Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Fraudsters Break Down Hilariously Bad Scams That Went Viral
Fri, 29 Nov 2024
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Chapter 1: What happened with the LaSalle University scam?
So she would pay for the product, they'd let them go, and then she would just credit it back on her card. She'd just do a credit back on her card. And on a daily basis, it's like about five, $600 a week.
Yeah, which I mean, let's face it, if you're getting paid six or seven hundred dollars a week, an extra five hundred dollars, that brings you from the I'm barely paying my bills to I'm doing all right. Like I'm making a couple thousand dollars a month.
But it seems like she was in a high dollar wherever she was working. She was in a high dollar store. But that that shows up pretty quickly. If it's high dollar amounts or you're doing a lot of returns like that, her drawer would be wrong consistent. I don't know how it would be consistent. Unless like what you were saying, and this is what I'm thinking in my mind. So like you said, the cup is $15.
So she charges you 50. So what she would do is she might return the $35 to your card and put the 15 on hers. You know, somehow or another she was hiding it. Something allowed her to stay there on a consistent basis and do that. Because half a million dollars is not something that would happen over a short period of time.
And it's not something that would happen where your boss wouldn't go, what the hell is, how do you keep coming up wrong? Like how is it that you had this much in sales and when I count up your receipts, which includes your cash and checks and credit cards, you're short this money.
Like that wouldn't go on consistently enough for half a million bucks unless you're able to hide it somewhere in the numbers.
Right. Because I guess maybe I like I could see like if somebody rang something up for me and it was 30 or 40 or 50 bucks off, like honestly, I wouldn't I probably wouldn't even notice it.
You know, you know what? You just you just answered it. So that's probably what she was doing. She was probably over. So if she charged you 50 bucks for this. Right. You didn't notice it. And she was returning the 35 to her card. and letting you keep the $15 item.
Right. And think about it. That would hide it. What would be the worst that would happen is you get a bill, you see the 50, and you go, oh, that's right. She charged me 50. Maybe it just hasn't caught up yet. She did return it. I saw she returned it.
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Chapter 2: Who is Arielle Foster and what did she do?
What's the worst that happens? Well, the worst that happens is what happened to her. But pretty much if your boss at some point might just fire you, if you quit and just left, you might not.
So I would imagine, like you said, a couple of customers came back. But for her to get that much money, she's been doing it consistently. She's doing it consistently. Okay.
I don't, so personally for me, I'm not a huge, so I started off with credit card fraud when I was doing what I was doing and I got caught every time to the point where there was one time when I was sitting in booking for those hours after my arrest and I said, I'm not doing credit card fraud anymore because that is the worst thing
Crime, that is the most known and it's the easiest to get caught, credit card fraud. I just, I hated it. So, and I've done it like where people, like you have guys that go to gas stations when women are pumping gas and they'll grab their purse out of their car and then they'll sell the credit cards to people
like myself, and I'd buy them and I'd try to use them up real fast, you know, before they turn them off. You know, all that stuff, credit card fraud, it leads to you being, running somewhere out of a store because you try to use the card, it comes up stolen and you're like, oh, I gotta go. Stolen, that's... I'm so surprised by that, but let me call my credit card company as I'm running out.
Boziak has a story. He and his brother had, they bought something like it wasn't even a big deal. It was 50 or a hundred bucks or something like a game, some game components or accessories or something for some game. And they weren't like circuit city or target or something. And they, and his, as soon as they swipe the, his brother was standing there and swipe the card. Or was, did Bozak swipe it?
Anyway, they were both at the register and they're sitting there and all of a sudden the guy kind of glanced and then went up and picked up the phone and say, you know, I have a code gray and such and such. And Bozak said, I looked at my brother and I went like this and he goes, And he turned around and walked off. He's like, he goes, and he stood there. He goes, I thought he was behind me.
Like, I just started bolting and got faster and faster. He goes, before you know it, I was really going. He said, next thing I know, I hear, he goes, I can hear, you know, his brother was wearing flip-flops. He goes, so I can hear the flip-flops. And the linoleum, the linoleum. And he's like, run. And he shoots right by him. And he's like, did I fucking take off?
He's like, I go one way, the cops grab. He goes, he had one of his flip-flops blew out. And he said he tripped and he grabbed him and they grabbed him and he took off. Boziak got away? Boziak got away. And he said like the next day, his brother was like, where were you? He's like, well, he's like, what did you just, I turned around, you were gone. When the cops came, he's like, I gave you the nod.
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Chapter 3: What is the difference between intended loss and actual loss?
Anyway, he's got a Nigerian name. I can't even say it. It's Tobiashi, Tobiushi something. Anyway. He ended up, so I was reading an article. I remember, I think it was in Fortune Magazine. It was called The Helot King. And he had stolen like, it was like $80 million is what they had estimated if he had stolen. They said it could be as high as $100 million.
But what he eventually figured out how to do was he would he would he would go through and find these houses that were worth several million dollars. And he knew they had equity because you got a two million dollar house and maybe you owe one point five. Right.
So he would then turn around and he would figure out how to get your your the person who owned the house's social security number public record back then. Well, social security number. And then what he would do is he would call the spoof app had just come out on phones. Yes. So he would call.
Phone number.
Right. From their phone number. So they think. So if you're a Bank of America, you think this person's calling from this phone number and he would say, I work here. I work here. Here's my home phone number. Here's my address. And back then, they were giving home equity lines of credit away, especially since the LTV was below 80%. The CLT is way below 80%. This is late 90s, right? Late 90s.
Well, no. It was early 2000. It was still before the crash.
Right.
So what he did was...
so he'd make the phone call so the bank thinks you're calling from the house right so he obviously is the guy he also has his date of birth social security number full name knows where the guy works so when they pull the credit it all checks out and and because it's a heloc and it was below like an 80 or 90 clt cumulative loan to value meaning the first and the second still aren't going to exceed
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