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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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I do have something to tell you. Today, we have somebody very special on the pod, in the pod lab, the second pod lab.
Ashkel's pod lab. Ashkel's pod lab. Welcome to the pod lab. It's still a little bit under construction, but we're working on it. It's pretty great. We have... Whoa! Thanks, Mikey. That was badass.
We have Paul Tremblay on the pod today. Paul is the critically acclaimed New York Times bestselling author of Head Full of Ghosts, The Paul Bearers Club, Cabin at the End of the World. And actually, that one has already been adapted to a film. It's Knock at the Cabin, I believe it's called. So go check that out. And Head Full of Ghosts is going to be adapted to a movie.
So cool.
Wait for that. His newest release right here, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, which is an amazing title. It's coming out June 30th. That's wherever you can find books. We have actually already recorded with Paul and had a fucking fantastic time. He was so nice. He's phenomenal. His books are phenomenal. And I urge you to go check them out.
And we're really excited for you to see our conversation with him.
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Chapter 2: Who is Paul Tremblay and what are his notable works?
I'm Elena.
And I'm Grady Hendrix. No, wait. I'm Paul.
We said, Paul, you can be whoever you want to be today. And he chose Grady Hendrix.
Oh, yes.
This is morbid.
This is a very special Morbid. We have an amazing, we already introduced him, but I'm going to introduce him again. This is Paul Tremblay. If you don't know him, go figure it out because there's a body of work that you need to get into right now. He's an amazing writer and you're missing out if you haven't read his books. So get to it.
And also there's several adaptations that have been happening lately.
Yeah. Thank you so much. You're welcome. The most recent would be Head Full of Ghosts wrapped filming in the Dublin area, which is where actually Victorian Psycho was filmed in Ireland as well. Oh, that's cool. Virginia and I talked a little bit about. But anyway, yeah, wrapped and probably out in a year from now. Yeah, super excited.
I'm really excited for that. That's actually one of my favorite of your books. Thank you so much. I'm very excited about that.
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Chapter 3: What themes are explored in Victorian Psycho?
Inexplicable. Like, why would I try writing a story?
I love that though. That's so cool. That's how I felt too. When I first started writing my first book, I was like, I don't know how to write a story. I was like, I can't write a whole book. What am I doing?
I'll just imagine everybody feels that way when they first write something.
I feel like everyone has to feel that way in the beginning, being like, I'm not going to get to the end of this. This isn't going to be something someone reads.
Right. I'm terrible at writing advice, so I don't give it. The only thing I tell, especially to younger people, it's like, hey, hopefully you come to this realization a lot earlier than I did, but hopefully... You know, you come to the realization that it's okay to like things.
It's getting harder and harder to do that with, you know, obviously with just, you know, social media life and everyone hates everything. You know, it's okay to like things. That means it's okay to be passionate about it and maybe want to try it yourself. And I mean, that's such an important, it has to be your first step.
Yes. I'm so glad you said that because I'm constantly trying to tell my kids that. I'm like, I want to tell you now when you're young, like you can be passionately excited about things and not feel weird about it. Like don't make people feel like make you feel like you can't be all in on something. And want to do it or want to experience it or want to learn everything you can about it.
Like, I feel like we have got to a place now where, like, especially social media. Everybody wants to be the same. And everything's cringe. And it's like, that's so cringey that you're into it. It's like, stop.
I hate that. Unless they like Grady Henrik's books. Then we should really stop. Then that's cringe. I love Grady Henrik. Grady? Grady's a friend. I just like making fun of him.
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Chapter 4: How does the conversation reflect on the writing process?
He's so funny. He was really fun with the Would You Rather. So get ready for that. And actually like this kind of leads into what I wanted to talk about next. So speaking of like a love of writing and getting passionate about things, AI.
Yeah.
I have to rant with you about it because I think we feel the exact same way. Oh yeah. I, it's upsetting me so much that because like books like this, like Victorian psycho aren't going to happen with AI and it's making me crazy that it's become a thing.
And I feel like you need to go through the whole, like being inspired to write something, coming up with the idea, like working through it at some point, like reading your own writing and being like, Oh my God, I'm a genius. And then the next day reading it and being like, I'm a hack and I should never do this.
And then fighting through that feeling and coming out on the other side, like you need to have that full experience. And I feel like all of a sudden we're going to get these books that don't have that behind it. And I feel like you need that injected into the book for it to be what it needs to be.
Yeah, I have no interest in reading it. I mean, the whole idea to me is reading something or watching a movie or any other piece of art What the connection is, oh, this person felt like I did. Yeah. It feels like I do too. Right. And there will never be any of that. No. You know, with AI, nevermind that they steal our books. Exactly.
You know, and I was a part of the first lawsuit suing OpenAI on behalf of writers. I love that. For two years. It's myself, other horror leading the way. Christopher Golden, another horror writer. Yeah. in Richard Cadre and also weirdly, well, not weirdly, but like not our writer, but Sarah Silverman, we were the first four and spent two years as a part of it.
They can, there's so many lawsuits that consolidated all to one. So then like, I didn't continue because they also chose different lawyers. It was weird, but yeah, no, I mean, Yeah, I'm sorry if it makes people uncomfortable, but, like, you're not a writer or a visual artist if you're using it. You're a scab to use, like, we don't have a union, but I'm going to use union terms. You're a scab.
Exactly.
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Chapter 5: What unique aspects of Victorian high society are explored in the novel?
In and of itself. And I think it's, like, kind of flipped on its ear here because a lot of people think of Victorian high society as, like, you know...
fancy and like gilded and like everything was so like you know like they're elite they're this but she portrays them as disgusting filthy disgusting like the victorian elite are just foul yeah and i loved that it was like little things like when she's going upstairs and looking in all of their rooms and she mentions the earwax on the pillow at some point i was like oh like what
And, like, just little things, like lard was in one of their hair to keep their hair back.
The scene where they're all eating.
Yeah.
That, I think, Mikey had warned you beforehand because Elena has misophonia. So, like, hearing things, I swear you could hear it as you were reading. It was...
That was almost like a nice counterbalance to the crow meal. Like that meal was just as disgusting, even though these were things that were specially prepared. Yeah. Yeah. And how they were eating it. Oh, I know. They're just like.
Oh, it's horrifying. Like gouging it into their faces. It's so gross.
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Chapter 6: How does the setting contribute to the story's atmosphere?
And I think it's, I love that they presented it that way, that like these people look like may have all this money and they're, they have all the power. They are just as disgusting, if not more disgusting.
Than all of us.
Than everybody else. Yeah. Like, I loved that. I know.
It was almost like the servants in the house were, like, higher society than the high society people. They had it more together, I feel like.
And the high society parents of other baby you never even notice. That blew my mind. Like, attuned to, like, their own kid.
Yeah. And the fact, too, that Winifred knew that that wouldn't be an issue. She's like, yeah, I feel like she had done that before.
You know? And I was wondering, too, when she brought new baby in, I was like, what's going to happen here?
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Chapter 7: What themes of motherhood and neglect are addressed in the narrative?
Yeah, right.
Because in my head, I'm like, of course she's going to know.
That seemed like a corner impossible to write out of. It did.
It really did.
She really was just like, eh, you're not going to notice. I love it. Like, oh, yeah.
And it was part of the whole, like, look how disgusting these people are. She doesn't even know her own child. Right. And it wasn't like, oh, I picked a baby that's, like, the same size. She was like, this doesn't look like this baby at all. And not only that, it's like, it's not as big as this baby. It doesn't look like this baby. It has a mole that that baby doesn't have.
Oh, and she scrapes it off.
She just scrapes it off. I'm also like, is the baby bleeding when you return it? Like, what? Like, that outfit it was wearing was, like, covered in blood. But she's like, ah, I don't know. Like, babies, they grow up.
Like when she said, she's like, I've learned through experience that like mess looks like blood.
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Chapter 8: What are the characters' thoughts on the ambiguity of the story's events?
Very much that. Yeah.
Yeah.
And we were reading more like they were, you know, They were talking, like, when she's dressing Drusilla and getting her ready and, like, all these, like, features that they find to be desirable are all, like, features of, like, tuberculosis. Like, that's – and that was considered desirable back then.
It was, like, being super pale and, like, super frail and, you know, the flush in the cheeks and – Like, literally looking sick. Looking consumptive. Yeah.
was the cool thing and I love that she put it in there yeah because it was all very real like again the green dress like that's a thing I think she mentions the belladonna eye drops that was a thing to like dilate their pupils and they would just go blind after a while but they'd be gorgeous they'd be gorgeous you know big eyes like what but one thing I really liked about this was
in the end when Drusilla joins in and is doing all the things for days. The 12 days of Christmas. The 12 days of Christmas. And when they set them all up at the table and feed them food, they're just having a whole feast with them. I was like, this is the most fucked up thing I've ever read, and I love it.
But do you think that Drusilla actually was taking part in that, or do you think she was chained up the whole time?
Yeah, it's a great question. I loved this. I was going to ask what you thought about Drusilla at the end too. Yeah. To go back to like, you know, how much is this, how much more of this is ambiguous than maybe we think. There's a line early on the book where I think, you know, Winnie is confessing stuff. You know, she says, I fear I am succumbing to elaborate flights of fancy.
You know, this shan't be like other times or something, you know.
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