Yoshua Bengio: Deep Learning
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Who is Yoshua Bengio and what are his contributions to deep learning?
Welcome to the Artificial Intelligence Podcast. My name is Lex Friedman. I'm a research scientist at MIT. If you enjoy this podcast, please rate it on iTunes or your podcast provider of choice, or simply connect with me on Twitter and other social networks at Lex Friedman, spelled F-R-I-D. Today is a conversation with Yoshio Bengio. Along with Jeff Hinton and Yann LeCun, he's considered one of the three people most responsible for the advancement of deep learning during the 1990s and the 2000s and now. Cited 139,000 times, he has been integral to some of the biggest breakthroughs in AI over the past three decades.
What difference between biological neural networks and artificial neural networks is most mysterious, captivating, and profound for you?
First of all, there's so much we don't know about biological neural networks. And that's very mysterious and captivating because maybe it holds the key to improving artificial neural networks. One of the things I studied... recently, something that we don't know how biological neural networks do, but would be really useful for artificial ones, is the ability to do credit assignment through very long time spans. There are things that we can in principle do with artificial neural nets, but it's not very convenient and it's not biologically plausible. And this mismatch, I think, this kind of mismatch may be an interesting thing to study to, A, understand better how brains might do these things, because we don't have good corresponding theories with artificial neural nets, and B,
maybe provide new ideas that we could explore about things that brain do differently and that we could incorporate in artificial neural nets.
So let's break credit assignment up a little bit. It's a beautifully technical term, but it could incorporate so many things. So is it more on the RNN memory side, thinking like that, or is it something about knowledge, building up common sense knowledge over time, or is it more in the reinforcement learning sense that you're picking up rewards over time for a particular, to achieve a certain kind of goal?
I was thinking more about the first two meanings whereby we store all kinds of memories, episodic memories in our brain, which we can access later in order to help us both infer causes of things that we are observing now. and assign credit to decisions or interpretations we came up with a while ago when you know, those memories were stored. And then we can change the way we would have reacted or interpreted things in the past. And now that's credit assignment used for learning.
So in which way do you think artificial neural networks, the current LSTM, the current architectures are not able to capture the presumably you're thinking of very long term?
Yes. So current nets are doing a fairly good jobs for sequences with dozens or say hundreds of time steps. And then it gets sort of harder and harder. And depending on what you have to remember, and so on, as you consider longer durations, whereas humans seem to be able to do credit assignment through essentially arbitrary times, like I could remember something I did last year. And now because I see some new evidence, I'm going to change my mind about the way I was thinking last year, and hopefully not do the same mistake again.
I think a big part of that is probably forgetting, you're only remembering the really important things. So it's very efficient forgetting.
Yes, so there's a selection of what we remember. And I think there are really cool connection to higher level cognition here regarding consciousness, deciding and emotions like so those deciding what comes to consciousness and what gets stored in memory, which which are not trivial either.
So you've been at the forefront there all along showing some of the amazing things that neural networks, deep neural networks can do in the field of artificial intelligence is just broadly in all kinds of applications. But we can talk about that forever. But what in your view, because we're thinking towards the future, is the weakest aspect of the way deep neural networks represent the world?
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Chapters
4 chapters
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Who is Yoshua Bengio and what are his contributions to deep learning?
0:00–9:38
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What are the differences between biological and artificial neural networks?
9:38–17:55
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How can credit assignment in neural networks be improved?
17:55–36:11
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What are the limitations of current deep learning architectures?
36:11–42:56
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