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Take the FU our of the FOLLOW UP - Tom Chenault

04 May 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Tom Chenault is the most connected leader in all of network marketing! He has attended countless leader of leaders masterminds.ย  He is on the ANMP bo...

SIMPLE strategies to rebuild when everything FALLS apart with Wendy Bakke

30 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Wendy has so much insight and perspective on this profession.ย  She is the QUEEN at breaking down complex systems and simplifying them.ย She gives pri...

WHY most people FAIL in Network Marketing with The Legend Todd Falcone

27 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Todd is one of the most known names in all of network marketing. He is an incredible trainer and keynote speaker.ย  He has 3.5 decades of experience.ย ...

Built to Last | Chapter 1: Leadership Presence

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Leadership is not about having all the answers. It is about showing up when people need you most. This chapter explores how presence builds trust, str...

Built to Last | Chapter 2: Products

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Great companies are built around products people genuinely believe in. This chapter breaks down why product trust drives retention, duplication, and l...

Built to Last | Chapter 3: Culture

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Culture is more than events or slogans. It is what people feel and what gets reinforced every day. This chapter shows how healthy culture creates loya...

Built to Last | Chapter 4: Compensation

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

A compensation plan can support momentum, but it cannot create belief on its own. This chapter explores how the right structure rewards the right beha...

Built to Last | Chapter 5: Recognition

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

What you celebrate shapes what your culture becomes. This chapter shows how meaningful recognition fuels belief, loyalty, and performance. Rob explain...

Built to Last | Chapter 6: Leadership Development

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Lasting companies do not rely on stars. They develop leaders. This chapter explores how leadership development creates duplication, depth, and long-te...

Built to Last | Chapter 7: Personal Development

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Strong businesses are built by growing people first. This chapter shows how personal development strengthens confidence, leadership, and long-term suc...

Built to Last | Chapter 8: Retention

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Growth means little without retention. This chapter explores why keeping customers and leaders engaged is one of the clearest signs of a healthy compa...

Built to Last | Chapter 9: Events

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Events do more than inform. They create belief people can feel. This chapter explores how powerful events deepen culture, strengthen vision, and accel...

Built to Last | Chapter 10: International Expansion

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Expanding globally takes more than opening new markets. It takes trust, intention, and cultural understanding. This chapter explores how companies gro...

Built to Last | Chapter 11: Infrastructure and Tools

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Strong systems should support people, not replace relationships. This chapter explores how the right tools create simplicity, duplication, and scale. ...

Built to Last | Chapter 12: Compliance as Competitive Advantage

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Compliance is often misunderstood, but done right it builds trust and protects growth. This chapter shows how strong compliance can become a competiti...

Built to Last | Chapter 13: Building for Legacy

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Legacy is built through the way a company grows, not just how big it becomes. This chapter explores the principles behind building something sustainab...

Built to Last | Chapter 14: The Legacy Play

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

The strongest companies build for something bigger than short-term success. This chapter focuses on creating impact that outlives individuals and mome...

Built to Last | Chapter 15: Lock It In

26 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

ย Ideas only matter when they become action. This chapter brings the principles of the book together and focuses on implementation. Rob shows how to t...

Hope marketing vs visionary strategy with Ziya ลžakir Yฤฑlmaz

23 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Ziya gives some tough love!ย  Hope marketing is where so many in our profession screw up.HOPE is irrelevant! The system is everything.ย Ziya is a top ...

You don't have to sell your SOUL to build a six-figure NWM business - Lori Hayes

20 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Lori has 25 years of experience.She built both the right and wrong way.ย  Lori did the whole sacrifice everything to have success but later learned ho...

How to build MOMENTUM when you feel STUCK - Jennifer Stroman

16 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

How to build MOMENTUM when you feel STUCK!Jennifer is a top leader and been through the highest of highs and lowest of lows.She knows the emotional ro...

How to sell yourself and become unstoppable with legend Cassie Rowan

12 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Cassie breaks down her formula on how to recruit yourself and become unstoppable. Cassie took a year and half off in the business. She came back and b...

Why Your Prospects Arenโ€™t Signing Up with Joan Robison

08 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

If people are watchingโ€ฆ but not joiningโ€ฆ this is the episode you need.In this conversation with Joan Robison she breaks down whatโ€™s really going...

The Turning Point That Took Them to Millions with Dr. Lenika Scott and Gregg Scott

06 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Everyone wants to hit the next level.Very few can clearly explain what actually changed when they did.Dr. Lenika Scott and Gregg ScottBest-selling aut...

The Launch Formula Most Leaders Are Missing with Megan Medina

01 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most people know how to create excitement.Very few know how to create momentum that actually lasts.In this episode, Megan Medina, 13-year network mark...

The One Habit Behind 30 Years of Six-Figure Success - Michelle Barnes

30 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Success once can be luck.ย Success repeated for decades is a system.In this episode, Michelle Barnes shares the single habit that allowed her to earn ...

Identity, Discipline, and Authenticity: The Foundation of Top Earners - Ray Allen

25 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Success at the highest levels isnโ€™t accidental.ย Itโ€™s built through identity, discipline, and authenticity over time.In this episode, Ray Allen go...

My Top 3 Tips to Hit the Top Rank in Your Company - Melissa Salaman

23 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Every company has a top rank.ย Very few leaders actually reach it.In this episode, Melissa Salaman shares the three most important lessons that helped...

The 3 Belief Shifts Required for Your Next Breakthrough - Richard Stock

18 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Belief gets talked about so often that many leaders start tuning it out.Until they realize progress stops without it.In this episode, Richard Stock br...

The exact formula to become one of the top recruiters in YOUR company - Kerri Borba

17 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

I get real numbers and real frameworks in this interview!ย We break it down on old school vs new school.Warm vs Cold Contacts.ย I ask specifically how...

How to Recruit 1โ€“2 People Every Week for 24 Years - Craig White

16 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most leaders recruit in bursts.ย Craig White built a system that works every week.In this episode, Craig White shares how he has consistently recruite...

World-Class Excellence: Learning the Game of Network Marketing - Leslie Hocker

11 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

The people who win long term in this profession usually arenโ€™t the loudest, smartest, or most naturally talented.They simply learn how to play the g...

The Coffee Break Formula: Building a Business When Youโ€™re Busy - Katie Moir

09 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

One of the biggest myths in this profession is that you need more time to succeed.In this episode, Katie Moir shares how she built her business during...

Identity: The Space Between Who You Are and What You Do -Mogens Olsen

04 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most people think they have an action problem.ย What they actually have is an identity gap.In this episode, Mogens Olsen delivers one of the deepest c...

Donโ€™t Make It Weird: 4 Words That Doubled My Recruiting - Jen Furness

03 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most people donโ€™t struggle with recruiting because they lack effort.ย They struggle because they make it awkward.In this episode, Jen Furness shares...

Why Most Follow-Up Fails and What to Do Instead - Jenn Cooper

02 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most follow-up doesnโ€™t fail because people forget.ย It fails because itโ€™s disconnected from the sales process.In this episode, Jenn Cooper, one of...

47 Years of Lessons: Why the Basics Still Win - Elaine Lynas

25 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Success in this profession isnโ€™t complicated.ย Itโ€™s just not easy.In this episode, Elaine Lynas, with 47 years of experience, shares the simple bu...

Fishers of Men: Why Recruiting Is the Real Work - Ed Wiens

24 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Every business runs on one thing.ย People.In this episode, Ed Wiens breaks down why recruiting isnโ€™t a phase, a season, or a skill you outgrow. Itโ€™...

Start With Their WHY: 40 Years of Lessons in Network Marketing - Donna Johnson

23 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most leaders talk about purpose.ย Very few know how to transfer it.In this episode, Donna Johnson, with over 40 years in this profession, breaks down ...

Get Out of the Way: The Fear That Keeps Leaders From Real Work - Natalie Robison

18 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most people arenโ€™t stuck because they donโ€™t know what to do.ย Theyโ€™re stuck because theyโ€™re avoiding it.In this episode, Natalie Robison, one ...

Melissa Corvin From Dreamer to Earner- The 3 Strategies Behind Her $5 Million Journey

17 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most people have big goals. Very few turn them into earned results.In this episode, Melissa Corvin breaks down the exact shift she had to make to go f...

Why Retention Is the Difference Between a Real Business and Starting Over Every Month - Holly Highfield

16 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most leaders donโ€™t realize theyโ€™re rebuilding their business every single month.Same activity. Same effort. Same exhaustion.ย But nothing compound...

Christine Marie: The 3-Step Instagram Growth Framework That Took Me from 0 to 418K in 22 Months | The 100K Project

11 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

The 100K Project | New EpisodeThe 100K Project features earners who have built a minimum of six figures annually through consistency and execution.Thi...

Carrie Marshall: 3 Strategies to Build a Successful Business | The 100K Project

10 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

The 100K Project | New EpisodeThe 100K Project features earners who have built a minimum of six figures annually through consistency and execution.Thi...

Brennan Gassaway: The Leadership Playbook That Took Me from Six to Seven Figures | The 100K Project

09 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

The 100K Project | New EpisodeThe 100K Project features earners who have built a minimum of six figures annually, with many scaling far beyond that.Th...

Andre & Andrea Ebert: Building to Six Figures from the Inside Out | The 100K Project

05 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

The 100K Project features earners who have built a minimum of six figures annually through consistency and execution.This episode features Andre and A...

Allan Blain: Accelerate Your Recruiting with Vision Casting | The 100K Project

04 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

The 100K Project features earners who have built a minimum of six figures annually through consistency and execution.This episode features Allan Blain...

Brian Carruthers on the 3 Breakthroughs That Built a 27-Year Career | The 100K Project

03 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

The 100K Project features proven earners who have built six and seven figure income streams through consistency, not noise.Every guest earns a minimum...

Why Most People Quit Before It Works with James Zheng | The 3 Silent Killers of Success

02 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Weโ€™re kicking off a new series focused on real earners and real execution.This is The 100K Project.Every guest earns a minimum of six figures annual...

The One Thing Leaders Are Asking for Right Now (And How I Built It)

27 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

I talk to leaders every week.ย Six figures. Multiple six figures. Big teams. Big titles.And almost all of them are asking for the same thing.Not motiv...

Stable is the new SEXY with Robby Fender

19 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Everyone wants momentum.ย Almost nobody is building stability.And thatโ€™s why most leaders flame out right when it starts working.This episode is a h...

The Illusion of Leadership: Why Half the โ€œLeadersโ€ in This Profession Arenโ€™t Leading

12 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Most people in this profession are carrying a title, not leading a team.ย And thatโ€™s the illusion.You can keep your rank and lose your relevance.ย Y...

How Puya Ghandian Rebuilt Momentum After His Business Had a Massive Decline: $1B in Revenue, 2,000 Millionaires, and One Decision

05 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Puyaโ€™s teams have done over $1 billion in revenue. Heโ€™s helped 2,000 people earn over $1 million and more than 10 leaders earn over $5 million.But...

Why Claudia Lattner Couldnโ€™t Duplicate Anythingโ€ฆ Until She Built a System

29 Dec 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Most people only see Claudia Lattner today.ย Top 1 percent leader.ย Featured in Leadership Unlocked. Over 20,000 people on her team. Clear systems. Cl...

Why Network Marketing Stalledโ€ฆ And How Leadership Development Brings It Back

22 Dec 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This episode is about something almost everyone in direct selling feels but very few talk about directly.The profession stalled because we stopped dev...

Jeff Olson: Why Network Marketing Stalledโ€ฆ And How We Start Winning Again

15 Dec 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Jeff Olson doesnโ€™t need an introduction in this profession, but Iโ€™ll give you one anyway.Thirty seven years in.ย Top of two companies.ย Built mass...

Confidence, Clarity, and the Courage to Be Seen with Leslie Hocker and Lisa Grimolfson

09 Dec 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This one hits two sides of leadership that every builder needs.I sat down with Leslie Hocker and Lisa Grimolfson to unpack the mindset work leaders av...

Your Brain Is Full: The Focus Framework That Creates Real Results with Stefano Orrรน

02 Dec 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, I sit down with Stefano Orrรน to talk about one of the biggest killers of progress in our profession โ€” overwhelm.Stefano breaks dow...

Identity and Leadership with Mogens and Rebecca Olsen

24 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This episode cuts straight to the foundation of success โ€” identity.I sat down with Mogens and Rebecca Olsen, contributors to Leadership Unlocked, to...

Beast Mode with Balance: Building Freedom That Lasts with Jane Freund

17 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This episode hits home for every leader whoโ€™s ever felt torn between growth and family.I sat down with Jane Freund, one of the contributors to Leade...

Leadership Lessons from the Top 1% with Karen Dwire, Sue Williams, and Elina Carblom

13 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This one is packed with wisdom. These leaders are from all over the world.ย I sat down with Karen Dwire, Sue Williams, and Elina Carblom to talk about...

Unlocking Leadership with Leonor Sobral Faria

09 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This conversation hits different.I sat down with Leonor Sobral Faria, one of the powerhouse contributors to Leadership Unlocked, to dive into her chap...

Leadership Unlocked: What the Top 1% in Network Marketing Do Differently

06 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This oneโ€™s special.Frazer and I sat down with three incredible leaders โ€” Laura Lipinski, Puskรกs Imola Flรณra, and Karen Clark โ€” to talk about w...

The 3 Gaps Top Leaders Arenโ€™t Talking About (But Should Be)

03 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Even the most successful leaders hit a wall.In this episode, Rob breaks down the three gaps top earners in network marketing are finally admitting qui...

5 TIPS for Mastering the Follow Up

27 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

If you aren't following up with potential distributors and customers, you are literally leaving money on the table every month!!Most distributors...

HOT SEAT: Your Direct Sales Business Questions Answered!

20 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

As you work your business and hit a roadblock, do you ever wonder what Rob Sperry would do? What would he say if he were faced with your challenges or...

When it comes to your Network Marketing Business, how mentally strong are you when facing the unexpected?

13 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We are currently facing challenges and obstacles that we've never seen before in our world, in our nation, or in our businesses. Network Marketin...

THIS is a GIANT disservice to the Network Marketing Industry, yet it's so COMMON

06 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Even though heโ€™s been dealing with a cold, Rob brings you this important information about something he feels is a GIANT disservice to the Network M...

The #1 Reason You Aren't Performing as Well as You'd Hoped in Your Network Marketing Business

29 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Reflecting on the sudden passing of Kobe Bryant, Rob really gets to the heart of what holds so many of us back from stepping into greatness and truly ...

Old School vs. New School Network Marketing

22 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Network Marketing is nothing new.But, since the introduction of the Internet and social media, many of the ideas and principles behind network marketi...

Interview with Industry Leader, Tyler Dickerhoof, Who Shares TIPS on Customer Retention and MORE

15 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Many in the Network Marketing industry are looking to build something that not only continues to grow, but they're looking to build something tha...

The Direct vs the Indirect Approach? Which Works Better?

10 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Rob answers one of the toughest questions about when to use the Direct vs. the Indirect Approach when it comes to talking to potentia...

Have you read the most important book in all of Network Marketing?!

01 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

I am telling you this book is the most important book in our profession!You can listen to it for free on the new podcastย https://www.builttolastpodca...

Unlock 6 Figure Strategies in Today's Economy

25 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Very rarely do I have on more than 1 guest but in this episode we get several superstars give us their top strategies on how to Unlock 6 Figure Strate...

Strength or Struggle? Magaliโ€™s Deep Dive into Mindset, Programming & Psychology in Network Marketing

18 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this thought-provoking episode of Network Marketing Breakthroughs with Rob Sperry, I sit down with Magali โ€” a network marketing veteran of 11 yea...

Authoring Your Brand: A Deep Dive into Personal Branding and Publishing

11 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Join Rob Sperry on "Network Marketing Breakthroughs" as we dive into the essentials of becoming an author and shaping your personal brand.ย ...

Own Your Voice, Own Your Future: How Nicolette Anderson Inspires Action and Mastery Through Storytelling

04 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode of Network Marketing Breakthroughs with Rob Sperry, I sit down with Nicolette Anderson โ€” a former teacher turned powerhouse leader i...

From Critical Condition to Unstoppable: Nicole Crowley on Vision, Resilience, and Empowering Others

28 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this powerful episode of Network Marketing Breakthroughs with Rob Sperry, I sit down with Nicole Crowley โ€” a woman whose story will move and moti...

Business First: How Danielle Caffaro Skyrocketed in 18 Months by Leading with Opportunity

21 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode of Network Marketing Breakthroughs with Rob Sperry, I sit down with rising star Danielle Caffaro, whoโ€™s built explosive success in j...

The Talent and Necessity of Casting Vision with Amber Gustowski

14 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We discuss a variety of topics. From having GRIT to be a visionary.ย Amber has 3 kids and a fourth on the way. It is crazy inspiring to see how she fa...

Empowering Ambitious Women in NWM with Misty Lavertu

07 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Empowering Ambitious Women in NWM with Misty Lavertu. She helps women breakthrough that ceiling were they get stuck!

You donโ€™t need a 22 step morning routine to have success in network marketing

30 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

You donโ€™t need a 22-step morning routine, cold plunge at 4:59am, ayahuasca retreat, or some cosmic green drink to grow your business.Most of us who ...

The state of network marketing right now update

23 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

hereโ€™s your real-time State of the Profession update.No fluff. No spin. Just real perspective.In the last two years, weโ€™ve seen some big-name comp...

Why network marketing companies FAIL

16 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Why network marketing companies FAILThis is an in depth education episode on network marketing!Listen upโ€”go to www.rankandbanksystem.com right now. ...

๐™ˆ๐™ช๐™ก๐™ฉ๐™ž๐™ฅ๐™ก๐™ฎ ๐™”๐™ค๐™ช๐™ง ๐˜ฝ๐™ช๐™จ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™š๐™จ๐™จ with Sarah Robbins who built billion-dollar sales team for almost 2 decades

11 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

My friend Sarah Robbins just released a bookโ€”and itโ€™s not just another story about successโ€ฆ itโ€™s a ๐˜š๐˜ ๐˜š๐˜›๐˜Œ๐˜” to create it.After...

47 years in NWM! Elaine Lynas. Find YOUR VOICE in NWM to level up

09 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

ย Find YOUR VOICE in NWM to level upListen upโ€”go to www.rankandbanksystem.com right now. Why? Because if your network marketing check isnโ€™t where ...

I asked LEADERS if they ever considered quitting . I will read their comments

02 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

I asked a group of 1700 top leaders this question.ย Leaders have you ever considered quitting?The comments are very insightful.ย Listen upโ€”go to www...

Why didnโ€™t network marketing explode after the pandemic?

26 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Iโ€™ve been asked this question a lot latelyโ€ฆโ€œWhy didnโ€™t network marketing EXPLODE from the pandemic and recession, like so many expected? Why a...

My one SPEECH that bombed!

19 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

My ONE SPEECH THAT BOMBEDย Over the last five years, Iโ€™ve really dialed in my speaking.Not just because Iโ€™ve been on hundreds of stagesโ€”but beca...

Everything Rises and Falls on Leadership with 24 year Network Marketing Veteran Craig White!

15 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Let's level up your leadership to grow your business.Craig has successfully launched multiple countries in just the last 18 months.ย  He has the ...

80% of network marketing leaders do this wrong on social media

12 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

I hope this post comes across the right way because itโ€™s 100% coming from a place of trying to help.I know branding and value sounds like common sen...

Cult vs Culture in Network Marketing!

08 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Youโ€™re part of an amazing culture, not a cult.And that distinction matters.Itโ€™s good to be proud of your company.Itโ€™s good to believe in the vis...

Why SUCCESS is a Numbers Game and What That Really Means in Network Marketing

05 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

If you've been in Network Marketing for any length of time, you've probably heard that success in this business is a "numbers game.&quo...

Income Producing Activities with Beth Holden Graves

01 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This episode is part 2 of interview with Network Marketing Industry Leader, Beth Graves. She is a million-dollar within her company and has grown an o...

Become a Leader of Leaders by Learning How an Expert Could Accurately Predict Divorces by 93%

30 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

What do marriage and your Network Marketing Business have in common? In this episode, Rob discusses the top 4 causes of divorce and the importance of ...

My BEST viral video strategies that work

29 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

These are strategies that have been tested and work!ย Listen upโ€”go to www.rankandbanksystem.com right now. Why? Because if your network marketing ch...

Business & Industry Trends with Donna Johnson

28 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Donna Johnson and I go into the latest drama in network marketing as well as the direction we are headed.ย  We give you a very realistic view! Donna h...

Interview with one of the best social media coaches out there! Coach Brian Fryer

24 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Coach Fryer is one of my very best friends. We get to talk daily about the best strategies and what's working.ย  This is an in depth analysis on ...

John Addison had the MOST successful IPO in all of network marketing

23 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

John is one of the most known successful CEO's in all of network marketing.ย  I couldn't stop taking notes. He gives next level leadership t...

John Melton - Leverage Social Media FB Groups to 10x Your Business!

22 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

John Melton has been one of the very top earners in all of network marketing! He is one of the few that built old school and then learned how to lever...

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