Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hi, and welcome to J.P. Morgan's Making Sense. I'm your host, Brady Leventhal, head of North America Foreign Exchange Sales for Hedge Funds. Today, we are going to be discussing our recent global macro conference, where we had nearly 300 clients registered in our new headquarters in New York City. This is our 10th annual global macro conference that J.P. Morgan has hosted.
With me today, I have Matthew Franklin Lyons, Head of Global Rates Trading and Fixed Income Financing, and Stephen Jeffries, Head of Currencies and Emerging Markets and FX Services Trading. Welcome, Matt and Steve. Hi, Brady. Thanks for having us.
So we were all on a panel together called Risk and Reward Live from the Trading Floor, where we tried to shed some light on our key risk views and opportunity sets for 2026. I made the joke on stage that people thought we were actually going to be live from the trading floor.
Chapter 2: What highlights were shared from J.P. Morgan's Global Macro Conference?
So I guess this is sort of our second chance to do that. So anyway, our timing was great. You know, we were emerging from the longest shutdown in U.S. government history. We've got a lot of data to come and definitely interesting questions on the Fed. So you both were kind enough to discuss your views on markets and opportunity sets on stage. I'd love to recap the highlights here today.
So Matt, can you kick us off and discuss the main drivers in your market? Sure. So this here is best summarized by examining either sides of the global yield curve steepener, which occurred across many currencies, but certainly dollar, euro, UK, Japan, call it between 50 and 100 bps front to back yield curve steepener.
And I think beneath the surface, there's some quite intuitive things happening. In the front end, of course, central banks delivered cuts from moderately restrictive policy rates down closer to what they believe to be neutral.
And then further out the curve, supply-demand mismatches and the shifting composition of the demand side for sovereign debt took different forms depending on the currency, but all kept long-end yields mostly unchanged or higher in yield. In the case of the U.S.,
Of course, we have the much-discussed shifting composition of buyers towards the private side, towards price-sensitive hands, towards levered hands. And that's accompanied by really significant issuance, $2 trillion in net terms, which is relevant for financing, but then in gross terms, $3 trillion or more. And those numbers are all going up.
In gross terms, they're going up from $2.5 to $3.5 and above that in the years ahead. But again, as I said, there's something occurring in similar form in each currency. So in Europe, there's the Dutch pension story. In Japan, of course, there's a significant Spiderman mismatch in the long end, increasing issuance. So every currency has a question mark around
fiscal sustainability at a time when there is a shifting composition of the buyers of sovereign debt. And we think the interactions of those are what's driving this global move to higher yields, which is planning out really as we speak. So you put all these together, and this is the sort of global yield curve steepener that we're seeing.
Back end yields, belly yields higher, all while the front end is relatively well anchored due to central bank policy normalization. That's how we think about what happened this year, and that's the main factors which will continue to drive rates over the next year.
And we're particularly focused on this question mark around fiscally driven increases in supply paired with an unhealthy shift in the supply-demand balance for the demand side of sovereign debt. Thanks, Matt. And now, Steve, how are you framing your thought process for trading currencies?
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Chapter 3: What are the main drivers affecting global rates in 2026?
You know, we're still waiting for the meat of the tier one data from the shutdown. The clients I've spoken to were relatively constructive risk. And as such, you know, Steve, to your point, we're positioned in a long carry and low vol portfolio.
And then on the other side of that, I did speak to a smaller subset of clients that did feel that there is material risk that the Fed may not be easing further in 2026 and that Fed terminal will ultimately need to be repriced higher.
This is in conjunction with another takeaway from the conference that the administration is likely going to have to take on the cost of living as a major political issue. And we've already started to see some headlines coming from that. So just interesting to see if your conversations echoed that or you heard some other interesting tidbits. Sure, I'll have to take that first.
You summarized it well just now. There's a great deal of complacency around carry, particularly in focus on asset swaps in fixed income as part of the rates focus. And then also, I found there to be a disconnect between aggregate positioning and discussions around policy rates, meaning
The probability that global central banks were going to be able to cut significantly further relative to forward rates, most were skeptical, but that wasn't reflected in their position. I'll be more specific.
In the case of dollars, I think most were in agreement with our narrative that the market's pricing down two and below 3% was inconsistent with the data backdrop, inconsistent with the inflation backdrop. and yet most retained steepeners.
Similarly, on AssetSwap, people thought that the global carry backdrop was a bit overextended, and yet many retained AssetSwap longs in the belly and front end across multiple currencies. So that is an overall theme.
I felt that there was some disconnect between shifts in the underlying macro backdrop as it relates to carry shifts and the underlying macro backdrop as it relates to duration in the belly relative to aggregate positioning, which remains quite long and steepeners. Yeah, I mean, I think generally people, you know, see this time of year looking for the year ahead trade.
And generally what works next year is what's happened in the current year. And as I laid out, being in Frontier EM, being a local currency EM or higher carry in the G10FX space has worked. People were looking for continued opportunities of that. You know, I think that...
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Chapter 4: How is the demand for sovereign debt changing across different currencies?
The amount of supply that's going to come out of the AI boom, how that feeds into the other existing markets, like sort of board DM credit and then into EM. I think that, you know, can the market take down that amount of issuance for the investment that's needed? That's a big question mark. Great. Thank you. You still see then, Carrie, and select DMs for where you want to be for 2026?
Look, I do. I think the fundamentals in EM remain extremely robust. You've had a good number of elections in 2025 in LATAM that have trended towards the right wing and more market-friendly. Obviously, they won in Brazil in a year's time, which sparked a little bit of volatility just on Friday.
And then looking at the fiscal position of a lot of these EMs is dramatically different from the G10 space. Fair enough. All right, Matt, your risk versus award? Yeah, I mean, all of our comments at the macro conference focused on asset swaps and belly valuations. Specifically, the asset swaps were too rich, collateral too rich, and belly valuations both too rich.
And that reflects the entirety of this conversation around the changing supply-demand backdrop, together with the economic backdrop, together with the positioning backdrop, and valuations as an overlay. And all of that, to me, point to asset swaps in a vulnerable place, and then the landing zone of policy rates and red screens, blues, five-year rate, all of that also in a vulnerable place.
Perfect. Well, that's a wrap. Thank you so much, Matt and Steve, again, for your time and answers today. Thank you to our listeners for tuning in to another episode of Making Sense. If you liked this conversation, don't miss our Global Research Outlook podcast, where research analysts discuss what lies ahead for markets and the economy in 2026. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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