A private credit market boom
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What factors contributed to the growth of the private credit market since 2008?
That line about neither a borrower nor a lender be? With apologies to one William Shakespeare, the economy just doesn't work like that. From American Public Media, this is Market Class.
In Los Angeles, I'm Kyle Rizal. It is Thursday. Today, this one is the 26th of February. Good as always to have you along, everybody. This economy, this one specifically the U.S., the global economy to almost all other countries as well, run on debt. Credit, national or sovereign debt, the bills, bonds, and notes that governments sell. Individual debt, car loans and mortgages. Corporate debt as well, because companies sell bonds too, you know. Increasingly, though, companies are trying to get their hands on more capital by going to what are called private credit markets, borrowing money from big investors or money managers rather than actual banks. According to the Federal Reserve, the private credit market has exploded since the 2008 financial crisis.
Exploded is my word, not theirs. It's five times bigger now than it was back then, somewhere near the $2 trillion mark globally. The last couple of weeks, though. The private credit market has gone a little bit sideways, and economists and analysts aren't totally sure what to make of it. Marketplace's Daniel Ackerman starts us off.
After the financial crisis, regulation forced big banks to tighten up their lending practices. Elizabeth DeFontenay of Duke University says that made it harder for some companies to get loans.
And so this has really created an opening for private credit funds to step in.
She says private lending can be riskier than bank loans or corporate bonds. But Laura Veldkamp of Columbia University says that's part of the appeal. Typically, you'll get a higher rate of return in private credit. Investors tend to be the ones with an appetite for that kind of risk.
So you might have an endowment fund. You might have a wealthy person trying to achieve more diversification.
As for the companies receiving those loans, Gerald Cohen of UNC says, A significant amount of private credit has been in the software industry. Which, he says, shouldn't be a surprise. Software firms are often startups too small to sell bonds or may not meet requirements for bank loans. Cohen says the problem right now is that software companies are threatened by the development of artificial intelligence.
Is AI just going to be able to develop all our software? Do we need software companies anymore?
Those fears caused share prices for private credit managers to drop in recent weeks. By itself, that's not a huge deal, says Columbia's Laura Veldkamp, but... Maybe this is the canary in the coal mine. Veldkamp says there could be ripple effects, like remember those big banks, the ones too big to fail? Veldkamp says they sometimes lend to the very private credit managers who make those riskier loans. And while we're nowhere near a private credit collapse... The concern is that this is just the beginning and that this is a more widespread phenomenon. But, she says, it's still too early to tell. I'm Daniel Ackerman for Marketplace.
We're going to turn now from the vibes of the financial markets to some of the hard data of this economy, the January producer price index specifically. It's going to be upon us tomorrow and is going to feed into the data stream that the Federal Reserve is watching as it tries to figure out which is the bigger economic boogeyman right now, aggressive price gains or anemic job gains. Marketplace's Mitchell Hartman has our preview.
Let's start with a simple definition.
Producer price inflation is wholesale inflation. It's not the one that faces consumers, but it dictates decisions that companies have to make and how they're raising prices.
Ross Mayfield is an investment strategist at Baird, which is a marketplace underwriter. He expects tomorrow's report to show PPI cooled off a bit in January and continue to be driven by rising prices for services.
Services inflation, it's typically the thing the Fed cares more about because it's more reflective of the underlying economy, you know, the labor market.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What factors contributed to the growth of the private credit market since 2008?
0:01–4:26
2
Why are private credit loans considered riskier than traditional bank loans?
4:26–8:38
3
What role do private credit funds play in the current economy?
8:38–13:04
4
How is artificial intelligence impacting the software industry and private credit?
13:04–16:18
5
What economic indicators are influencing the January producer price index?
16:18–25:18