Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alayna. And this is Morbid. 🎵 This is morbid. This is morbid. This is pretty morbid. What's up, Big Red? It's been busy. Yeah, it has been busy. It's been busy. It's been good. Yeah. Everything outside of this house is pretty ratchet. But in here, pretty good. Yeah. And here, it's all right. We do want to rearrange our room a little bit.
We are going to rearrange the pod lab. And here, it's actually also pretty ratchet. Yeah, like this room specifically. Ratchet. Pretty rough. Yeah. We just got to move some stuff around. That's all. Yeah. You know, when, like, you worked at a really terrible place for a long time, and then, like, things remind you of working at that terrible... This is hypothetical.
Things remind you of working there. And then you just want to change everything about the time in your life where your room looked like that. Yeah, because when it was, like... the worst time of your life. Hypothetically. Where you were breaking down every day and crying and screaming. Yeah. And wanting to quit. That energy hangs out in a place, I think. And you can only salt the rug so much.
You can only salt the rug. You can only follow Santo the room so many times. Oh. Hypothetically, Palo Santo was keeping my life together. It was hypothetically. Hypothetically. But now that we're so happy and vibey.
Chapter 2: What happened to Olga Kupczyk after her disappearance?
The room's got to match the vibe. The room needs to be happy and vibey. It was cluttered with all the. Dankness. With our tortured souls for a little while. Yeah. Yeah. Allegedly. And what we began with that I think really made a difference was I got, Ash got me potato slippers. I did. Slippers that look like a potato with a face and two little feet.
And I've never been happier with a pair of slippers in my life. You're welcome. And so I think this is the beginning of something beautiful in here. I got croissant slippers, but I left them at home. We're wearing slippers in the office. It's a new thing. Office slippers. Office slippers, of course. I'm wearing big old cheetah ones that Drew got me and I love them.
But I also want to wear my croissant slippers. Yeah, Deb has some bear slippers. Yep, I got her bears. I have to get Mikey slippers. Some appropriate slippers. They didn't have animal ones when I, the place I was looking for a man's feet. Yeah, a man's feet. You know. But yeah, that's what we have to say to you guys. You know, that's our business for today. Get yourself some office slippers.
And when your boss says, what the fuck are you doing? Say, don't worry about it. Don't fucking worry about it. Say, allegedly, fuck off. Yeah. Just kidding. You'll get fired. Don't do that. Who gives a shit? And also continue trying to do those little romanticizing your life things. Absolutely. As the world gets crazier, get more romantic. I got a little romantic with my bedtime.
I have been, and it didn't do a lot for me last night, but like two nights ago this really helped me and I just need to get into doing it I think more consistently.
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Chapter 3: How did Elizabeth Duncan's actions lead to the annulment of Frank's marriage?
I got the hatch alarm clock. Oh, I love my Hatch Alarm. This is not an ad. It's not an ad, but they were nice enough to send us them. They did. And I was nice enough to give mine to Debbie and Mikey. And then Drew, because I knew that Drew got me one for Christmas. Yeah. I accidentally saw that on our bank statement. Anyway, I started doing the meditations, the nighttime meditations.
Yeah, they have some cool ones. And I fell asleep literally just meditating. Yeah. And I want to do it every night before bed. It's life changing. I love my sunrise alarm. And again, not an ad. No, not an ad. We're just literally loving our hatch alarm. I love them so much. And I really love the bedtime meditations. Last night, I fucked myself over because I'm trying to get more fiber in.
And I said, you know what a fun way to do that is? Let's have some fucking dark chocolate, bitch. And I had some dark chocolate before bed and I forgot that that has caffeine in it. Oh, it does. You're right. I was wide awake, wide awake. It was rough. I set my hatch alarm to, again, not an ad. I don't know why I keep saying like my hatch alarm. I set my alarm to like this Gatsby jazz, like slow.
I tried that one. Because I've been telling you guys the slow morning jazz, which I did share the playlist a bunch of times on my story, but I think people kept missing it. I feel like at this point I should just put it on my grid.
you know what you can do actually and if you don't want it on your actual grid um do a highlight oh there you go i'll try to do that so if you guys are still looking for that and i'll keep adding to it i'll put it in my highlights i'll show her how to do it yeah the the youth will show me how to do it i got you um but yeah so i there's a setting on it on the alarm that you can wake up to like slow and it's literally called like morning on west egg it's gorgeous
And it is such a good way to wake. And you can also pick like the colors that you wake up to. And seriously, this isn't an ad. Like I swear to you. People are going to be like, this is an undisclosed ad. No, we actually like have to tell you if it's an ad. It's really not. And just to end the conversation there, I'm just obsessed with it.
It's really changed shit and it makes it a lot easier to wake up in the morning. Yeah, it's little stuff like that that I think we all need. Yeah. Little things that make you happy. You know, if you can't get a hatch alarm right now, romanticize your life in other ways. Just get a pretty glass to put your drink in at dinner. Yes. In fact, one last thing before we get into this.
Did you just get new glasses? If you go, like, you can find them anywhere. They're like little, like, water carafts.
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Chapter 4: What evidence linked Elizabeth Duncan to the murder of Olga?
Oh! If you look at like an antique-y looking one and it's like the glasses on top of it, if you put it on your nightstand or even just like in your living room as like a one, it makes you drink more water. It does. Because you'll want to finish that carafe. It does. Because you don't want it sitting out. Just know that you'll be peeing in the middle of the night. You'll be peeing. Join me.
But also you will feel like a fancy like noble woman. And that's the difference between us. Noble woman slash diva. I literally almost bought one off the TikTok shop the other night, but then I was like, is this too trendy? Because it was cherry. It was like a cherry, which was cute, but I like what you're putting down over there. I like a vintage vibe.
Look at an Art Deco, Gatsby-era, 1920s-looking carafe. You can get them... pretty cheap like you can look on amazon you can look wherever you want but you can find a lot of different styles and you can make and they look so fancy and so expensive but they're not and it's just one little thing to add a little bit of whimsy and a little bit of luxury looking shit Also, I'm here to say it.
If you have a guest bedroom, put it in your guest bedroom because it says, I have my shit together. It does. I love putting together a guest bedroom when somebody's coming over and making it just like bougie as fuck. Hell yeah. I love it. Not that I ever have people over. I was going to say, I never have people over. Very rarely, but when I do, I go for it. Yeah.
So that's just little things, you know? Yeah. Because you guys said you liked like having little things to... To romanticize. To just romanticize. So that's why I'm trying to offer it whenever I can. I have these cups that I got like vintage shopping or like thrifting. And they're so pretty. They're like beveled glass. And then they have like this on the rim. It's like this thick border. Yeah.
That's like gold leaf almost. Ooh, pretty. Yeah. And I want to find more of them because I only have four. Yeah. I'm like, I need to find them. I love thrifting, but that's the only issue is that it's not mass produced and I want more of it. Because now you can find more. I know. Now you're going to be working. I know. I'm on the hunt. So if you see anything like that, let me know. It's true.
All right.
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Chapter 5: How did the police investigation unfold after Olga's body was discovered?
Let's get into it. Let's get into it. So we are still talking about the murder of Olga Kupchik. Yes. And if you didn't listen to part one and you're here for part two, that's silly. I'm not judging you, but I'll fill you in, okay? So Olga married Frank after meeting him while his mom was in the hospital where Olga was a nurse and she literally took care of his mom. Yes.
And he was like, oh my God, you're gorgeous. You're taking care of my mom. Let's date. They did. Elizabeth, Frank's mom, is obsessed with him and essentially wants to be married to him. So she hates Olga and she secretly annuls their marriage after they get married. And Frank's like acting like a poussoir. Frank is the Poussois of the century in this case. Thank you.
Olga gets pregnant in the middle of all this. And unfortunately, and incredibly sadly, she goes missing at eight months pregnant. Jesus. Now, coincidentally, Elizabeth, while she's being looked at and kind of questioned a little bit... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I first read that, I was like, what? They're just like, go home and look at these. And we're like, here's a book of criminals.
Look at them. But so she identified him in the mugshot and then didn't identify him in a lineup. But Frank had seen the mugshots and he was like, isn't that the guy literally right there? Yeah. And she was like, oh. Oh, gee whiz. I guess. But then she wouldn't sign anything. So the police were like, what's going on here? Sounds weird. They were kind of at a dead end.
And now they're frustrated by Elizabeth's stonewalling. So they went back to her friend Emma Short, the only other person who seemed to have any insight into what the fuck was going on here. Come on, Emma. Because remember, Emma would go to the Tropical Cafe who was owned by the people that Elizabeth said were blackmailing her.
So at first, Emma refused to speak to the detectives and suggested that Elizabeth had actually told her not to talk to the police about anything. Oh. But in her protests, Emma inadvertently mentioned something that caught Detective Henderson's attention. The annulment. Oh, I was waiting for that to be discovered. Yeah.
Until that point, investigators actually hadn't heard anything about an annulment. And actually, if Emma hadn't brought it up on accident, there was a good chance it actually would have gone unnoticed for probably forever, to be honest. Probably. But now that it was out, there was no going back and Emma knew it.
So Emma explained to the detectives that she only went with Elizabeth and Ralph to see the lawyer and go to the courthouse. She was there for some of it. But she insisted that she played no role in the scheme. She was simply there. I simply let it happen. Yeah, exactly. I just didn't do anything to stop it.
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Chapter 6: What were the details of the murder plot against Olga Kupczyk?
I didn't say anything to anyone. I didn't tell anybody. Yeah. So she knew all the details. And in early December, she ended up telling the police everything she knew about Elizabeth and Ralph posing as Olga and Frank.
Yeah.
Soon, the conversation shifted toward the Esquivells who owned the Tropical Cafe and the people who Elizabeth claimed was blackmailing her. The topic seemed to make Emma uncomfortable when it was brought up, not because she was just simply afraid of the blackmailers, but it seemed like she was afraid of Elizabeth, actually. Yeah, probably.
So now convinced that there was a lot more going on with this whole thing than anybody was willing to tell him, Detective Henderson suggested that they continue their conversation at the police station. And once they were there, Emma finally came out with the truth. Yeah, Emma.
So according to Emma, when the annulment failed to end Frank and Olga's relationship because Frank just didn't do anything about it, Elizabeth took the next step in her plan and she actually approached Esperanza Esquivel for help. So the very woman she's saying is blackmailing her, she turned to for help.
It was Esquivel who introduced Elizabeth to Luis Moya, who she had identified, and another man, Gus Baldonado. The plan was that the two men would kidnap Olga from the apartment and take her to Mexico, where they would kill her, mind you, she's eight months pregnant, and dump her body. This is her daughter-in-law who is eight months pregnant with her grandchild. Yeah.
But she doesn't, she's not recognizing that that baby is her grandchild. She is like, oh, Olga got pregnant by another man. But you know what? She knows it is. Absolutely she does. There's nothing in me that believes that she doesn't know that's her grandchild. Oh, no, no, no. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying, like, she's so gross that she's, like, making up all these rumors.
She is such a, that's, wow. She's a twat. Wow. She's a twat. She is. So, in fact, Emma told the detectives that Elizabeth had actually tried multiple times to find somebody to kill Olga before finally making the deal with Louis and Gus. First, if you remember, we talked about it in part one, she tried to convince a woman, Barbara Reed, to do it, throw acid in her face and throw her off a cliff.
But that fell apart when Barbara went to Frank and was like, hey, I think your mom's losing her fucking mind. Then after the annulment, she went back to Ralph Winterstein and offered him a very large sum of money, but he was like, nah, I don't want to kill anyone. But I'm also like, you also could have gone to the police. Yeah.
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Chapter 7: What role did Frank Duncan play during the trial?
So many people knew. Yeah. They should all be ashamed of themselves. So the story was obviously compelling to the detective and all the pieces seemed to fit. He was like, oh shit, we're really making headway here. But in order to arrest Elizabeth, they needed something a little more concrete.
For the time being, the district attorney in Santa Barbara asked the detectives to continue pursuing the case. And in the meantime, he was going to call the district attorney in Ventura County, Roy Gustafson. And report the fake annulment and the imprisonment and the impersonation, excuse me.
If nothing else, that would be enough to hold Elizabeth until they could track down Louis Moya and Guy Baldonado. Yeah. So the next day, Detective Henderson and his partner started rounding up Esperanza Esquivel, Louis Moya, and Gus Baldonado. Under the threat of being charged as a co-conspirator, Esperanza basically said, yeah, everything that Emma told you is true.
She was like, she approached me. She needed somebody to get rid of her daughter-in-law. I showed her Lewis and Gus, but that's where my part in all of this ended. She's like, so I'm completely innocent. Exactly. Obviously. She's like, I just introduced her to two hit men. Yeah. What was that to do? I didn't do anything else. I have a tropical cafe to run. What she did from there? Not my business.
Like, oh, okay. Okay. Did you think they were just going for coffee? Like, what the fuck, everybody? You knew everything that was happening. What's wrong with everybody here? Agreed. She also informed them of one other detail. In exchange for Olga's murder, Elizabeth offered the two men $6,000. Jesus. Which is a little more than $67,000 today.
Which, like, it's a lot of money, but, like, to kill somebody? Yeah. Hello? Hello? When he got back to his desk, Henderson found a note from a patrol officer in the traffic division asking that he return his call. So the officer told Henderson he was holding a guy named Chico Rojo on a DUI, and Rojo actually seemed to know something about Gus Baldonado. There are so many people involved in this.
It's a lot of people. According to Rojo, he had loaned his car to Baldonado and Moya a few weeks earlier, and when they returned it, the upholstery in the backseat was ripped and burned.
Oh, my God.
At the time, the car was at the impound lot because obviously the guy was drinking and driving. But when they went to take a look, the backseat had definitely been destroyed. But it was obvious from the specks of dried blood that somebody had clearly tried to get rid of evidence.
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Chapter 8: How did the jury react to the evidence presented in court?
So while investigators kept putting the pieces together and going over the growing body of evidence, Henderson and his partner went to Frank Duncan's house and arrested his mother. Good. Yeah. The following day, Elizabeth was charged with four felony counts, including charges of fraud, forgery, and impersonation.
despite the evidence against her she refused to cooperate which i'm sure is so hard to believe she's a bitch and she just said that she was innocent and was being blackmailed yeah she didn't even say she was a bitch no she just but you know what we know we knew it she's a bitch yeah so elizabeth duncan might not have been talking but her co-conspirators were a lot more forthcoming of course
Having been identified by Emma Short and Esperanza Esquivel as one of the men hired by Elizabeth to get rid of Olga, and also having now been linked to the bloody vehicle, it didn't take long for Gus to confess and implicate everybody else. Oh, yeah. According to Gus Baldonado, he and Lewis met with Elizabeth, who was with Emma, by the way. So Emma knew about this.
They're always trying to get themselves further away from it. And I'm like, you're going to get caught. It's like you were literally there. They met at the Tropical Cafe on November 13th. And they established that she would pay them $3,000 when they killed Olga and another $3,000 within three to six months, like when she could get the money. What a complete piece of shit. Truly. All of them. Yeah.
The plan was that they would kidnap Olga from her apartment and take her to Tijuana where they would kill her and dump the body. An eight-month pregnant woman. Yep. So on the night of November 17th, after Olga's friends left for the night, Louis and Gus went to her apartment and Louis went up and knocked on the door, which is where the landlord or the landlady heard the footsteps.
Oh, yeah.
When Olga came to the door, Louis told her Frank was in the car and he was really drunk and they needed help getting him inside. So they preyed upon her. And also... No grown men need your help. Nope. No, no. Especially when you're eight months pregnant. Hell no. Nope. But obviously she's worried about her fiance. Yeah, this is not her fault. She's worried about her husband. Yeah.
So she's like, oh shit, like let me help you. Yeah. So in the car, Gus was sitting in the backseat posing as Frank. But when Olga got down to the car and opened the door in the back, Louis hit her in the back of the head with the butt of his gun and Gus pulled her into the backseat as Louis drove away. This is... So violent. It is.
Along the way, they stopped the car because she was struggling so much that Lewis hit her again with the gun and then taped her hands, ankles, and mouth. She went through hell. So they planned to drive her to Mexico, but they had car trouble when they reached Ventura County. So they stopped in Ojai and pulled the car off the road by Casitas Pass, a culvert that ran under the road.
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