Mick Unplugged
Sergeant James Booker on Integrity, Prison Politics, and Leading with Character
Sat, 26 Apr 2025
Sergeant James Booker is a retired law enforcement officer with a remarkable legacy of service, leadership, and integrity. Growing up in a family deeply rooted in law enforcement in Pensacola, Florida, Booker began his public service after leaving the Marine Corps and worked his way from the only true "prison" in Florida—Florida State Prison—to the progressive and challenging Broward County Sheriff's Department. Over the course of his career, Booker earned a reputation for steadfast principles, hands-on leadership, and unwavering commitment to doing what’s right, no matter the cost. His journey includes facing the harsh realities of the correctional system, mentoring future leaders like Raymond Hicks, and providing guidance and hope to those navigating profound personal and professional trials. Takeaways: Character and Standards Matter: Booker emphasizes that maintaining your values and upholding high standards, especially in positions of authority, defines your legacy and influence as a leader. Prisons Run on Complex, Unseen Dynamics: The real-life operations and power structures inside prisons are far more nuanced and disciplined than most people realize—offering a stark contrast to TV and movie depictions. Leadership is Service and Sacrifice: True leadership is shown through mentorship, unwavering support during adversity, tough but fair accountability, and always putting integrity above personal convenience. Sound Bites: "Most people think in Florida that there's a multitude of prisons. It's only one prison in the state of Florida... everything else is a correctional facility or work camp." "At the end of the day, that's all people can judge you on is your character. Nothing else. It's your character." "If something is wrong, just know it's wrong. Nobody can tell you it's right when you know it's wrong." Mick’s Quote: "How you do small things is how you do all things." FOLLOW MICK ON:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mickunplugged/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mickunplugged/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mickunplugged LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mickhunt/Website: https://www.mickhuntofficial.com Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mick-unplugged/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: Who is Sergeant James Booker and what is his law enforcement background?
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Sounds good. Awesome. Awesome. So let's talk about Sergeant James Booker, man. Like, where'd you grow up? Like, where did this yearning to go into law enforcement start?
Well, I grew up in Pensacola, Florida. I as well come from a law enforcement background. My mother, she was in law enforcement. She retired as a major with the Escambia County Sheriff's Department. My sister, she retired as a lieutenant with the Escambia County Sheriff's Department. And my older brother, he worked for ATF and he also worked with the
as an investigator for the state's attorney's office in Pensacola as well. So that kind of got my path going because once I left the Marine Corps, you know, I wanted to stay in service. I wanted to do a part in service. I always liked to serve. That was my whole thing. And then coming from that background, seeing it as I was a young child, I said that was something that I felt
you know, I could transition into, and that was something I felt I would be good at. So when I got out of the service, um, I looked for an opportunity to, um, get into law enforcement. So I actually kind of a short story. I was. Didn't know where I was going. I was on my way to Miami because I heard a lot of things was progressive of African-Americans in Miami. So I said, well, you know what?
I loaded up my car after three months of being out of the service, didn't know where I was going. Didn't have any family. I jumped in my car and I headed south. So I actually stopped in Gainesville, Florida. And I was at this restaurant called Wags Swags, and it was a breakfast place. So I'm sitting there and I'm going to age myself for a second. I'm reading a newspaper.
So in the newspaper, they said they was hiring for correction officers. So I'm like, okay, you know what? Let me look into this. Not knowing that the place I applied for was Florida State Prison. And when I went and I did the application, they hired me the same day.
Not knowing that they was quite desperate for staff, quite desperate for someone with a background coming from the military that they were looking for. So that started my journey into the correctional process. And that was back in 1983. So that's when I started. So I stayed there, transitioned from Florida State Prison to Gainesville Road Prison. And then from Gainesville Road Prison, I then
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Chapter 2: What was Sergeant Booker's early career path into law enforcement?
I transferred into the Bride County Sheriff's Department, and I got to the Bride County Sheriff's Department in 1986, I believe, 1986. I retired recently. I've been retired now 12 years now, this September.
Alright, well, one, appreciate everything you've done. Two, congratulations on the retirement. 12 years, right? That's powerful in and of itself. I love, man, like, I'm fortunate. I've never been to prison. Hopefully never go to prison, right? But I've heard stories. What's like a prison story that you've witnessed that the average person wouldn't even believe or could even comprehend?
Well, I love to tell this thing. Most people think in Florida that there's like, you know, multitude of prisons. It's only one prison in the state of Florida. It's only one. And that's Florida State Prison. That is the only building that bears the name prison, which is Florida State Prison. Everything else is a correctional facility or it's a work camp or something of that nature.
So I actually worked at the only prison in the state of Florida. So at that prison, it was like, the very, very hardcore. And I'm like, again, I'm gonna age myself. These are guys that, as we say, stood on business, these guys, yeah, they, they were not snitches. These guys would kill you at the drop of a hat.
You know, they weren't meant something they, they, they, they truly lived by code and their, their code was serious. Um, and being a young man coming out of the military, And going into such a place and coming from a disciplined place, believe it or not, that place has real discipline within the prison community. And I don't think a lot of people understand that.
You can't do a lot of things because you're an inmate. You can't do certain things like you want to do unless you get permission. If a guy want to stab a guy, he got to get permission. He just can't go stab this guy. It doesn't work like that. I think people, when they see TV, they think, oh, this guy, You know, you see a movie and a guy stabbed a guy. No, it's not like that. It's politics.
It's big politics. And if you're from a certain part of Florida, then you're basically in that bus with those guys from Miami. Are you in part of central Florida or wherever you are? And if you're a guy coming in from another state. You got to pick a bus. And it's totally different. And I think people don't really know the dynamics that goes on there.
Because if you think about it, you got some of the most ruthless guys that you would ever know. Every guy you see on Channel 6, 7, and 5 on the 6 o'clock news that did a heinous crime, most of them ended up there. And they're all in one place. Just think about that for a minute. You got a lot of predators, a lot of psychopaths. You got a lot of mental health. You got all this in one place.
So you got to have order. And the order, they basically set the tone for what the order would be. And I know that may not sound right, but honestly, they basically ran the prisons. We just managed it. They ran it.
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Chapter 3: What is the reality of Florida State Prison and its inmate dynamics?
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So you said something, man, and I want to elaborate on it. So you said something, again, of movies, right? But you said the inmates pretty much ran the prison. Can you give us an example? Obviously not naming names or anything like that, but can you give an example of what you mean by the inmates were running the show?
Well, like I said, we won't name any names, but this particular fellow happened to be out of Miami. And this guy was in there, if I recall, he was in there for a trip of murder. And this guy had huge hands, big hands. And what they did when I was working there is guys, if you had a beef with a guy, we would actually have boxing where guys could actually box.
Well, this guy was like the champ of the prison. He was the champ of the prison. So when this guy went to take a shower, he went with an entourage of people to take a shower. I mean, this guy was like a kingpin, basically, in prison when he called the shots. He was a shot caller.
And if it was food, if it was drugs, if it was hooch, whatever moved through that bus, it had to go through him in order to move. And us working there, we knew who was who. But that's actually his question. If he can't be there, where would we send him? That was the worst of the worst. It's not like we can say, okay, we're going to send you to another camp. No, this is it.
There's no other place like this place. And I mean, that place is an amazing place. And I think you never see any documentaries on it. You never see people telling stories about it. You never see cameras there because the thing is, society really doesn't want to know.
There's more rapes, more assaults, more murders that happen at that prison than all of Bradford County, which is where the prison is located. It was assaults every single day. Every day. But it was never reported. Nothing ever got to the newspaper. Nobody never knew about the assaults. Because basically nobody really wanted to know. Right. Nobody really wanted to know.
I mean, what else are you going to do? They're already there.
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Chapter 4: How do prison politics and inmate codes influence prison life?
And so it's not a lot to do there for a young person. So the Sheriff's Department, Bradford Sheriff's Department was hiring. So I made the decision. I said, you know what, let me put an application in. And obviously the pay was a whole lot better. And so I put in and I got selected and I went down, I took the job. So that's how I ended up down in Briar County.
Awesome. Awesome. So when you said outside of Gainesville, there's a small little college and university there we're not allowed to talk about here. Go Hills and go Dogs. But for all my Bulldog fans, you know, the college I'm talking about in Gainesville, we're not allowed to talk about it. Yes. Yes. But so you're at Broward, man. So what is it like there?
Obviously, it's a different environment, right? So walk us through a little bit of the first few years of Broward and what that's like.
Getting there, the Broward Sheriff's Office was in a transition where they just built a brand new facility. So they were in need of a lot of people because, like I said, because of cocaine and all those different things, everything was exploding there. And the facilities were, you know, bigger facilities were needed for, you know, to accommodate, you know, the arrestees.
So coming in there, I came in with a lot of young people my age. And I also was there with some people that was a little bit older, but most of us are pretty much around the same age in diameter. But the good part was I had already had experience. So coming in from a prison system, coming into a jail facility was night and day. It was totally night and day where, you know, it was no discipline.
It was no because these people were coming off the street. So they weren't like, you know, acclimated to being incarcerated. I should say, you know, it's not like they were like, OK, you know what? I know what to do when I get here. Some of these people are new to the system. Some of these people have been previously, obviously, you know, we arrested.
But it wasn't the kind of structure that you would have in prison. Everybody know we eat at this time in prison. Everybody know we go do this at this time. Things in jail is fluid because people don't stay. You know, they come and go. It's transit. They bond out. They go to prison or whatever the case may be, you know. So it was always overchanging. And that's something I had to get used to.
Because when I was at prison, at the prison system, I knew I had guys that were never going home. You know, their people was coming and going. It was always going to change, you know.
But being in the jail system, it was quite different because you had a lot of laws that you had to learn, a lot of different rules you had to learn versus prison was basically set in 33-8, which that was the code that governed the prison at that particular time.
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Chapter 5: What are some memorable and impactful prison stories Sergeant Booker shares?
And he straightened that part of himself out. And Raymond was, man, let me tell you, Raymond was the type of guy at the job And you see the size of Raymond, right? You see the size. He's a massive guy. And back then, you know, guys in jail were big guys because we had weights in the jails at the time. And these guys work out.
And now that they've been working out, they want to test their strength or they want to test themselves, you know, because they feel like, okay, I've been working out. I've got to see. I've got to put this to use. Let me see what I can do with style. So a lot of times Raymond was called in because of his strength and his size.
And especially when he worked for me, I won't call any names, but I had this particular inmate. He was disrespecting one of the females. And he was saying all kinds of derogatory things to her, saying whatever he was saying to her, vulgar, you know, it was really nasty stuff.
So when I came back to work, she said, hey, Sarge, listen, this guy, he's been disrespecting me, you know, and why you been off? I said, okay, no problem. Let me talk to him. So I called Raymond down. I said, hey, I need you to come down. Come down here to the unit. Because we always use strength in numbers whenever you work in that environment. It's never one-on-one.
In this normal situation where you really don't want to use force, that's the last thing you want to do. But you always want to show a use of force. And most guys will back down when they say that use of force or when they say that use of force. So this particular guy, he decided he wanted to go ahead and he wanted to put some work in. Okay, well, you know what? Let's get at it.
And subsequently, you know, it didn't go well. Yeah. It did not go well for him. Yeah. And Raymond was always that guy that, listen, man, loyal, first to come in, always treating these guys fair with respect because he could have hurt a lot of guys. He'd be the big guy. But that wasn't his demeanor. His demeanor was not to come there and be a bully. That wasn't who he was.
And the thing about it, Raymond was the type of guy, he would help these guys. He would talk to these guys. Because a lot of these guys, he knew because he was from the community. I wasn't from the community, so I didn't know any of these guys. He knew these guys. He grew up with a lot of these guys. So he had their respect. And then a lot of times, I can call Raymond down, he can talk to a guy and
kill the situation for him. I ain't even got to deal with it. He just talked to the guy because he had that relationship. And that's the thing about working in that environment that most people don't understand. At that particular time, there was no taser. There was no shield. There was no mace. There was no stun gun. It was none of that. It was your verbal and it was hands-on.
And no one really wants to go hands-on because, you know, even if you win the fight, you still can get hurt. And no one wants to get hurt. You know? So he was very, very, very good at his job, man. The man was good. In fact, I don't know if he ever shared with you, this particular lieutenant, they was finna throw this guy off a top tier.
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Chapter 6: Why did Sergeant Booker transition from Florida State Prison to Broward County Sheriff's Department?
And then all of a sudden you as his supervisor, the person he reports to now you start getting in and I don't know how this works. So I'm going to totally give you the floor, but I can assume that before he knows something is going down, his supervisor probably knows something is going down or there's some accusations or maybe there's some things going on.
What is it for you when you hear or you see, Hey, the Raymond that you think you know isn't the Raymond that we are seeing out here or that we know.
Well, the thing is, I don't really know what all led to Raymond's accusations. But I tell you this, because all that's in a whole separate department where they do the internal affairs investigations and then they bring charges or whatever they do. So, you really don't know what's going on until it happens.
So it's not like you hear anything because it's all in a separate building and it's all internal with inside of that organization. So when the situation happened with Raymond, like myself and many of us, totally shocked because I know his character. I know the man, I know the person. And Raymond became, he became a friend just as well as a co-worker and someone I supervised.
Because like I told you earlier, I saw a lot in Raymond. Because women is the type of person, and anybody who knows Raymond and will speak the truth on Raymond, if they know him personally, they know Raymond to get you the shirt off his back. That's the type of person Raymond is. Raymond has a big heart. Raymond is a God-fearing man.
A lot of people don't even know that, that the man is very spiritually bound. He is. And when he went through that situation, it was, like I say, alarm bells went off. Because I'm like, no, that ain't my guy. You know? And it was like, no, that's not him. That's not him. You know? And so it was quite shocking, you know, when it came down. But no, no one, like I said, I didn't hear any whispers.
Like I say, 99% of investigations like that, they're going, no one knows anything. You don't know anything.
Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. did you face any backlash post arrest? No, no, no. Good stuff. Good stuff. So you said, you know, you saw it. That's not the Raymond, you know, talk about, you know, as Raymond and the family are going through it, right? Like what's on Sergeant Booker's heart at that time?
I tell you, my wife and I, we, um, when Raymond had, when Raymond had came home, um, And got an opportunity to sit down with his wife and his kids and everything. And actually, the man was destitute. I mean, you know, there's two years that he was away. And I guess whatever legal expenses that he had, it's chewed up whatever finances that they may have had.
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Chapter 7: What was Sergeant Booker's experience working at Broward County Sheriff's Office?
You know, if people would, like, totally be honest, and this is why, like, I always tell Raymond, I don't associate myself with only a few people. And I learned this in life. I learned this in life. And I always say if I took my jacket off and you could see my back, you'd see knives, lies, spoons, forks, bricks, shovels, trucks, you name it. It's all been in my back.
So I've learned, and like I share with Raymond, learn to separate yourself and only feel yourself with people who can feel you. You can't give yourself to the world because the world don't appreciate you. If you're a person that's always giving, a person know a giver, they'll use you up. Don't take advantage of that. So you got to protect yourself by saying, you know what?
I'm only going to be around people. I know if I pick up the phone and I call you and if I need $1,000, there's no question why I need it. I know the money coming. I know it's coming. And there's no question. And there's no question, hey, when you going to pay me back? No, you get it back to me when you need to.
So, I mean, that's the world that I try to let Raymond share in the fact that look at my life. You see why I don't deal with a lot of people. And I did that on purpose to get you in a place with your story that you're dealing with and what you're going through. Everybody don't need to be a part of your journey because everybody don't know what you're going through.
And like I tell him all the time, I said, Raymond, a lot of people are trying to attach themselves to you. Your story is only unique to you. And I said, people cannot help you. Because they don't know what you're going through. A lot of people, they criticize them. Oh, you've been going through this for so long. And I always told them, I said, Raymond, it's your life.
And you have to fight for your life. And when you feel you was wronged and you feel like you need to get yourself vindicated in your family, then you fight for your life. It doesn't matter what the next person say. And I said, think about this, Raymond. Think about the journey that God has put you on. You became an author of a book. You ran for public office. You got your degree.
You became a part of eternity. You've been on all different types of podcasts. You do a backpack drive every year in the community. I said, look at all the things because of what happened to you. Look at all the great things that God continuously blessing you with.
And I said, and as long as you understand that it's all a blessing and because your story is so unique, you're able to share that story with so many And I told him this just the other day when I spoke to him. I said, Raymond, I said, think about this. You got a guy out there, a young lady out there, that has probably gone through something similar like you have.
And because they heard your story, it gives them hope. It gives them direction. Because a lot of people don't know which way to go or which way to turn in order to put themselves in a position to even start the fight. That's right. So think about the reason you went through what you went through. And maybe God said that reason, it really wasn't for you.
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Chapter 8: How did Sergeant Booker meet and mentor Raymond Hicks?
Because at the end of the day, that's all people can judge you on is your character. Nothing else. It's your character. I love that.
I totally love that. I love that brother. I love you. I know that you have, even though you're retired, you've got this busy schedule. So the fact that you were able to take some time out of your day and spend time with us on make them play a podcast. I truly appreciate it, man. And anytime you want to be back on and just drop wisdom from you, I would love to have you on man.
Like, like I learned a lot from, from this conversation from a leadership perspective. Um, the insights that you have, the standards that you created and the straightforwardness that's about you. I totally appreciate that, respect that and love you, brother.
Yes, same here. And thank you for the opportunity. And like I told you earlier off mic, I really appreciate the work that you do. The podcast is something that I think will reach many and I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to speak.
All the time. All the time. Anytime you want to be back on, I promise I got you.
I promise I got you.
All right. For all the viewers and listeners, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it. Thank you.
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