Mark Madden
Episodes
03.16.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
16 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Today is the official start of the Free Agency period, and the Penguins really frustrated Mark yesterd...
03.15.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
15 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark continues to talk Steelers and their start to the NFL offseason and Free Agency. Stan Savran joins the sho...
03.15.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
15 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark talks about the Steelers rebuilding the roster even if they won't admit and touches on Trubisky spe...
03.15.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
15 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark talks about Mitch a Palooza and the Steelers signings on the offensive line last night and today....
03.14.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
15 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark continues to talk Trubisky to the Steelers and how the stooge media doesn't like the signing. Phil Bourque...
03.14.22 The Mark Madden Show HR2
15 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Mark talks about JUJU leaving in Free Agency, he also takes the time during New World Order to discuss his friend Scott ...
3.14.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
14 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue It's Mitch-A-Palooza! Mark talks about Mitch Trubisky to the Steelers and how he was....once again...r...
03.11.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
11 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Ask Mark Anything gets bumped up to make way for the hockey night show presented by our good friends at GetGo. ...
03.11.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
11 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark talks about the countdown being on to JUJU leaving town or once again crawling his way back to the ...
03.11.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
11 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark talks Pens and Vegas tonight and previews the matchup and what to expect of the Pens new call up ...
03.10.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
10 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks about the vibe around town of people wanting Mason Rudolph to fail despite being so called Steelers ...
03.10.22 THE MARK MADDEN SHOW HR 2
10 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark continues to talk about the QB situation with the Steelers and how to shake things up with the Peng...
03.10.22 THE MARK MADDEN SHOW HR 1
10 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X OPENIING MONOLOGUE MARK TALKS STEELERS QB AND WHO THE LATEST FLAVOR IS AS FAR AS WHO IS COMING TO TOWN NEXT. TONS OF PEN...
03.09.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
09 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks about Phil Kessel and how he skated a shift then left the game to fly home to the birth of his first...
03.09.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
09 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley sits in with Double M to co host the second hour of the show. Topics include the NFL drama the Steelers at ...
03.09.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
09 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue The Penguins fell at home to Florida last night by one, Mark talks about how the team is extremely sta...
03.08.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
08 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Ask Mark Anything moves up to make way for The Hockey Night Show. The puck drops on that with Jesse Marshall jo...
03.08.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
08 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Mark continues to discuss Rodgers making his decision to stay in Green Bay. Stan Savran makes his weekly appearance on t...
03.08.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
08 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Well Aaron Rodgers made his decision...and it wasn't to join the Steelers. Mark bask in the glow of be...
03.07.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
07 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark continues to blast the farce that is Rodgers and the Steelers having a deal in place to get him if ...
03.07.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
07 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks about how the NFL salary cap is really a myth that can be circumvented rather easily in the NFL. He ...
03.07.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
07 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue QUARTERBACK! Mark talks about the absolute fiction that Pro Football Talk put out over the weekend tha...
03.04.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
04 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark continues to take Penguins calls before Ask Mark Anything! Which is bumped up in the show to make way for ...
03.04.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
04 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order We continue to allow hockey to drive the bus with calls and Mark discussing the game last night, game to...
03.04.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
04 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark recaps the Penguins win over the Tampa Bay Lightning last night, in what was likely the team’s ...
03.03.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
03 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List We bump Ask Mark Anything up so we can make way for The Hockey Night Show! Presented by Getgo. Mark is joined b...
03.03.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
03 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark goes over tradeable pieces from the Penguins roster for the upcoming trade deadline. He continues t...
03.03.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
03 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Ya gotta love the Combine. Mark talks about the official measurement of Kenny Pickett’s hands and th...
03.02.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
02 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley joins in to co host for the entire hour with Double M. Starting out they talk a ton of Penguins and what th...
Mark Madden with Joe Manganiello
02 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Joe Manganiello from Hollywood, the Silver Screen, and Mt. Lebanon stops by the show to talk about his new podcast on Au...
03.02.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
02 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark takes aim at Russia, and the virtue signaling happening when it comes to supporting Ukraine with a social ...
03.02.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
02 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Happy Birthday Big Ben, The Penguins start a tough stretch of the schedule tomorrow in Tampa, Pickett ...
03.01.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
01 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark takes aim at NFL draft experts and how they almost never get their prognostications right….but seem to h...
03.01.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
01 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark ponders if the Penguins should trade that first round pick at this deadline for a rental to help ...
02.28.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
28 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List – Mark talks about the MLB lockout and how he hopes that they never come to an agreement because who gives a ...
02.28.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
28 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark plays a clip from Get Up about Russel Wilson to the Steelers, and he praises Orlovsky for using a s...
02.28.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
28 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue The Pens went 2-0 over the weekend and Mark mostly likes how they looked...but can't help but feel the...
02.25.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
25 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark takes calls to work his way thought the final hour of the program. MR. Friday Afternoon joins the show to ...
02.25.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
25 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order We have a special treat as Dave Hanson joins the show to talk about the 45th anniversary of Slap Shot be...
02.25.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
25 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark talks about that stink sandwhich the Penguins took a bite of last night against the Devils, a tea...
02.24.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
24 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks about the notion that Malkin or Ovi or any other Russian NHL player should feel obligated to speak o...
02.24.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
24 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark talks about Deshaun Watson being the latest flavor for whos the next Steelers QUARTERBACK! The Cour...
02.24.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
24 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Penguins and Devils tonight at PPG. Mark talks about how the Pens have to take advantage of one of the...
02.23.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
23 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark brings up the topic of Lebron saying he will be playing with his son for the final season of his career at...
02.23.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
23 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark finally gets into the Steelers QUARTERBACK! Quickly turns back into hockey though and addresses Yoh...
02.23.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
23 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Lots of Penguins talk on this here program today, including the rumors out there of the Penguins being...
02.22.22 The Mark Madden Show HR3
22 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The ListMark contemplates the debate of how you prefer to consume shows, by binging it or by watching week by week?He co...
2.22.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
22 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark talks about Juwan Howard and his tantrum at the end of the Michigan Wisconsin basketball game over ...
02.22.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
22 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark addresses Get Up and Ryan Clarks comments about the Steelers QB search this offseason, and just h...
02.21.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
21 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks about how baffling it was that the Canes scored in the first nine seconds of both the second and thi...
02.21.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
21 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark continues to break down the Penguins losing to the Canes on Sunday and falling to second in the Met...
02.21.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
21 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark returns to the show and talks about the Penguins playing too loose against the Canes Sunday after...
02.18.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
18 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley talks about the Penguins lines being shaken up and how it looked. He also talks ...
02.18.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
18 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley keeps up the Penguins talk to start the hour, and even takes some calls on the s...
02.18.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
18 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley starts by talking about the Penguins meh performance last night against the Mapl...
2.17.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
17 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley talks about the stupid article purposed by NHL.com that pondered if Crosby made ...
02.17.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
17 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley ramps up the Hockey talk this hour including the Penguins experimenting with the...
02.17.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
17 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Lots of Penguins talk on the program today but Crowley does his Steelers due diligence a...
02.16.22 The Mark Madden HR 3
16 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Sidney Crosby day continues on as Crowley continues to share his thoughts on Sid and tak...
02.16.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
16 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley continues to talk Sid and number 500. He takes calls about the topic and about t...
02.16.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
16 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden nothing more to talk about today other than Sidney Crosby and goal number 500 last night...
02.15.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
15 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley continues to talk about Penguins and gets into how they have to find a way to si...
02.15.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
15 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley talks more Penguins and the Steelers signing a new offensive line coach. Stan Sa...
02.15.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
15 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden The Steelers hired the Panthers Offensive Line coach for the same position, and Crowley ...
02.14.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
14 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley starts by discussing the current divide fracturing this nation...peoples opinion...
02.14.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
14 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowley shares the story of his biggest rejection of all time in honor of Valentines Day...
02.14.22 The Mark Madden HR 1
14 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Adam Crowley in for Mark Madden Crowl Man recaps the action from the Super Bowl last night and asks how far away the Ste...
02.11.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
11 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mr Friday Afternoon joins the show to make his super bowl picks Ask Mark Anything!See omnystudio.com/listener f...
02.11.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
11 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark reacts to the Pens win last night and the Super Bowl being right around the corner Colby Armstron...
02.11.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
11 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark is joined by Nate Davis of USA Today to break down the Super Bowl. Tim Benz also jumps on this hour...
02.10.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
10 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks about the NHL department of player safety and their inconsistency'Ask Mark Anything bumps up as we m...
02.10.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
10 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark continues to ramp up the Penguins talk and is joined in on the fun by Josh Yohe for his weekly hit....
02.10.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
10 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue A ton more Penguins talk on the show today ahead of Pens and Sens and the teams reunion with Matt Murr...
02.09.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
09 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Obvious addition to the list tonight following the antics pulled by Marchand last night Mark is joined by Pengu...
02.09.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
09 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Mark is joined by Adam Crowley in studio for the entire hour, which is devoted solely to Penguins talk after the Pens bi...
02.009.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
09 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Tons of hockey talk today in the wake of the Pens 4-2 win over the Bruins, but more so in the wake of ...
02.08.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
08 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks more about how the Minkah trade was the wrong thing for the Steelers to do back when they made it in...
02.08.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
08 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark discusses the topics of the day at length with the Godfather Stan Savran who joins the show for his...
02.08.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
08 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark is back from hiatus and opens up talking Steelers Quarterback, Flores, the Penguins and much more...
02.07.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
07 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark Madden Tim continues to take phone calls on the topics of the day. Mark Kaboly joins the show to ma...
02.07.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
07 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark Madden. Tim keeps picking fruit from the Quarterback tree when it comes to the Steelers. He then sw...
02.07.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
07 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark Madden Tim talks Steelers QB to open things up on the show as the Senior bowl really kicked things ...
02.04.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
04 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark Madden We hear from Dale Lolley and how the Steelers will take Kenny Pickett if he is there at pick...
02.04.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
04 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark MAdden Tim continues to discuss the Steelers interest in PIckett if he's at number 20. He also gets...
02.04.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
04 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark Madden Tim plays audio from Dale Lolley about the Steelers saying if Pickett is at 20, they will ta...
02.03.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
03 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks more about the Brian Flores lawsuit and then brings Tim Benz to talk more at length with the Super G...
02.03.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
03 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark talks about Brady and Ben retiring at the same time and how they will still both get into the HOF o...
02.03.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
03 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark continues to discuss the Brian Flores lawsuit and how he believes it has merit but questions the ...
02.02.22 The Mark Madden HR 3
02 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Mark talks about the thought that anyone will be able to tell any of these owners how their going to spend thei...
02.02.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
02 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark continues to take calls on the Brian Flores lawsuit Jay Caufield joins the show to get the hockey t...
02.02.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
02 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark opens up by talking all about the Brian Flores lawsuit against the NFL. He also gets into the Pen...
02.01.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
01 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X The List Ask Mark Anything moves up today as we make way for the Hockey Night Show presented by Getgo. Mark talks to Mat...
02.01.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
01 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark discusses the fascination with hand size measurement for QBs in relation to Picketts hand measureme...
02.01.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
01 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Mark received a tweet saying he wasn't talking enough Penguins hockey....well ask and you shall receiv...
01.31.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
31 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X New World Order Mark talks about Brady and Ben retiring at the same time and how they both should be at Canton in 2027 o...
01.31.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
31 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The XThe List is preempted by the Three Is as Mark addresses the Steelers current state of the organization. He then takes cal...
01.31.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
31 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Opening Monologue Between Championship Weekend and the Penguins recent three game losing streak there is no shortage of ...
01.28.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 3
28 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark Madden Tim talks more Steelers before getting to the Hockey Night Show. He talks Pens and Wings wit...
01.28.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 2
28 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark Madden Tim continues to hash over what Rooney had to say today in his media session. Jay Morrison f...
01.28.22 The Mark Madden Show HR 1
28 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Afternoons 3-6 on 105.9 The X Tim Benz in for Mark Madden live from the Rivers CasinoTim talks a lot of what Rooney had to say in his meeting with the...