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AI Unlocks $5 Billion in Hidden Green Funding Your Business Could Be Tapping Into
Tue, 06 May 2025
In this episode of Lead with AI, Dr. Tamara Nall speaks with Dr. Anand Verma, founder and CEO of Expect AI, whose platform Una is solving a hidden crisis: 330 million small businesses contribute half of global emissions yet lack access to climate resources. Verma reveals how Una creates instant carbon profiles from public data alone, connecting businesses to billions in untapped green subsidies and turning a six-month application process into just six minutes. A machine learning pioneer before AI was fashionable, Verma predicts Expect AI will generate $40 billion in savings by 2030 while cutting 500 megatons of emissions. The conversation explores how Una's "climate knowledge graph" builds a neural network of business relationships and opportunities that small companies never knew existed. For immediate results, Verma invites listeners to simply type their company name into Una to discover how AI can simultaneously boost their profits and climate impact without requiring any technical expertise.
Chapter 1: What is the vision behind Expect AI?
If you care about the planet, believe in tech that serves people and want to see what real impact looks like when AI meets intent, This episode's for you. Let's dive into the mind of a founder who's using AI to build a better future for businesses and the earth. Let's get into it. Welcome to Lead with AI. I'm Dr. Tamara Nall.
In each episode, we will take you behind the scenes with the visionary leaders shaping the future of AI across public and private sectors. Join us as we explore groundbreaking projects and innovations that are transforming industries and making a real impact on people's lives. Let's dive in. Hi, everyone. My name is Dr. Tamara Nall. I am your host with the Lead with AI podcast.
And I'm so excited today to have Anon Verma from Expect AI. Welcome, Anon. How are you?
I'm great. Great to be here, Dr. Tamara. Really appreciate it.
Absolutely. Absolutely. So tell us a little bit about you.
All right. So it's a long story, but I'll cut it short. So my name is Dr. Anand Burma. I'm the founder and CEO of Expect AI. And our mission is to help small to mid-sized businesses reduce their emissions, but increase their profitability. So we call that profitable climate action. I've been a computer scientist in the past doing machine learning when AI was not that popular.
But I feel that AI has come at the right time to help my customers and the small businesses be successful.
Amazing. So you're a pioneer. So you were there before it was there.
I, you know, I think the same, right? It's, you know, sometimes it takes time to become democratized. And I feel that, you know, that this is truly in the hands of real people and people who are not technical, but using AI to kind of truly transform their business and personal lives.
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Chapter 2: How does Expect AI help small businesses?
Yes. Yep.
On our platform, we've got SME profile on our platform that is created off the bat from publicly available data. Right. Oh, wow. Wow. That is wow. So that's my kind of big kind of punch in line here to say that, you know, this is, this is, this is cool. And I'm hoping that adaptive carbon profile becomes a standard. three years, four years time.
So any company looking for any company, they go to Oona, they type the company name and it's there, boom.
Right. It's like they know that they've gone through and you set the standard in terms of their carbon footprint. Okay, I love that.
That's cool.
I love that. So tell us about a customer experience where they used the platform and had results. They were like, oh my God, this is like really happening. Give us the best example you can about it.
So think of Oona as like a neural engine. with climate and business intelligence. So today, tomorrow, there is climate intelligence, and then there's business intelligence. So we see a white space where Oona can bring a role, play a role in bringing those two things together, right?
So what we have done is we have made it as easy as typing your company name into a Google-like search, and then it creates a profile for you. So like I said, it's adaptive carbon profile. Now, that adaptive carbon profile is built with world's first climate knowledge graph, right? And why do we say knowledge? Because knowledge drives insights and insights drive actions.
And the knowledge graph is basically a neural network of relationships and opportunities. So let's say, you know, tomorrow PLC or Inc. is a company searching for itself on the platform. We're able to actually connect you with opportunities and connect you with what you should be doing, right?
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Chapter 3: What are the benefits of the AI platform Oona?
Now, what we have done is we have gathered and ingested all that subsidy data into easy to use so that SMA can say, hey, I'm looking for this particular subsidy. And then the agent does all the work, all the nine steps. And what used to take six months now takes six minutes for that company to get that delivered into the bottom line.
so our goal is to create a new balance sheet for the companies can ai help smes double their profit and double their impact that's our thesis we're still early in that process but i truly believe that we can make them more profitable more productive and more sustainable so our experience has to be jaw-droppingly amazing Yes.
From searching a company to following the agents to making sure that they're notified when something happens is for us is really, really important part of our offering to our customers.
That's amazing. So let's go under the hood a little bit. Let's go into the brain of the platform. What if I'm a new business and I don't have really a social media or digital or electronic footprint? Is there a certain sweet spot in terms of how many years, the type of presence I have out there? Talk to us a little bit about that.
Yeah, it's a really good question. So I think our thesis is that if I'm an existing business, I have my digital estate and I can go and find stuff about me. But if I'm a new business, what we do is if there is no data, then we create what we call is a proxy data. So what are the companies like you?
out there so that we create a profile for you and we give it a confidence score and that confidence score may be very low but the idea is to get you to start ingesting your private data right so that engagement that relationship that trust is super critical for us to build a longevity in our platform right so we don't discount anyone We want to be an inclusive company.
And climate is one of those things you have to work together, right? This is not like, hey, Alan Verma has solved the problem. That's not the intent here. Intent here is to find this systemic change contributors that enables that newbie to feel that they can also contribute, right? And that's really important part of it.
Yeah, I love that. And so you put in, let's say, so one of my companies is the leading niche. You can put that in. And then do I need to put in that I'm in California or New York or?
Exactly, exactly. So we capture, capture. So think of this as a kind of a mind map of your company, right? So I know your company will be in the center. your location will pop out. Then your industry sector will pop out. Then how many employees pops out, how much your revenue pops out, you know, on so on and so forth. So we build this neural network, right?
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Chapter 4: What is the 'Holy Smokes' moment for users?
Now it's become a muscle memory, but back in the day, they'll give you a 60%, 70%, 80% profile completeness score. So we are following a similar psychological path, right? So, but in our case, 60% is already there from the public data. So adding the rest 10, 15, 20% over the period to come is where we kind of get a lot of private data from our customers.
Okay. Now, as you think about the development of the platform, what are the ethical lines that you're watching and how do you protect the human and privacy in all of this?
It's a really, really good question. And I think with AI, there's a huge amount of debate on how do you kind of look at that line of ethics versus plagiarism or copyright, for example. So I think two things kind of keeps me awake all the time. One is transparency. And then second is the autonomy, right? So every data that we collect,
we show the source of where did the data actually originate from. That's the first thing we do. And the data provenance is, and the traceability and auditability is very core to our heart because climate and finance especially is an auditable asset, right?
So we want to make sure that the accountants in the financial services organization can look at our data and say, we believe in the source of this data, which means that this is auditable, right? So that's one component. The second thing, which is I think a lot of debate out there, but I really believe that human in the loop is really important.
So I might not have all the employees in my organization, but with AI and I'm in the loop, I feel more confident that jobs will get done the way I want it, right? And that's really important, right? So all in all, we feel that, you know, ensuring that AI augments the human agency is really core part of our thesis. AI should not replace humans, it should augment humans, right?
So I think that's been fundamentally the core part of our manifesto of our technical design. And we make sure that we always look back and say, are we crossing the line or are we within our manifesto thesis?
Okay, I love that. So now let's think futuristic. Let's fast forward to 2030. What does the future powered by Expect AI feel like to the everyday small business?
You know, like an entrepreneur, this is my third venture. And I think, you know, my first one, my tagline was make life simply better. Right. And I feel that, you know, the future has to be about better planet.
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Chapter 5: How can businesses leverage green subsidies?
Yes. Now, so make us believers. If I'm listening to your podcast, and there are going to be plenty of people listening to this podcast and this discussion, what can I do this week? Talk to me. What should I do this week?
Yeah, I think, look, you know, end of the day, some actions will be easier and some will be harder. So we call it, you know, more kind of changing in your policy or your kind of soft action. But a lot of actions require capex, right? They require investment, putting a solar panel on your warehouse roof or, you know, putting better energy efficient light bulbs and so on and so forth.
Every little counts, right? That's the kind of first thing you've got to think about. But a lot of companies don't know where to start, how to start, what improvement they can make and so on and so forth.
I really urge the listeners of this wonderful podcast to put their company name in or put one of the suppliers in and say, you know what, I'm just going to, I'm curious to find out what improvements I can make for this company or my company and so on and so forth. I really would love for you to try and see the magic happen. That will be my urge.
And, you know, I can talk till the cows come home, as they say in England. But end of the day, showing is believing. I think that's where I believe that it's all about every little action.
every recommendation, every action, and just seeing your data kind of play the role of your mirror and telling you and guiding you in terms of what you should do is the best way of getting the audience to believe in this.
Got it. So how does that happen? Where do we find you?
Yeah, so look for expectai.com. It's very easy. Oona is a platform, so you'll be able to see the access. If you want to look at the demo for, you know, let's say your country is not covered on the platform, you can ask. Contact me at anand.expectai.com, and we'll make it happen, right? And, you know, but I think expectai.com is the perfect place to go and start your journey on Oona.
And which countries are you in right now?
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Chapter 6: How does the platform ensure data accuracy?
So that's why I'm quite excited about what Africa can do, not just because my wife is from there, but also I believe that AI presents the true opportunity for African youth and the leaders.
Right. No, I absolutely agree. I love Africa as well. I actually my husband is Nigerian and also I lived in Nigeria way before I met him for some work that we did for a bank there. And I've traveled throughout Africa. So the potential, like you said, is amazing. The talent that we have there and like you said, a very youthful population. So that's amazing.
Now let's move to what we call from one genius to another. So our last guest has a question for you. And that question is, how do you think about the risk of fake content and data privacy, especially as parents upload images of their children to AI tools that store data in the cloud?
You know, I've got two kids, 18-year-old son and 14-year-old daughter. And I have to say, I worry about my daughter more than my son because of you know, the nature of content that is available out there, especially in social media and other places. And it's a fine balance between, you know, stopping it and also trusting, you know, the internet.
I feel, you know, I really believe trust is everything, right? And I really believe there's big tech companies have to put that at the core of their agenda. And government and the tech companies can do more on this. But also, I have the responsibility and we have the responsibility to make sure that it's embedded in the system, embedded in our culture and value.
And one of our core values, I've got five values behind me, and one of them says, you know, act with integrity, right?
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Chapter 7: What ethical considerations are involved in using AI?
Yeah, right behind you.
Right behind me. And the reason I always put that this is that culture of the company is defined by the values. And and I think every company must have those values in my view. Right. So, you know, I think we need to make sure that we don't touch personal data. It's really important for us. But company data is a different you know, it's for more value creation.
The data is verifiable and auditable. It's really important for us. And we need to make sure that we focus on why do we exist as a company? And it's about real outcomes for the business, right? So I think as long as it's grounded on trust, especially dealing with business critical information, I think that... I believe will overcome the fake content and data privacy issue. But I do fear, right?
I mean, you know, I can't just leave this podcast saying that, hey, everything is great and blah, blah, blah. But I do fear for what AI can generate and will generate. And, you know, how real it's becoming with all of these image and video tools. But I do think the responsibility lies with the company and the regulators.
And it's very important because I think about as a parent, I think about my daughter and I would not do anything in my company to hamper or hurt that community. So why can't everybody else feel and, and, and do the same. Right. So, so yeah, it's a, it's a real, it's a real kind of, I think it's a trust and culture topic. Dr. Tomorrow. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I love that. And I love the fact that you said start from within, like start with yourself and your business and myself and my business. And then I love the fact that you can think about someone that is dear to you and to your heart and build it with that person in mind and protecting that person.
Exactly, exactly. And everybody has someone dear to them, right? Mother, sister, father, brother. And then I think sometimes, you know, lose track because There's so much commercial pressure to compete that we lose track of what matters and what doesn't, right?
So anyway, it's a bit of a heart and brain kind of conversation, but I believe we need both to create a better outcome for our next generation.
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