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Murder on the Towpath with Soledad O’Brien

Married to the Law

Wed, 30 Apr 2025

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Dovey Johnson Roundtree became a lawyer at a time when no one wanted Black women to amount to anything. She’d grown up with the KKK terrorizing her neighborhood. A lucky break landed her at Spelman. Her intellect got her into Howard Law. But it was her courage that made her take on the daunting case of Ray Crump Jr. — the Black man accused of killing Mary Pinchot Meyer.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Chapter 1: Who was Dovey Johnson Roundtree and why is her story important?

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Predisposition to depression, alcohol abuse, and suicide.

Chapter 2: What were the racial and social challenges faced by Ray Crump Jr. during his trial?

2714.296 - 2738.195 Soledad O'Brien

She wanted to do something about it. That's how she ended up at Howard University School of Law. In 1947, she was just one of five women in her class. Not everyone was thrilled that Dovey had arrived. On her first day, when she registered for classes, the receptionist asked her if she was registering for her husband or her brother. The message was clear. She didn't belong there.

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2738.916 - 2746.324 Charlene Pritchett-Stevenson

You ain't married to nobody but the law. I tell a lot of women law students that. We took men's places.

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2746.901 - 2763.813 Soledad O'Brien

And Dovey being Dovey, while she was attending law school, battling racism and sexism, she also had two part-time jobs. Eventually, her male classmates couldn't help but notice she was brilliant. Dovey said they actually asked to study with her.

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2764.312 - 2776.778 Charlene Pritchett-Stevenson

I got me a nice little apartment. Everything's going on well. And here they say, Robin, where you study at? I said, I study in my home. Where you study at? Because you seem to have a grip on this thing. I said, bring your own sandwiches.

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2777.378 - 2800.916 Soledad O'Brien

She did have a grip on the law. Every week, Dovey and about six other students met at her house to study together. Dovey graduated in 1950. It was one of the proudest moments in her life. But even graduation was bittersweet. Yes, she had achieved, but how far had she come given that segregation was still the law of the land?

2801.817 - 2824.96 Soledad O'Brien

By now, Grandma Rachel was in her 80s, but she wouldn't miss Dovey getting her diploma. Rachel and Leela took the train up from North Carolina to attend the ceremony. Dovey went to Union Station to meet them. As soon as Dovey saw her mom and her grandmother, she knew something was wrong. Grandma Rachel was crying. Trouble had found them on the train.

2826.024 - 2848.973 Soledad O'Brien

Dovey reserved seats for her family, but by the time they got there, all of the seats in the black car were taken, packed with families. Luggage was overflowing onto the aisle. Meanwhile, the white seats were half empty. When they went to sit there, the conductor yelled at them. He refused to honor their reserved seats. So they put them in the back.

2849.353 - 2854.135 Soledad O'Brien

They had to go back to the black section of the train and stand for the 10-hour ride.

2854.611 - 2864.219 Charlene Pritchett-Stevenson

I can't even imagine how it would feel that you're with your children and someone humiliates you in front of them and there is nothing that you can do.

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