Matt Beall Podcast
Limitless 2025 | Vase Updates, Cobain Case & Big Void, Guest Highlights & Season 2 Awards
09 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Well, good. Well, welcome. Hello. Yeah. We are here one year later. We did this last year and kind of started a new tradition. So that's what we're doing again this year. Yeah. And it feels, you know, I can't believe it's been one year. You know, when we were preparing for this thing, I was just kind of browsing over all the videos on YouTube and things like that.
And we had 52 episodes this year. Yeah. I always like to look back at how things started, and I always go back to that first episode that we filmed in here with Chris Dunn. And I think we were maybe once a month, maybe once every month and a half, we were putting out episodes, and they were chaotic and hard to get through.
And then I look back at the totality of 25, and we're putting out 52 episodes. We shifted to one a week at the later part of 24, and we've had so many people, so many people from all different spectrums, whether it's ancient history, aliens, death, some wild shit all included in there. But it's been a hell of a year of the 52 episodes that we've done and everybody that we've had in this studio.
Yeah, it's so much fun to... Sit down during these conversations and get out of my comfort zone, which is my office next door. It's a little different to be having this conversation with you with mics in front of me. But I'm excited about it because it gives us an opportunity to kind of reflect on 25 and share with everyone tuning in, everyone listening, what 26 is going to bring. Cool.
Yeah, for sure. We're going to start a new tradition today with some awards that we're going to give out as well. So, yeah, we're going to talk about the—we'll give out 10 awards to various episodes for various things, and we'll talk about that in a few minutes. And then I thought that before we got into that and into the episodes that we recorded in fiscal—or in calendar 25—
I thought that we would talk about a little bit about maybe updates on the vase topic, the Cobain topic, and then what's happening with the pyramids. Because I think that those are three big projects that we took on, that I took on, and so that my channel took on. Huge projects. Huge projects. This year, yeah.
So those have been fun, and they've been really cool, but I think it's probably something that at the end of the year, okay, the audience wants to know where we're at with these three things, what's really going on. So I'm going to say as much as I can say and as much as I know about each of those three topics.
For that part, maybe we kick off there, and we kind of flip it, and you become the interviewer, and you ask me questions about those three topics. Which one do you want to start off with? Let's start off with, first off, hi, everyone. Welcome to Brian Borthell Limitless. I've got Matt Bell in studio. You might know him from Matt Bell Limitless. But let's start off with the vase topic. Good.
Obviously, you know, had a number of episodes this year with Dr. Max, and he shared some updates. And I know you've been diligently working behind the scenes, even getting more vases on ancientstonevases.com. So kind of, you know, where are we at with the vases? Any, any new exciting subjects, updates, topics within that? Yeah.
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Chapter 2: What updates are provided on the vase topic?
But we had released the scans publicly that have the tool marks embedded within the scan. So it's obviously not something that we were hiding, but... But yeah, the tool marks within the artifacts and the polished exteriors is something that you see on all of the pieces, essentially all of the pieces, the closed form pieces, both museum and private collection.
So that's interesting to me, that you would have a modern technique that just happened to match the ancient technique. And that the manufacturing technique not only matched, but the people of the time, both periods of time, decided, hey, I'm going to leave the tool marks on the inside of
of this, this object that I'm creating, you know, whether, whether the precision ones are modern or whether they were ancient, you got, you got the same tool marks on the inside, you got the same polished exterior surface. And the only difference is kind of the, the, the level of perfection that you see in, in the various pieces. And so it seems like there's this class of
of precision pieces that's in private collections that's between zero and ten one thousandths of an inch of perfect circularity for the tool marks on the interior of the artifacts so between zero and ten thousandths of an inch and then when you have the ancient museum stuff that's guaranteed ancient perfect provenance it's between ten and twenty five thousandths of an inch of perfect circularity for that ring on the inside so
Besides that... Yeah, you know, they look very similar. So that's one thing that kind of, for me, you know, it stands out and argues for the precision pieces actually being ancient, or at least some portion of the precision pieces actually being ancient. And not every one has to be ancient in order for there to be, you know, something that's profound here that needs to be further understood.
Just one of them has to be. You know, how did they make one? That had interior circularity of, you know, whatever, whatever the craziest number is. So I think that that's, it's still an interesting topic. It's still an ongoing topic until you can date stone. I don't know that you can actually date.
And all of the stones of all the different types of stones of all the pieces, I don't know that you get to a conclusive answer of what is the answer to the mystery. But at the end of the day, we know conclusively that we have these stone objects that display very incredible beauty.
uh degrees of circularity and roundness on the on the interior specifically on the in interior the exterior seems to have been polished off more and so you know you don't have that perfect circularity on the the exterior the concentricity is a little bit off so the circular circles don't perfectly align you know vertically stacked on one another so that tells you something about the tools that they were using
But the fact that whatever tool they were using, they're saying is handheld, yet it's making, you know, 10 one thousandth of an inch perfect circle into granite is, you know, I don't I'm not like I'm not ready to totally accept that that's normal, that that's like. You can't do that, Matt? You can't just do that like with your hand.
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Chapter 3: What insights are shared about the Cobain case?
Yeah, I'd like to get some surface deviation reports back on additional precision faces. Max at one point said, don't worry about these because my software is going to be able to tell. You're not going to need these scans, basically. And they were like 500 bucks a piece or something.
I think I'd like to ask them to go ahead and create these scans because that should really clearly show visually whether or not a lathe was used on the exterior of all of the artifacts, of each individual artifact. With the surface deviation report, you can see are there horizontal lines that go all the way around the object.
And what Max is saying is that you don't see that on the museum pieces and you don't see it on the non-precision pieces. So he's saying that they weren't turned. He's saying that you only see... You're only going to see that on the precision pieces. And so what I'd like to do is just visually see that with my own eyes and share it with people, whatever the answer is.
Like say, hey, these are all of the precision faces and these are all of the surface deviation reports.
you can see that these were turned so so that these so that the technology on all of these or the the method not the technology but the method of manufacture is clearly different on the exterior for the precision pieces and i think that's to be able to visually kind of prove that from a for the um is is probably important in um establishing that hey either that that the manufacturing method is clearly different and and then that can
you know, lead people to speculate on, okay, well, was it a manufacturing method from ancient times or was it a manufacturing method from modern times? Because it is consistent with modern manufacturing. That's one thing that Max keeps repeating. What we see in the precision vases is consistent with modern manufacturing.
So, you know, I think that that is a, it's a legitimate argument for the highly precise ones to be And if they are, they are. I don't think it's conclusive, but I think that it's one of those arguments that says, hey, maybe the precision ones are modern. If they are, so be it.
There's 80 more that are just, I think, just an incredible testament to ancient people's manufacturing ingenuity that we still can't, we still don't completely understand. understand.
But even if it's just a process, hey, this takes two years to do, to look back and just to understand the process in full and understand what the people were going through to make these things, taking two years out of their life or going through whatever the process was, I think would be cool to
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Chapter 4: How is the Big Void project progressing?
Gotcha. I was just curious if you ever, because I have my theories about it, but I was always curious. I've never heard you say kind of why before, but that makes sense. We got a couple of questions to answer before we get to that.
yeah it's just it's just speculation i mean we can speculate about it but it's like i don't know try not to kind of ranks lower on the list of important questions when it comes to those yeah yeah it's like you're trying to find the details of something that you don't have the structure for yet yeah you know and so it's just painting a picture that might not be real gotcha
But yeah, so that's kind of the vases. And then what else? Let's stay within that side of the world and let's get an update on the Big Void and kind of the Queen's Chamber shafts and all the projects with that. So I know, you know, last time, I think last update that we did, it was they were going in there and doing some test runs right around October of 25.
So do you, you know, you want to share kind of any knowledge or updates you have within that and then kind of what it looks like in 26? Yeah, well, so it's been... These things take time, you know? And so I feel a little bit like the middleman here where I want what the audience wants, you know? And I want it to get done, like, quickly. And, like, let's get into the void.
And what are we waiting for? Let's get that done. And that's where I'm at. And I know that's where the audience is at. So it's tough to... report on this one because it's it's been slow going you know it's um I don't think it's going at a pace that that um everybody wants to know what's in there man and you know and so it's like um uh but um
So what happened in October was the visit happened, and the October visit to the Great Pyramid was supposed to be the visit where they prepared everything so that they could explore the Queen's Chamber North Shaft in December.
And so there was a trip scheduled for last week, actually, that was the follow-up trip to the October trip, and they were going to send the robot up the Queen's Chamber North Shaft in December. But the October trip, they only accomplished a small fraction of what they needed to accomplish to get the December trip done. So the December trip has got pushed back into January, and...
You know, I guess I want to be sensitive and delicate here as it relates to the vase topic, the Cobain topic and the pyramid topic. And that's probably why I haven't given a ton of updates on this, because they're tight. You know, there's some there's some sensitive topics. information. There's some personal information. There's some, you know, there's, there's some privacy information.
There's some safety information. There's some concerns about, you know, various things. So I have to be sensitive and careful, but so with the What I signed up for in the beginning was really to explore the big void. That's where my passion was. That's what I wanted to explore, was thinking that from a timeline standpoint that it would be done
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Chapter 5: What complexities arise in discussions about individual simulations?
That'd be, yeah, it was, it's funny going back to the very beginning of this. I had a, a somewhat black and white view on the world. And it's, it's especially the issue that the number of people that we've talked to is it's, it's a hell of a lot more complicated than that. But the last thing I'll say on the simulation in my, in my own simulation and you're not real. You know what I mean?
Like, is everybody got their own individual simulation or is it like, you know, where we all contributing in one giant program? Like, that's what I'm talking about, where it just it'll make your head hurt. It'll really at least it does mine in terms of just the the pipeline, the slew of questions that come afterwards. So. I think we scroll right down that list. Well, I think we, we hit Sam urban.
Great guy. It was subscriber viewer that, that really wanted to come on, really started to open it or opening us up into the, um, uh,
ancient seafaring civilization, culture, and, and another person that, you know, similar to Michael Button that has went down that professional classroom environment at universities and was kind of taken aback about the closed minded thinking that was not being taught, but being that, that was the expectation is here's everything that we know it's never going to change and
And if you challenge that, you're a pseudo-archaeologist, you're a pseudo-whatever. And he was kind of fun.
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Chapter 6: How do past guests influence the current conversation?
And then we'll just jump right into Trevor Grassi. Okay. Trevor had a vibe, man. Yes, he did. Yeah, he was a cool guy. He was a chill guy. He was a fun guy, yeah. He was super nice. Kind of random how we were able to connect with him. I think he was at a UAP UFO conference in Tampa. Yeah, yeah. And I think he hit you up on X, and we're like, yeah, let's do it, man.
Yeah, he was interested in having me potentially fund a project that they were working on. So I think that was part of the reason that he wanted to connect, but a super nice guy. Yeah. You know, I think talking to him was interesting. His fans are loyal and really love him, and for good reason, because he's a nice guy, and he's got a great vibe, and he's just a cool guy.
But yeah, I guess some of the stuff, I would personally maybe put a...
just at the lower percentage too than some other people maybe just because I didn't really hear a lot of evidence for you know some of the tunnel systems or like where the where did the information actually come from and when we kind of dug down into that on a couple of things it was it was it was difficult to to kind of get get there
you know it was fun it was exciting yeah yeah truthful that's a little different yeah well yeah yeah but crazier stuff has been true yeah and in a lot of cases the guest is just kind of conveying what they've heard from somebody else too you know so yeah um It was cool to talk to Brian Forster because he's just a freaking legend, of course. A very chill guy. Yeah. Didn't seem in a hurry. Right.
Didn't seem, it was just like kind of, and I absolutely love his story. Why did you get so fascinated with Peru? I just woke up one day and voice in my head was like, go to Peru. I went to Peru.
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Chapter 7: What are the highlights of the Season 2 awards?
Oh, I thought that'd be more complex, but okay. All right. Yeah. So on the Ben Davidson one, then that was our biggest podcast that we did, which was pretty interesting because Ben was completely convinced that this was going to be the biggest podcast that we'd ever done. Convinced and told us that it will be the biggest episode that we've ever had. And look, the man lived up to his word. He did.
Yeah. Yeah. He thought that we would blow away Randall Carlson's episode. And I think Randall maybe had 169 and I told him that and he's like, oh, we're going to blow that. away but yeah you know I was going to be happy if it was our biggest and that quickly and it sure as hell was and great conversation I thought he did a great job he was just an absolutely professional you know
as he presented the information and just made a freaking phenomenal podcast. So I think he'll start to get more attention. Danny Jones has been texting me about him, so I'm assuming that he's going to go on the Danny Jones podcast. Oh, good, good, good, good. He was asking me about him.
They just released a movie, I think, or a short movie on YouTube that's associated with Ben Davidson about the solar cycle, something like that. I saw that floating around out there. So, yeah, I mean, just a wild conversation.
And, you know, I think that it's one of those conversations that was probably like there was a lot of pent up demand for it because he just he hadn't really done one like that before. Yeah, yeah. You know, so that was cool to be able to have this kind of be his first big one and get that out there and have people really enjoy it. And it scared the hell out of people. Whoa. It should. Yeah.
And secondly, scare the hell out of us because, you know, if the earth... Like, all this is underwater. Like, hundreds of feet. I'm not moving anytime soon, but that's kind of what we're forced to deal with, you know, if all of those things that he shares comes out to be true. There's so many things that can get us right now, though, you know? It's like, there's so many.
Between AI and nukes and viruses and pole shifts and... you know, you've got climate change, you've got all of this stuff that's kind of coming at us as potential threats that, you know, could significantly beat back this civilization or potentially remove the civilization, you know, from the timeline, then
Yeah, it's just there's so much stuff out there that this is kind of just another one of those things for me. And it's fascinating to think about. And there are a lot of signs. I mean, if you go back to the Thomas Chan book, and I think that's kind of where all of this really began. Yeah. You know, I think there's something there.
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Chapter 8: What guests are planned for future episodes?
There's definitely something there that the polls have obviously shifted in the past and, you know, that it could be a major catastrophe again in the future. So it's just we'll see. But I don't, you know, I do feel like it takes a little bit longer than probably expected. you know, whatever, five years or whatever, 10 years, but, um, we'll see. But I just, uh, and I know Ben would agree.
Why, why worry about it? You know, if it's going to happen, I can do about it. Yeah. Yeah. Like no, no fear as Ben would say, but, uh, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. It's like, Hey, we're finally a catastrophe. That's not manmade. Yeah. So it's like, what do you do? Yeah. What do you do? Right. So, yeah. So that was cool.
Good to get to know Ben and kind of get his, his stuff out there and hopefully he'll get some more opportunities on the podcast scene after that. Uh, we talked about Sean already. Yeah. Uh, Raul was cool. Mike, Mike Forrest, um, just to, you know, mention that one, obviously we both put that at, at very low percentage chance, but, um, what were your thoughts there?
Yeah, very low percentage chance. My most favorite part of the episode was yourself. Look, man, it's one of three things. Yeah, yeah. And you were like, and I know I'm going to butcher the three things, but it was like, it's real? Whoa.
two it's fake you know it's fake and you're trying to pull a scam or three it's fake and you don't know it's fake yeah that's it well shit matt tell him how you really think but no but you're 100 right that those are the only three possibilities only three possibilities and and and he was very transparent with it and he was like yeah i i think that they're real he's like
He kind of acknowledged that they could not be real and that he's being scammed. So kind of removing the maliciousness of it. We did, I think, you know, we answered what the fans wanted to do, what people wanted to do. We allowed for the transparency of the topic. We gave somebody a platform that maybe didn't have a platform yet. to go on other shows or to be heard elsewhere.
So now they're able to speak their mind and get their truth out there or their, their story out there. Yeah. He came prepared. He was ready. I mean, he took it serious. And he was very respectful and very appreciative of the opportunity and was a nice guy to get to know and to talk to. And so I'm, I'm super glad we did it and had the episode, but yeah,
um it's just you know i again and he knows this he knows that we we neither of us really think that there's a chance that they're real well and and yeah everything that we've shared today is not you know we we've we've shared these opinions these thoughts directly with the guests yeah so it's like it's not anything anything new within that right and we were both up front with mike like it was cool yeah i just i don't i don't know yeah i don't know yeah
Yep, so Derek, great guy, super cool. Chris Ramsey, same thing. Yep. Great guy. I know you were really excited for that one. I like his vibe. I like his studio. I like his vibe. And we got to see magic. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was like a kid in a candy store. I got to talk about aliens, and I got to see up-close magic. I was part of Magic Trek. Right, right. They briefly made me taller.
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