Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hi out there. It's me, Steve. Have you seen Blue, my puppy? Hi, I'm Rima Grace and welcome to This is Uncomfortable, the weekly show from Marketplace about life and how money messes with it. Like a lot of millennials, I grew up watching Blue's Clues, which of course is the Nickelodeon kids show about a guy named Steve and his dog Blue solving everyday mysteries.
I first chatted with Steve Burns on his podcast last year. And since that conversation, I've been wanting to talk to him again, this time on my show to talk about his personal story. I find it really fascinating how he fell into a job he never planned to have and then watched it quietly take over his life.
His experience gets at something we talk about a lot on this show, which is how the work we fall into can shape how we see ourselves, what we think we deserve, and how we think about money. So this week, I'm talking with Steve Burns about fame, imposter syndrome, the not-so-glamorous reality of trying to make a living as an actor, and how his relationship with money has changed along the way.
Before we get into the conversation, a quick heads up. A few weeks ago, we did an episode about keeping financial secrets in a relationship, and you all called in to share your thoughts. Be sure to stick around to the end of the show to hear one of those calls. And as always, you can call in too at 347-RING-TIU. All right, here's my conversation with Steve. Rima, hello.
It is so nice to be with you again. It's so good to see you again. Last time I was on your show. This time, I'm interviewing you.
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Chapter 2: How did Steve Burns become famous for Blue's Clues?
You're a great guest, by the way. Oh, thank you. We had a good time. It was nice. So I'm in North Carolina recording this from my childhood home. And I was like, oh, the setup's not great. The lighting's not ideal. But then I was like, wait, this is actually very fitting to be interviewing you from my childhood bedroom, from the house where I grew up watching you on my TV screen. All right.
It feels like a little full circle moment. How cool is that? Yeah, it's pretty cool. It feels surreal. So obviously I watched you as a kid. You were Steve from Blue's Clues. I still am. You still are. Aren't I? I don't know. Well, that's kind of what I want to get into. Like, I'm curious what that job was actually like for you. But I want to back up. How did you first get that gig?
Well, it was one of my first jobs I ever got. You know, I wasn't in New York more than like a month or two before I got that job. Early 20s. Yeah, I was a kid. We were all just babies. Blue's Clues is turning 30 this year, which is inconceivable, as Wallace Shawn would say. And we were all just babies. I mean, the creators of the show were in their early 20s. Imagine that. It had kind of a...
a punk rock band vibe. We had no idea what we were doing. And we were doing it for zero money. And- Really?
Chapter 3: What challenges did Steve face with fame and imposter syndrome?
I want to get into that. Yeah, for sure. I had won an acting award, which is how I got to New York. And I had won an acting award for being like very intense and serious, like a very serious actor. And I thought that's what I was good at. You know, I was like, well, I guess that's what my thing is. You know, I'm going to go to New York and I'm going to be Al Pacino, obviously.
And I thought the Blue's Clues audition was to be the voice of a cartoon, like off camera kind of thing. And if I had known that it was on camera, I wouldn't have gone. That's the honest to God truth. Because this was a side gig. It was a detour. Yeah. Well, I mean, I needed money. I was auditioning for literally anything I could, you know, and I was just starting out.
Like I said, I just arrived weeks before. But I think if someone said, you know, this is a chance to be on children's television, I would have said, oh, I'm entirely inappropriate. That's not my thing. Yes, this is a mistake. And when I went into the audition, there was a camera in the room and I almost left. I was like looking for reasons to leave.
And I just said, all right, since I'm here, I'm going to act the hell out of this. I mean, I'm Al Pacino, right? And so I just kind of pulled Steve out of my butt in that audition. Yeah.
and uh it was a weird moment it was happening this is strange because i got like really close to the camera and i made everything kind of a secret like which one is the thing are you aware of the thing i don't know and it was written much more like the price is right yeah but like i was testing you know like which one is the the triangle good job i mean i think that was the intended vibe and i took it you were a lot more grounded
I guess. By accident. I mean, I can't say that it was any sort of like brilliant concept I had. It was just something I did out of desperation. And it happened to work. Yeah. That's your signature. That's how I remember you. So you kind of stumbled into it. That's wild. And then once you started, were you into it? Mm-mm. No. I mean, I knew it was brilliant. I knew that.
And I mean, I was kind of into it. I was like, this is really weird. This is like bizarre. I called it the Rocky Horror Children's Show because it was like so interactive and there was so much... I was approaching it from like a clown point of view. And I was like, this is really interesting. And this is anti-TV TV. And I think it's cool. And I think it's too weird to succeed.
So it's, you know, there's no consequence here. Let's just do this weird thing. And... That's kind of freeing. Yeah. And my manager was like, maybe don't do this job because she read the script and she's like, this is so brilliant. And if this works, it's going to change kids TV. Oh, wow. And she's like, this will be your life. And I was like, it's not going to work.
There's no way, literally no way four-year-olds are going to think I can hear them. Like that never works. Yeah. So when it took off, when it became a success, I was very disoriented by that and I felt very derailed. Not that I was mad about it, but that I just felt... You were on a trajectory you weren't expecting, yeah. Well, I felt unqualified. I felt like this is a mistake.
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Chapter 4: How did Steve's early experiences shape his views on money?
Right. But then there's also a cost of leaving blues clues, right? I imagine it came with a big financial sacrifice, right? Sure. You know, of course. But you made that decision. You said, no, actually, the cost to my mental health is far more severe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, and honestly, I was just really proud of what I had done, you know. It felt time. Yeah, it did. It felt time.
And I think they were like, yeah, maybe we should change this up, you know. And it's lore at this point, but it's also true that I was going bald and they were not into me wearing a hat. And I was like, well, I don't trust any of you to give me a wig. So it will be an absurd looking wig. But also, who cares if you're bald? Wait, that's confusing to me. It was confusing to me, too.
But they were like, no. You must not be bald. TV is brutal, man. That's terrible. Oh, it is terrible. Steve was kind of supposed to be in this liminal age space. Yeah, you can't age. Where maybe he's your brother. He probably doesn't have a mortgage. Who knows what's going on with Steve. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, okay, so walk me through how did you get out of that darker period, those 10 years where you're kind of just surviving? Crisis, you know, the same way everyone does. My father got cancer. I was in just like a a very ill-fated relationship that collapsed at the same time as my father was dying.
And I was, you know, I was caretaking and, and I was in the middle of this terrible depression, you know, while my father was passing and I kind of snapped, you know, I really did after years and years and years, my brain just snapped and, and, And I realized then, you know, hey, it's time to talk to somebody about this. I need help.
You know, which is nothing I ever would have said to myself until it became that incredibly obvious. Yeah. Yeah. And then what did that look like once you got help? Well, for me, it was therapy, right? But therapy actually just led me to other things that are more sustaining. And so how, if at all, did therapy change your relationship with money and eventually work?
Well, it refocused me on all sorts of things that were less about money. how I esteem myself based on external things, right? Money is the big culprit there, right? And I started to really kind of unpack, oh my gosh, yeah, I do feel like I need to succeed because of some stuff from childhood, you know, from what I observed.
And I'm also a little self-conscious about it because of my father and because of all of these things. And so I started to address and to face those things I mean, that's interesting. So you're saying that you realized a lot of your value and worth was tied into the external validation that you got? Sure. Always. Always. And it always was.
You know, when things were dark and grim in my family, I was the comedian. You know, I would show up and make everybody laugh and juggle. And that's how I got praise, right? And I think this is a very common path for people who then attempt to be actors, right?
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Chapter 5: What was Steve's relationship with money during his time on Blue's Clues?
I like it more than I thought I would like it. And I thought I would like it a lot. But it's not for everyone. Yeah, well, I can imagine it being this like ideal scenario. And then once you're in the woods, you're like, oh, this might be, this is actually kind of isolating or it's not as, you know, whatever as you thought it would be. But it's nice to hear that you're enjoying it.
It's interesting because it is isolating, but I am almost never lonely because, you know, it's very replenishing for me to be up here. And I feel very connected. I'm more social up here than I ever was in the middle of Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Because there's more of me to go around. Yeah. How did that change your finances at all, living out in the woods?
First of all, it's very expensive to do this. I thought it would be so cheap, but it's like, oh, I need a tractor and a pickup truck and a car to get to New York City. And all of this stuff is wildly crazy expensive, but it's still much cheaper than living in New York City. But yeah, although in the last, I don't know, since my father passed, I don't know.
I have a new relationship to money that I've never had before. Okay, yeah, tell me about that. Which is money panic, which is I need as much as possible because I helped my dad die, but I am no one's father. You know, like how is this going to look for me? And it's this 52-year-old end-of-life panic that a lot of singletons that I know face. are suddenly really grasping and grappling with.
And it's like, my God, the first podcast interview I did was with this amazing hospice nurse named Julie McFadden. And she, I asked her, you know, all right, how do you want to die? And without missing a beat, she went rich. And she's like, I hate to, she was very honest. She's like, it is hard to die in the United States.
And, and I've seen it now a couple of times and that's real, you know, assisted living, a decent, not even a nice assisted living facility. By the time you're maxing out your care there, that's 10 grand a month. Jeez. Who has that? Yeah. It's wildly expensive to be old and single. That's interesting. So now you're in this new kind of headspace of how can I get rich?
I gotta call the dirty books people. That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, I don't know. There seems to be a lifeline right there for you. You know, reflecting back on the conversation that we've had today, is there something that you would tell your younger self, you know, thinking about Steve Burns when he was, what, 24, 25, doing Blue's Clues, trying to figure himself out?
What would you say to him? Relax, man. You know, get into it. You know, you're good at this. Your job is so much cooler than you're letting yourself realize. You know, this is a gift from above that you're involved in this show at all. And just relax and trust it. You know, I didn't. I didn't. You know, and I was really neurotic about the whole thing. Um... I love being on Blue's Clues now.
Like I would do it if someone wrote me an episode tomorrow, I'd do it. I couldn't wait. Like I love being Steve now because I'm right-minded about it. But back then I was just so nervous and neurotic about it that I really couldn't get my arms around it. And I wish I could have enjoyed it then like I do now. Steve, this was so much fun. Thanks so much for chatting with me.
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