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Mamamia Out Loud

A LITTLE TREAT: SUBS TASTER — Jessie's Twins Update & What We Really Did Over The Holidays

22 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What updates does Jessie share about her pregnancy with twins?

0.47 - 21.271 Mia Freedman

You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Sometimes when I'm feeling like I've got a mum, I'm like, darling, what would you like me to order you from Uber Eats? Or what takeaway would you like me to pick? And they're like, mum, I can actually just do it. Stop trying to be a parent.

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21.691 - 23.253 Jessie Stephens

Mia, what did you do?

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23.733 - 49.68 Mia Freedman

I did nothing. I did nothing and nothing and nothing. And it was... You know how there's always people talk about that week between Christmas and New Year, you don't know what day it is and that it's just the most extraordinary feeling like going through a portal because for the rest of the year, there's no such luxury. I had that and that is because I deliberately had no arrangements beforehand.

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49.66 - 55.247 Mia Freedman

Because I realized that for me, rest is about social rest.

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Chapter 2: How did Mia and Jessie spend their holidays?

55.848 - 80.823 Mia Freedman

And it's also about diary rest. If I have to be somewhere, even if it's meeting a girlfriend for coffee or going out to dinner with friends or visiting my parents. That's just another thing. And I feel like I'm so overscheduled during my days that the only way I can properly relax is to just have that unspooling of time.

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80.843 - 84.748 Jessie Stephens

And you're such a homebody, like you're quite happy to just literally not leave the house.

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84.989 - 104.093 Mia Freedman

I don't think I did. Like there were times when it was like three or four days and I hadn't left the house. We used to go to Byron Bay every Christmas New Year at this time. And we stopped doing that a few years ago because our kids got to an age and the house we used to stay at sort of wasn't big enough anymore.

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104.233 - 115.746 Mia Freedman

And there were also like when Luna came along, like it's being somewhere near the beach or in Byron, it's so hot. You can't actually go to the beach much during the day. It's too hot and it's too burny.

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Chapter 3: What challenges did Jessie face during her holiday downtime?

115.726 - 136.591 Mia Freedman

And so it just stopped suiting our lifestyle. And so we sort of stopped doing that. And I just, I did a bit of travel last year. And also just after everything that happened in December with Bondi and everything, I really just needed some time to process. And I, again, I always have plans to do all these different things, don't I?

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136.611 - 154.305 Mia Freedman

And, you know, the people that I work with always call it holiday Mia because I'll always have ideas and projects. And again, I thought I was going to write this audio series. One of the things that I am doing, which I didn't talk about last week, is working on a new show, but not as talent like we're called here.

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154.285 - 176.319 Mia Freedman

But as a producer, so on Out Loud, the three of us hosts, we're also sort of producers, but we've got then a team of producers who are behind the scenes like Ruth and Sasha and other people on our team like Tess and people who do various things. But I've wanted to launch another show different to Out Loud for Gen X women. And I've been working on it for about nine months or so.

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176.339 - 179.743 Mia Freedman

And I've been working on it like from scratch.

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Chapter 4: What creative projects did Mia work on over the break?

179.803 - 199.463 Mia Freedman

It's been so incredibly rewarding creatively. So it's for Gen X Women Who Like to Laugh. It's called Unleashed. And there were various iterations of what it was going to be called. And I'll talk about it more on another subs episode. But so what I did over there, I needed a project, a creative project. And so what I did is I taught myself –

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199.443 - 220.628 Mia Freedman

I made the logo and then I made social and, you know, the actual designers that we work with and the social team are horrified because it was so – Mia goes to Canva. It was like, yeah, Mia, uh-oh. And then Eliza Rutliff, producer Eliza, who used to be our boss here on Out Loud, she messaged me and she said, it's holiday Mia, isn't it, unleashed? And I was like, yes, it's holiday Mia.

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220.648 - 231.408 Mia Freedman

And so I was making social. I was teaching myself how to edit things. I was making memes. And it's funny, everyone was trying not to be horrified by sort of how lo-fi they looked.

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Chapter 5: What new show is Mia launching for Gen X women?

231.448 - 240.988 Mia Freedman

But that's kind of the point. And I was just having the most fun, creative time. And I still am. So that show's going to launch in a couple of weeks. The cast.

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241.308 - 259.629 Jessie Stephens

What I'm like envious of, what's so good, is to just have something percolating. Like during a time of rest or like, you know, when you're at home or whatever, I love having something to meditate on. And I feel as though you've had something to meditate on for a long time to just play with. And when you feel like leaning in, you can.

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259.669 - 266.136 Jessie Stephens

But there's also, it's not been a thing of like demanding an enormous amount from you by Tuesdays.

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266.116 - 279.925 Mia Freedman

No, and no one was making me do it. There was no deadline. It was just purely I was just playing. It's like dress-ups but in Canva. So it's a little bit like herding chooks, this show, and I'm kind of like the chief chook.

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Chapter 6: What books and shows did Mia recommend from her holiday watchlist?

279.945 - 301.417 Mia Freedman

So I'm getting my producer on and it's, yeah, I'm enjoying being behind the scenes. Okay, so I want to just quickly talk about some of the things that we read and watched because you guys do your recos, but I want to tell you about some things that I watched and read and then interrupt me and tell me if you have heard of them. A few books. Have you heard of Cleopatra and Frankenstein?

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301.437 - 309.49 Jessie Stephens

Yes, incredible cover. It is Frankenstein. Frankenstein. I think you said Frankenstein like a Jewish person.

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309.51 - 310.531 Mia Freedman

Frankenstein.

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311.272 - 312.414 Jessie Stephens

Quite a famous dude.

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314.057 - 321.148 Mia Freedman

Goldstein.

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