LOVE MURDER

Drugs, Sex and Murder: The Lethal Love Triangle of Regina Hartwell, Kim LeBlanc and Justin Thomas

15 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It was love at first sight for Regina Hartwell when she meets 18-year old Kim LeBlanc in 1994. A relationship ensues but it becomes clear that the pas...

Cold Case Justice As Husband Arrested 35 Years After His Wife Was Found Dead In Her Trunk

10 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this week's Current Affairs, Jessie and Andie provide an update on the murder of influencer and model Abby Choi, as well as dive into not one but t...

The Controlling Creep: Tom Capano and the Murder of Anne Marie Fahey

08 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

When a beautiful, ambitious young woman goes missing, the authorities look into her relationship with a politically-connected attorney who is known as...

The Shocking Murder and Dismemberment of Hong Kong Model Abby Choi

02 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

The murder of Hong Kong influencer and model Abby Choi has captured the world's attention, both for the disturbing details of the crime as well as for...

Tragic Teenage Triangle: The Horrific Murder of Laurie Show

01 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

A compassionate and kind high school junior is the target of a jealousy-induced campaign of bullying and violence. after she briefly dated the wrong b...

Introducing COLD: The Search for Sheree

28 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Sheree Warren left her job in Salt Lake City on a mild October evening in 1985. She told a coworker she was headed to meet her estranged husband, Char...

Could This Polish Woman Actually Be Madeleine McCann? [Current Affairs]

24 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this week's Current Affairs, Jessie and Andie cover the latest update in the story of Madeleine McCann, the British girl who was abducted at the ag...

Astronaut Love Triangle: Dirty Diapers and the Interplanetary Fall from Grace of Lisa Nowak

22 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

A high achieving astronaut becomes a media sensation when she makes a bizarre journey to attack her romantic rival. This week's episode is the famous ...

Suspect in Shocking Dismemberment Murder Attacks Her Attorney in Court [Current Affairs]

17 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this week's Current Affairs, Andie provides an update on the case of the California doctor who drove his family off a cliff, only for them to survi...

The Young and the Murderous: Elizabeth Haysom and Jens Soering

15 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

A young couple's passionate love affair results in a brutal double murder. Justice takes a windy path rife with shocking allegations, young love gone ...

BONUS: My Bloody Valentine, Part 2

12 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Happy Valentine's Day again, Lovers! Today is part 2 of this special Valentine's Day bonus episode. It's hosted by Shane Waters from Foul Play: Crime ...

BONUS: My Bloody Valentine, Part 1

11 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Happy Valentine's Day, Lovers! Today we have a special Valentine's Day bonus episode, hosted by Shane Waters from Foul Play: Crime Series and featurin...

Doppelgänger Dalliances: Interpol Murder Suspect Viktoria Nasyrova on Trial for Attempted Murder in NYC [Current Affairs]

10 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On today's edition of Current Affairs, two stories of murder/attempted murder based on identity theft. First, Andie covers news out of Germany in the ...

A Brotherly Bookie Murder Mystery: Doris, Robert and Roger Angleton

08 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

When a Houston mother of 2 is gunned down in her own home, the investigation leads detectives down a twisted road of illegal activity, online affairs,...

Father and Husband Arrested for Attempted Murder of His Family After Driving Tesla Off a 250 Foot California Cliff [Current Affairs]

03 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On January 2nd, a rescue team pulled two adults and two children out of a Tesla that had driven off a 250 cliff on California's infamous Devil's Slide...

Hell Hath No Fury: The Disappearance of Heather Elvis

01 Feb 2023

Contributed by Lukas

When a promising 20 year-old woman goes missing, fingers are pointed at her older co-worker/lover and his jealous wife. Sources: Missing...and Presum...

Catfish Turns Killer: The Murder of Kayla Kelley [Current Affairs]

27 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this week's Current Affairs, Jessie and Andie tell the story of Kayla Kelley, a Texas woman who was murdered by her boyfriend after discovering tha...

Rodeo Queen Killer Rhonda Glover and the Murder of Jimmy Joste

25 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

When wealthy Texas oilman Jimmy Joste met a young rodeo beauty queen named Rhonda Glover, sparks flew. One child and 15 years down the road, however, ...

Michael Haight Was Investigated for Abuse 2 Years Before Family Slaying in Utah (Plus Brian Walshe Arrest Update) [Current Affairs]

19 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this episode of Current Affairs, Jessie and Andie discuss: The latest updates from the arraignment of Brian Walshe for the murder of his wife Ana ...

Cold-Blooded Betrayal: Rob and Maria Marshall

18 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

When one half of a respected New Jersey couple is shot dead on their way home from Atlantic City, the police have to wade through shocking secrets and...

BREAKING: Brian Walshe Arrested for Murder of Wife Ana Walshe [Current Affairs]

17 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On Tuesday January 17th, the Norfolk District Attorney announced an arrest warrant for Brian Walshe for the murder of his wife Ana Walshe, who disappe...

Bloody Knife Found in Ana Walshe Disappearance [Current Affairs]

12 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On January 1st, Boston mother and real estate executive Ana Walshe took an emergency flight to Washington D.C. Except she never made it to the plane. ...

A Love Triangle Turns Tragic in Florida: Heather Strong, Josh Fulgham and Emilia Carr

11 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

A couple's turbulent relationship is only heightened when it becomes a love triangle, and then a love quadrangle? Jealousy, betrayal and lust abound u...

Asphyxiation and Axe-Murder: 2 Doctors and 2 Deaths in Small-Town America

04 Jan 2023

Contributed by Lukas

When a 3-day-old baby stops breathing and is rushed to the hospital, his parents believe he is in good hands. Instead, the on-call pediatrician's cont...

A Secret Serial Killer? Raoul Guy Muldavin Rockwell and the Mystery of the Lady of the Dunes

28 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a newlywed declares her charming new husband missing, the authorities soon find out that they are hunting a conman who may indeed be a murderer a...

The Christmas Eve Murders of the Goldmark Family

21 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The slaughter of a loving and well-respected family on Christmas Eve 1985 mystifies authorities as to why? When the answer arrives, it is senseless, d...

The Cold-Hearted Christmas Killer

14 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

On Christmas morning 1977, 31 year old Jerry Davies pulled his Chevrolet into a spot outside of the Madison, Wisconsin police station. He shuddered as...

Obsessive "Love": The Toxic Marriage of Michelle and Jonathan Nyce

07 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When one half of a May-December marriage ends up dead in an SUV in a freezing creek, authorities investigate whether the death was simply a car accide...

Ultimate Betrayal: The Murder Mystery of Mike Williams

30 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a devoted husband and father disappears while duck hunting, it is presumed that he died in a tragic accident. When the truth is finally revealed ...

Deadly Deception: The Murder of Janet March

23 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The search for a vibrant artist and mother of two leads authorities all the way to Mexico from Nashville, Tennessee. It is fraught with dark secrets, ...

INTERVIEW: Ruth Markel, Author of "The Unveiling: A Mother's Reflection on Murder, Grief, and Trial Life"

22 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In 2014, Ruth Markel experienced just about the worst thing any mother can when she learned that her son Dan had been murdered. It would become even w...

Evil In-Laws: The Murder of Dan Markel

16 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

After a renowned scholar and law professor is shot to death in his driveway, investigators scramble to put the pieces together to reveal a web of dece...

Murderous Intentions: Mike and Dalia Dippolito

09 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A convincing conwoman will stop at nothing to cheat, swindle and kill her husband of only 6 months, but in the end, the villain gets a surprise from t...

The “Good” Nurse: Prolific Serial Killer Charles Cullen

02 Nov 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A disturbed nurse goes on a killing spree spanning 16 years and 10 hospitals. As the body count rises to unfathomable numbers, one brave nurse and col...

The Greenbrier Ghost and the Murder of Zona Heaster Shue

26 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

This week's episode covers the murder of Zona Heaster Shue - the only time in United States history that a ghost's testimony was used to convict a mur...

The Malevolent Ménage à Trois: The Murders of Edwin and Wilma Hoyt

19 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A steamy affair leads ultimately to the double homicide of innocent victims who were the collateral damage of love gone terribly wrong. This Week's Sh...

Current Affairs #2: The Serial Killer Nurse and Mimi Erotic

15 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

On this episode of Current Affairs: An update on Adnan Syed as the Maryland Prosecutor decides not to pursue a new case A neonatal nurse Lucy Letby i...

Dark Deeds and Depravities: The Murder of Kathryn Martini Lissy

12 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a successful young Yale graduate is found murdered in her hotel room, the detectives have to go to great lengths to uncover a web of diabolical d...

Lethal Love Quadrangle: The Cold-Blooded Murder of Rozanne Gailiunas

05 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a lovely mother is murdered in her home, the police look to her love life to find the killer. What follows is a mind-blowing story of lust, love,...

Demons Made Me Do It: The Murder of Rusty Sneiderman

28 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a respected father of 2 is gunned down in his son's preschool parking lot, a community is outraged. Looking for answers, the investigators reveal...

Current Affairs #1: A Refresher as Adnan Syed's Murder Conviction is Overturned

23 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

This week a Maryland judge overturned the conviction of Adnan Syed, who has been in jail for more than 20 years for murdering his ex-girlfriend Hae Mi...

Cruel Control in North Carolina: Nancy and Brad Cooper

21 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a beloved mother of 2 goes missing after going out for a morning jog, suspicion is cast on her soon-to-be ex-husband and secret suburban infideli...

The Brutal Murder of Mary Ellen Coriell and the Execution of Bridget Deignan

14 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A Ye Olde Love Murder and execution with personal ties to our co-host ends up turning into quite the modern murder mystery and puzzling whodunnit. Thi...

A Poisoned Soul: Angelina and Frank Rodriguez

07 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a man dies at home with no evidence of foul play and no discernible cause, the coroner labels it a medical mystery. But the man's greedy widow in...

Charmed to Death: Randy Roth and His Wives Janis Miranda and Cynthia Baumgartner

31 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A serial charmer has a deadly secret that his multiple wives only discover much too late.  This Week's Episode Brought To You By: Bambee - Put your H...

Deadly Drinking and Double Homicide: The Needless Deaths of Art Venecia and Bessie Fischer

24 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A down-on-her-luck alcoholic IHOP employee gets too involved in her boss' toxic relationship and the outcome is not one but two horrible homicides.  ...

The Spousal Serial Killer: John David Smith, Janice Hartman, Fran Gladden-Smith

17 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A missing woman's family's tireless crusade to find their loved one helps to uncover another murder and solve a more-than 20-year mystery. This Week's...

Murder Vet Wendi Davidson and Her Hero Husband Michael Severance

10 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

One night of passion leads to an unplanned pregnancy, a shotgun marriage and a fatal outcome for one member of the young couple. This Week's Show Is B...

An Interview with Dr. Jan Canty - Author of "A Life Divided"

04 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

On today's special episode, Jessie and Andie are joined by Dr. Jan Canty PhD. Dr. Canty is the author of "A Life Divided: A Psychologist's Memoir Abou...

Death and Deceit in Detroit: Alan Canty, Dawn Spens, John "Lucky" Fry

03 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a prominent psychologist takes a walk on the wild side, he gets in too deep with a teenage sex worker and her pimp boyfriend, leading to a fatal ...

The Pastor's Wife: Matthew and Mary Winkler

27 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A picture perfect relationship between a pastor and his wife is revealed to have had dark secrets when someone ends up murdered. This Week's Show Is B...

INTERVIEW: Matt Birkbeck, Executive Producer of Netflix’s “Girl in the Picture” and Author of “A Beautiful Child” and “Finding Sharon”

22 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

On a special interview episode, Jessie and Andie are joined by Matt Birkbeck, investigative journalist and author of "A Beautiful Child" and "Finding ...

Horse Racing, Models and Mayhem: A Fatal Love Triangle on the Upper East Side

20 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A wild cast of glamorous characters and a toxic love triangle lead to a brutal homicide in 1970s Manhattan. This Week's Show Is Brought To You By: Dam...

A Tale of 3 Murders: The Cop, The Teacher, and The Assassin

13 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a series of violent threats and mysterious assaults culminate in the murder of Kay Weden's mother, police have to question why all of the people ...

Franklin Delano Floyd and the Tragic Life of Sharon Marshall [Re-Release]

08 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A hit and run accident reveals diabolical crimes and terrifying secrets that would take decades to unravel. At the heart of it all is the question of ...

The “Unlucky” Widow and the Untimely Deaths of Ed Dossett and David Leath

06 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A Tennessee community is shaken when one of their most respected citizens seems to have a hard time keeping her husbands alive. When unlikely coincide...

Introducing: Let's Change Beauty with Jess Weiner

04 Jul 2022

Contributed by Lukas

We would love to introduce you to "Let's Change Beauty" - a podcast powered by the Dove Self-Esteem Project. Let’s Change Beauty features intimate c...

Depravity and Deceit: Kosta Fotopolous, Lisa Fotopolous and Deirdre Hunt

29 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a teenage burglar shoots a woman in cold blood, in her own bed, he pays the ultimate price. The investigation seems open and shut until the detec...

Secrets, Lies and Horse Tranquilizer: The Toxic Marriage of Larry and Elisa McNabney

22 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A toxic marriage leads to the disappearance of one of the spouses. When a body is found months later, a manhunt across the United States takes place t...

The "Caring Husband" Con Man: James Keown and Julie Oldag Keown

15 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A horrific crime against a loved one is slowly uncovered, eventually leading to a very public arrest for the evildoer.  This Week's Show Is Brought T...

Targeting the Most Vulnerable: Serial Killer Couple Cathy Wood and Gwendolyn Graham

08 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a toxic relationship between co-workers goes off the rails, the evil lovers prey on the most vulnerable population, with devastating consequences...

2 Murdered Wives and a 15 Year Fight for Justice

01 Jun 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Today we follow one heroic Australian detective's 15-year quest to deliver justice for the families of two women who lost their lives at the hands of ...

Decadence, Deceit and Death: An Aristocratic Murder on the French Riviera

25 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Our 100th episode features everything you've come to expect from Love Murder: badly behaving aristocrats, wealth beyond belief, scandalous sex acts, a...

Introducing Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime

19 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

We would love to tell you about a new show that we're obsessed with. It's called Dirty Money Moves with host Jami Rice. You may know Jami from her oth...

That Girl is Poison: Lynn Turner, Glenn Turner and Randy Thompson

18 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

After a charming 911 operator mysteriously loses 2 husbands to the same so-called "natural causes" within only a few years, friends and family of the ...

Driven by Greed: A Manhattan Murder

11 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When one member of a soon-to-be-divorced couple is found deceased - seemingly of a tragic accident - suspicion is cast on their former partner. It wou...

The "Psychic" Psycho Serial Killer: Tillie Klimek

04 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A woman in early 1900's Chicago demonstrates an incredible psychic gift that allows her to predict the deaths of her many husbands with chilling accur...

A Hollywood Homicide: Robert Blake and Bonny Lee Bakley

27 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A toxic marriage between a celebrity and his entrepreneurial wife leads to devastating consequences and a true Hollywood Homicide. Key players: Robert...

Introducing: Real Life Real Crime

22 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

We would love to introduce you to Woody Overton's podcast, Real Life Real Crime. Woody Overton is a former sheriff’s office detective and on the pod...

Cold Karma: A Double Murder in Orange County

20 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a married pair of well-respected Orange County doctors are found shot to death in their car, the police struggle to find a motive for the sensele...

Killing for Love: Sam Herr and Juri "Julie" Kibuishi

13 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a beautiful young woman is discovered murdered in a military veteran'sapartment, a manhunt to find the armed and deadly young man leads to a shoc...

Manacled Mormons and Media Sensations: The Madness of Joyce McKinney

05 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Obsessive love takes a bizarre turn in this wild tale of abduction, cloned puppies, and a mass tabloid sensation. The story was even documented by leg...

Fame, Muscles and Murder: Craig Titus, Kelly Ryan and Melissa James

30 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Bodybuilding...or body bags? When a volunteer firefighter encounters a burning Jaguar in the desert, he makes a horrifying discovery that sends author...

3000 Ft. Freefall: The Parachute Murder Plot

23 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a woman's parachute fails to open and she plummets 3000 feet to the ground, suspicion is cast on the one person who swore to love and protect her...

The Mysterious Motorcycle Murder of Jeff Zack

16 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When an Ohio father is shockingly gunned down by a mysterious motorcyclist, the police discover that the middle-aged midwesterner had a whole walk-in-...

The Bootleg King's Murderous Love Triangle

09 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A bootlegger king's love triangle leads to mayhem and murder in the (ironically) hedonistic prohibition era. This Week's Show Is Brought To You By: Ri...

Nightmare in North Dakota: The Murder of Angila Wilder

02 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When something horrible happens to a hardworking mother of 3 one cold dark November night, the police need to look closely at those who loved her - an...

Swingers, Military Men and Murder: Michelle & Marty Theer

23 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A perfect-on-paper couple's secrets are revealed after one spouse is gunned down only days before Christmas. This Week's Show Is Brought To You By: Pr...

The Birth of Neuroscience in the Courtroom: An Interview with "Full Frontal Murder Memoir" author Joni West

17 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a woman plummets to her death after falling 12 stories from the window of a luxury high-rise in Manhattan's Upper East Side, suspicion is cast up...

12 Stories Down: The Terrifying Manhattan Murder that Changed the Legal System Forever

16 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a woman plummets to her death after falling 12 stories from the window of a luxury high-rise in Manhattan's Upper East Side, suspicion is cast up...

Sex, Drugs and a Body in the Basement of a Haunted House

09 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When police respond to a domestic disturbance call at a very old and seemingly very haunted Louisville mansion, they never would have suspected that t...

Revenge for Leaving: The Tragic Murder of Sheila Bellush

02 Feb 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A woman escapes an abusive marriage and finds herself happy with a new family and bright, beautiful life until tragedy strikes. This Week's Show Is Br...

An Alaskan Exotic Dancer, Her Three Fiancés, and One Murder

26 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a suburban PTA mom is arrested for a decade-old murder, her community is stunned to discover her scandalous past. This Week's Show Is Brought To ...

Introducing: Black Girl Gone

20 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

We would love to introduce you to Black Girl Gone a true-crime podcast that tells the stories of missing and murdered Black women and women of color i...

Toxic Love: A Legacy of Murder (Chaz Higgs & Kathy Augustine)

19 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a controversial politician mysteriously stops breathing, suspicion falls on her nurse husband. Questions begin to get raised about her previous h...

The Las Vegas "Black Widow" Margaret Rudin

12 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

A fifth wedding for both bride and groom proves not to be the charm when one of them goes missing and ends up dead. What ensues is a wild flee from ju...

Deadly Deception: Mark & Lori Hacking

05 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

When a pregnant woman disappears while jogging in the park, the public fears an abduction by a stranger. The police, however, focus on someone closer ...

Murderous Mastermind or Wrongfully Convicted? The Wild Escape of Sarah Pender

29 Dec 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Tensions between roommates explode into violence, leaving one young couple murdered. What ensues includes a tense trial, a prison break, and the destr...

Holiday Horror: The Twisted Tale of One of America’s First Celebrity Serial Killers

22 Dec 2021

Contributed by Lukas

The Christmastime disappearance of a woman in 1902 leads to the discovery of the most dastardly of villains - a turn of the century serial killer. Tun...

Dark Fantasies & Death: The Murder of Lizzi Marriott

15 Dec 2021

Contributed by Lukas

When a teenage girl gets a part in a community theater play, she crosses paths with a much older actor who slowly draws her into a fantasy world of ro...

A Shocking Truth: Donnah Winger & Roger Harrington

08 Dec 2021

Contributed by Lukas

When a loving husband defends his family against an unknown intruder, the results are deadly. The case is quickly closed but when a mystery witness co...

Millions of Reasons for Murder

01 Dec 2021

Contributed by Lukas

When a multimillionaire is shot dead in his home, suspicion is cast upon a vengeful ex-business partner, a very close family member, and the victim's ...

The Thanksgiving Disappearance of Kelsey Berreth

24 Nov 2021

Contributed by Lukas

When a beloved young mother vanishes on Thanksgiving day, the authorities rush to find out her last movements, and who might have benefited from her a...

Introducing: Crime Salad

19 Nov 2021

Contributed by Lukas

We would love to introduce you to Crime Salad: A True Crime Podcast. Each week, Ashley and Ricky dive in and investigate sudden disappearances, myster...

A Death in the House of Gucci

17 Nov 2021

Contributed by Lukas

This is the story of the rise of famous fashion house Gucci and the family squabbles, disastrous divorces and murderous jealousies that almost caused ...

Drugs, Adultery and Death: Kristin Rossum and Greg de Villers

10 Nov 2021

Contributed by Lukas

When a troubled young woman meets her knight in shining armor, both of their families hope for a happy ending from a fairy tale. Instead, their union ...

The Main Line Murder: Craig and Stefanie Rabinowitz

03 Nov 2021

Contributed by Lukas

When someone dies mysteriously at home in Philadelphia's moneyed Main Line, the detectives can't believe the low brow behavior they dig up on a suppos...

The Black Magic Widow Anjette Donovan Lyles

27 Oct 2021

Contributed by Lukas

When a restaurant owner dabbles in the dark arts, death seems to come to those she loves. But is she really cursed, or simply a killer? Tune in to fin...

Torture Mom Shelly Knotek

20 Oct 2021

Contributed by Lukas

From an early age, Shelly Knotek displayed signs of sadistic and psychotic behavior. Those she supposedly loved bore the greatest brunt of her abuse a...

The Lethal Legal Love Triangle

13 Oct 2021

Contributed by Lukas

When a fatal shooting happens only one day after a major celebration the police dig into the couples’ personal lives and are shocked at what they fi...