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Chapter 1: What do the May election results mean for Keir Starmer?
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I think it's my turn to go first because you two have been like beer moths, or moths, really. You've just kept going and going through the night. Are you calling me a behemoth? Well, you and Chris, you've just done a sterling hours and hours. Thank you. I'm all for the Paddy one-man show. Take it away. No, I mean you've done hours and hours of broadcasting, Chris.
Well, there is that, but you know... This is the kind of time of year where Laura and I and others, you know, just try and keep on going, really, because there's so much to talk about, isn't there? There's so much intrigue. There's so much. And particularly with this set of elections, there's just so many different storylines, aren't there? There certainly are. And it's election time.
And that means that we stay up for a long time. Laura gets very excited by her flipper. I had four flippers this year. Do you have a cheap... Well, Laura, you can explain your flipper. They're my photo albums that are full of all my alphabetised fun facts about all the different council seats or constituencies if it's a general election flipper. It's like a file of facts.
They're old photo albums and you have to get them on a website that sells old things because you can't get them in the shops anymore. And then you can flick between them without having paper scattered all over the desk and then you've lost the one from Tameside or whatever. Exactly. I love the fact that our youngest newscaster does not know what A, a file of facts is and B, a photo album.
Shall we get on with it?
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Chapter 2: How are Labour MPs reacting to Keir Starmer's leadership?
I love the idea, by the way, of a declaration at one in the morning for something that wasn't an overnight count. That was like to count during the day. And yet it ends up ending at kind of the time you might expect a result when, you know, you'd started counting just after the polls had closed at 10. But yeah, I think the ticker is a good way of describing it, Laura.
So towards the tail end of yesterday afternoon and into the evening, there was a kind of trickle. of Labour MPs, some of whom who had been public in the past about concerns about Keir Starmer, others who hadn't, who were saying, as you say, broadly similar arguments around their desire for the prime minister to set out some sort of timetable for his departure.
Most of them were not saying words to the effect of he should sort of pack his suitcase this weekend. but suggesting that, yeah, he shouldn't be around for all that long. And then this morning, Saturday morning on the Today programme, hearing from Debbie Abrahams and also from Clive Betts. Clive Betts, long-standing Labour MP, been in Parliament since the 1990s.
And in particular, I thought what was striking, and I've heard this so many times from Labour MPs privately, and they don't say it with any sense of...
kind of enthusiasm or venom towards the Prime Minister personally, but they just recount over and over again stories of being on the doorstep and when they ask people who have voted Labour recently why they wouldn't have done this week or they weren't willing to do this week, so often they say it was Keir Starmer's name that was coming back to them, that sense that he was a drag anchor, if you like, or hauling the party backwards rather than anything positive.
And you've been speaking to the Prime Minister. Yeah, so he did a thing. It's interesting, yesterday they were suggesting that he wasn't going to be around and about today, which I didn't really believe at the time. And sure enough, here he was. And you can see from his perspective why they wanted to have him out and about, because otherwise there'd be something of a vacuum. He was in Wimbledon.
So we were at the home of AFC Wimbledon, quite a fine little sports ground, AFC Wimbledon. And not an accident that he was there. Wimbledon is in Wimbledon.
merton the borough of merton in southwest london which was a a rare bright spot for labor they actually went forwards they gained a seat um in uh merton so he was meeting labor activists working the tables usual format that he does he likes going to smaller football clubs as well that's one of his things has a cup of tea at each table does the selfies all that kind of stuff and then did what's known as a pool interview where one broadcaster on behalf of
All of the broadcasters asked four or five questions. It's not a long interview. And, yeah, I think... Can we play a little bit of what he was saying?
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Chapter 3: What role does Gordon Brown play in Starmer's strategy?
Why is that remotely the answer to a almost uniform rejection of the Labour Party in former Brexit voting areas? Why is that the answer? And I think we're in a situation now where the... Pressure is very, very, very much on Keir Starmer as an individual to show that he can improve his performance and to show that he can do better.
And one senior minister said to me in the last couple of days, over to you, Keir, is what they said. That's the sense that I'm picking up, is not people in their hordes trying to push him for the exit. But it's like, right, you have a chance here, but we need to see... And here that you can do things differently. That's what union leaders are saying. They've demanded a meeting with him this week.
They put out a very strongly worded statement. Some of them want to definitely see him go. Some of them want to give him one more chance. And I think that's kind of where we're at. And the pressure is intensely on him. And we thought this might be where we were at last weekend.
And I still sort of got those two questions in my head that where is the evidence that Keir Starmer actually can do things differently and improve his performance? Now, one cabinet minister said, look, actually, he's the most adaptable person and he's an extraordinary survivor. You know, he's incredibly resilient. He knows he's really in the doo-doo. Worked for Jeremy Corbyn, then sacked him.
Right. Worked for Jeremy Corbyn, then sacked him. Worked with Morgan McSweeney, then sacked him. Worked with Sue Gray, then sacked her. All of those things. But whether the prime minister is capable of really upping his own game, right? Where's the evidence of that? I don't know. He's done lots of things like sacking people.
But actually, where's the evidence that he can really change his government's performance? As a couple of MPs have said to me this morning and in the last 24 hours last night as well, from their perspective, their fear is that these interventions make things worse, not better. Because they see there was a lot of grumbling about the article in his name in The Guardian this morning.
and let's see how what he was saying to me in that pool exchange goes down because certainly the perspective from some after what he said yesterday morning was that it was doubling down in the minds of some Labour MPs their fears about a lack of capacity to change in the way that they would like rather than it being this new incarnation.
You can become a Prime Minister in the United Kingdom without a general election and one man who did that was Gordon Brown. And it's quite common for this to happen. John Major did it as well. And Gordon Brown went to see Keir Starmer today through the front door of Number 10. I nearly fell off my chair.
So if you want as a government to look like you are surging forward, promising change, you're going to be different, you're addressing the future, you're cracking on... Bringing back someone who was in power 16 years ago and who lost an election, I don't really see what the question is that Gordon Brown is the answer to.
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Chapter 4: How does Keir Starmer plan to address the election setbacks?
And then there's an associated video clip. that Downing Street has posted of them wandering around in the Downing Street garden with Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, in the mix. It looks like she's marrying them. It does, doesn't it? One of the stills. They do look like a couple, don't they? Gordon Brown and Keir Starmer.
But isn't that the danger, right?
Because people will... I mean, look, I would have thought that within minutes, people online and certainly opposition politicians have got an absolute gift to say, look, well, here's Keir Starmer, who...
Many people would say, whether in sorrow or anger, as a failing prime minister, standing on Downing Street steps with someone who is a failed Labour prime minister, although very well respected for other reasons in his handling of the global financial crisis. Can I just read you, though, my favourite quote of the day?
Because as we know, I spend lots of time on Fridays and Saturdays getting quotes from people. This is about the appearance of Gordon Brown. Rumour is they brought a Ouija board through the Green Bay's door to consult Clement Harold, referring to Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson. Because here's another, I'll give you a sliding doors moment where I've been in charge and I've picked someone else.
I'd vote for you.
No, not as Prime Minister. I've been in charge of today's choreography for the Prime Minister. I put another guest on the steps of number 10. Who? Andy Burnham. Well, there you are. So Andy Burnham has not made himself available for interviews all weekend. But I put it out there because it's peacemaking. It's leadership. Lead, follow or get out of the way.
It's saying, I know that I know I've got to meet this man sometime. So I'm going to meet him the day after when there's lots of calls. And that would answer the timetable question. It would show leadership. And why aren't I running number 10 is my question. I wish you were. I would vote for you Paddy. What would your party be called? The Wombles. You've got my vote. Go on, Chris.
Then you could go to Wimbledon like the Prime Minister did. And there we are. The whole thing is complete. I've completely forgotten what I was going to say now. What was I going to say? I can't remember. I'm too busy with the Wombles of Wimbledon. But here, Paddy, you make a good point by bringing Andy Burnham in because this, frankly, is a thing that is keeping Keir Starmer there for now. Yes.
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Chapter 5: What challenges does Starmer face within the Labour Party?
She's not going to call for a contest. What I expect is that she'll say something about the sort of direction of the party. But this weekend is not then turning into a maximum moment of jeopardy for the Prime Minister because none of the contenders who want the job have said, out the way, I'm on. I think that's right.
So Andy Burnham was doing a charity football match last night in which it was let be known that he'd scored two goals. Yeah, and the video is out there now. So you've got Gordon Brown with Keir Starmer and Andy Burnham scoring goals. There's some suggestions I walked into the newscast studio that one of them might have been offside, but I haven't yet seen the video. Hang on, hang on.
Are we now going to explain the offside rule? Because it's got everything. It's got Filofax, Rolodex, photo albums and the offside rule on one Saturday. I mean, that needs its own podcast. It's something to do with when someone's running forwards, I think. OK, yes. Good. So, look, let's go to voters.
One of the totemic results that happened was that after 25 years, Conservatives lost control of Essex County Council. Yes. So Essex has been the home of a sort of trope of a sort of self-made voter who prefers the Conservatives over... Kemi Badenoch's got a seat there. James Clevey's got a seat there.
In our time, some very famous, colourful Conservatives had seats there because of the amazing voters of Essex, which is where I began my radio career. I dare to say I know about Essex. See, I wouldn't have you down as the clichéd Essex man. Did you ever have a Ford Escort? Well, so I went in search of Essex Man. I had a Citroen 2CV.
So did I when I was a reporter at Radio Newcastle and I used to break down all the time. To the list of niche things on this podcast, we've added a 75-year-old car. I love the fact that both of you had a 2CV. Mine was red and yellow. The new man who's running the BBC, whose name no one can remember, is obsessed with getting younger listeners.
And this podcast is going to be axed the moment he walks in the door. Wombles and wimbles.
Exactly.
roller decks so look back we go to the voter so it's a totemic result I went to a car boot sale Laura and here is some of what people told me £3 each darling £3 each these are £2 free for five they're L'Oreal foundations can I ask what you're selling today and how it's gone it's gone quite well today apart from mixing with delightful people opportunity to get a bit of extra money towards bills
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Chapter 6: How is public sentiment affecting Labour's future?
And you believe the leadership as well. He's very, very good, Nigel Farage. Very, very good.
Do you remember the phrase, Essex man?
No, I don't.
That was voters who loved Margaret Thatcher.
That's who I say. That is who I say this morning. Bring back Margaret Thatcher.
Thank you for stopping. I wish you lots of sales. Have a nice weekend. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm not a great fan of Nigel Farage.
I don't think he's good for the country. And it's not even the immigration thing. That's all he talks about. I think it's boring. That's all he talks about. It's all the other little things. What changes are you going to make for the country? What big changes is he going to make for the country? I don't think he's really got a policy. I don't think he really has.
When you pick the ones you want, you can get nice sealed ones.
Can I ask you what you think just happened at the election, what it means? It means Labour are finished. Can't wait for them to go. Labour have just crippled the working man, you know, completely.
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Chapter 7: What impact do local election results have on national politics?
And that was both a reflection of public sentiment, but also something that tried to push on public sentiment. And the reform success in these elections has just been absolutely extraordinary. Now, their overall vote share compared to last year actually went down a bit. They have a success in terms of the number of seats and the gains that they were making.
They made huge progress from nowhere in Wales. They made huge progress from nowhere in Scotland. And it's been an incredible political achievement from them. There's absolutely no doubt about that. So this is partly about Sarmer and Labour, but it is also about the success of the other parties, Reform and the Greens, really making the most of this political moment. Completely.
It's worth reflecting, isn't it, from the prime minister's perspective? Because it's not that long ago that we were chasing around the country after him and his rivals in the general election campaign. You know, there are vanishingly few Labour leaders who have won a majority at a general election. And he is one of them, you know, in clearing a hurdle.
So few of his predecessors as a Labour leader have managed over the sweep of a century and a bit. And yet the speed, the speed with which things have unravelled and the degree to which it is so pointed in his direction personally.
I fall over the number of MPs, Labour MPs and others, you know, others who were, you know, not of his political affiliation, who were sometimes bemused about the extent to which it feels so visceral and so personal. With a character like Keir Starmer, who you might conclude wouldn't necessarily provoke such a strength of feeling, but...
The underlying issue around so many of these conversations is the reality of that being a broad-based sentiment for so many at the moment. When do we get... We're going to the end of... I've got some newscasters' comments. When do we get a sign that a significant intervention's happened? Is it a speech intervention? Is it a tweet or an ex-posting? From him or from his... From his rivals.
From his rivals. So, well, I think we will... I'm expecting that we'll hear from Angela Rayner this afternoon at some point, although I don't think she's going to push for our contest. I think Andy Burnham is due to speak at some event later this week. But the Prime Minister also has two big moments to try and stamp his authority this week, too. There's this big speech tomorrow.
And then on Wednesday, of course, is the King's speech, when the government has got a chance to put forward all the ideas and draft laws, things that they would like to achieve in Parliament. And that's a huge opportunity. to give Labour MPs things to be excited about, to give Labour MPs something to rally around because goodness knows that they need it.
And it's one of these kind of enormous big fancy state occasions and there'll be golden carriages and gleaming horses and all of that. It's also a big risk, though, because if the King's speech comes out and Labour MPs look at it and they think, oh, most of those things work, well, that's a bit wishy-washy. Not really much in that. Then that might make them feel even more demoralised.
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Chapter 8: What strategies are being discussed for Labour's recovery?
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