Next Up with Mark Halperin
Trump's Crucial State of the Union, the Key Difference Between 2016 and 2026, and AI and China Challenges
24 Feb 2026
Chapter 1: What insights does Mark Halperin share about Trump's impact on American politics?
You want to know what next up? I got what next up. Hi there, Mark Calper, Editor-in-Chief of Two-Way, live interactive video platform. And thank you for joining this show. Next up, glad to have you here as a nexter. Great program for you today on the State of the Union Day. We start out with a panel of two smarty pantses, two great thinkers.
Haima Moore, he's a principal at Cornerstone Government Affairs, former director at the office of the DNC chair for the Democratic Party. And Beverly Hallberg, a Republican strategist, president, district media group. and also a fellow at the Independent Women's Forum.
We'll talk to them about my new obsession, which is what are we doing as a country, a society, a people about AI and the threats and opportunities that are there. And then Alex Roy will be here. He's an extraordinary guy with an extraordinary career who understands two things, again, that I'm super focused on. One is electric vehicles and the other is self-driving cars. There's an overlap there.
Alex understands it all. And these are These are two huge topics that just don't get enough conversation, enough discussion. They have to do with our future, our economy, our competitiveness in the world, including with China. So we'll talk all about that.
But before we get to our guests in just a moment, my reported monologue on just the way Donald Trump inspires so many and depresses so many, who has been a divisive figure for his entire political career. And I've been thinking a lot this week about
on this day of the State of the Union, where we stand in the face of Donald Trump as the president of the United States, beloved by some and, to say the least, not beloved by others. I'm going to walk you through how I'm thinking about that on this critical week when there's so much going on at home and abroad. All of that coming up, all of that next up after this break.
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Chapter 2: How has the political landscape changed from 2016 to 2026?
Just the level of division, which existed in America before Donald Trump. It's part of how he got elected. But I want to talk about where we are now, a state of the union with three years left in this presidency, with a very raucous midterm coming up with lots of conversation here and elsewhere about who will be next in the White House after Donald Trump.
I want to start with 2016 on election night when I had been the subject for several weeks of criticism by people in the media and elsewhere for saying Donald Trump might win. We went into election night, the polls suggested he would not, but that it would be close. And on election night, I did a bunch of stuff. It really was a kind of a whirlwind.
I started at Hillary Clinton's headquarters here in New York City at the Javits Center. I then left and went and eventually ended up at Hillary Clinton's hotel where she was staying two blocks from Trump Tower, which some considered to be a bit of a troll and hung out in the lobby there to try to do some reporting about what was going on inside her camp.
Then went a few blocks away to Sixth Avenue to the Hilton Hotel where Donald Trump was having his election night event. And in between those stops, I went to the Ed Sullivan Theater and appeared on Stephen Colbert's show. And by coincidence, he was doing like a live show throughout the evening. And just by coincidence, I was there when enough states were projected for Donald Trump that he'd win.
I think Wisconsin was the one that was projected while I was literally on set with him. And it was clear Trump was probably going to win at that point. Not a sure thing, but it seemed like he was going to win. And Stephen Colbert basically was asking me to put in context what a Trump victory would mean for the country, how people would react to a Trump victory.
This is what I said on election night, 2016, shortly after it became clear that Donald Trump was going to be the 45th president. Outside of the Civil War, World War II. And including 9-11, this may be the most cataclysmic event the country's ever seen.
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Chapter 3: What challenges does AI pose for the government and society?
Well. So cataclysmic doesn't necessarily mean negative. It just means a big change. It means a shock to the system. And I stand by what I said. I took a ton of criticism, as I suggested earlier, for saying that this would be cataclysmic. Some because people saw it as something negative.
I just knew from having traveled the country and seeing the reaction to Donald Trump, both positive and negative, that this would be cataclysmic, that his first term, didn't know at that point it would only be one consecutive term, would discombobulate so much of the country, would shake things up so fundamentally. And I stand by what I said that night.
I think as horrible as 9-11 was, as much as it impacted the city where I live, as much as it impacted so much of the country, I really don't think it had as profound effect in society and how people think about America as the election of Donald Trump did in 2016. So he serves his term and then loses.
People can debate all they want about the 2020 election circumstances, the role of COVID, the role of changes in election laws because of COVID, the roles of the social media platform, the roles of how the country saw Trump's first term. There's all sorts of debates about that stuff. But what I do know is that after he lost and the assumption was he would not be back, that he was done politically.
That there was kind of a sigh of relief in blue America that said, OK, Hillary Clinton screwed that up. He barely won the first time he didn't win the popular vote. But now everybody's seen who he is and what he's like, and he'll never be back again. The Republicans won't nominate him. And if they do, we'll be so lucky as a Democratic Party to have Trump to run against. And of course.
They then spent the intervening period trying to send him to prison, trying to keep him off the ballot, trying to repudiate everything he'd done as president, not giving him credit for things he'd done positive. And the Democratic Party went crazy woke.
The reaction to Trump being president was not to say, well, let's do some soul searching and see where the party was off track in 2016 and maybe try to maybe move more to the center. No, the reaction was, no, let's move further to the left. And Joe Biden and the Democratic Party.
During the four years Donald Trump were out, moved to the left, obviously on immigration, moved to the left on a lot of cultural things, a lot of things having to do with DEI, with corporations, with titles that affected universities in various ways. All of this opened the door for Donald Trump to come back. And as I watched the 2024 election,
I had a feeling even more intense than I did in 2016 because 2016 was, even for me, someone who thought Trump could win, a surprise. I didn't think for sure he would by any means.
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Chapter 4: How should the government address the rise of artificial intelligence?
2024, in not just looking at the polling data, but in thinking about the arc of the two parties and of Trump's leadership and of Joe Biden and the con that he and his team tried to put on America about his mental decline and then Kamala Harris and her weaknesses as a candidate, I went into election season, the final days, more confident about Trump's chances than I had been in 2016.
And I was concerned because, again, this was not the fluke of 2016 where Trump gets elected almost in a lark, almost accidentally. And because of so many mistakes made by Hillary Clinton and so many actions by people like Assange and Comey and her own husband that produced a confluence that allowed Trump to win. This was different. This was, you've seen what he's like as president.
He was president for four years. Now you have a chance to have him president again. Up or down, do you want it? And my concern, my concern going into election day was that Trump would win. and that the country would be ill-prepared to deal with it, particularly blue America, whose connection to the country I felt could be severely damaged, should be almost severed if Trump won.
So here's what I said in October of 2024 when Tucker Carlson asked me on his show what would happen in blue America if Donald Trump won. I think it will be the cause of the greatest mental health crisis in the history of the country.
I think tens of millions of people will question their connection to the nation, their connection to other human beings, their connection to their vision of what their future for them and their children could be like. And I think that will require an enormous amount of access to mental health professionals. I think it'll lead to trauma in the workplace.
I think there'll be some degree of- Are you being serious? 100% serious. 100% serious. There'll be alcoholism. There'll be broken marriages. What?
Yeah.
They think he's the worst person possible to be president. And having won by the hand of Jim Comey and Fluke in 2016 and then performed in office for four years and denied who won the election last time in January 6th, the fact that under a fair election, America chose by the rules pre-agreed to Donald Trump again, I think it will cause the biggest mental health crisis in the history of America.
And I don't think it will be kind of a passing thing that by the inauguration will be fine. I think it will be sustained and unprecedented and hideous. And I don't think the country's ready for it. So mental health crises often manifest in violence. Yeah, I think there'll be some violence. I think there'll be workplace fights. There'll be fights at kids' birthday parties.
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Chapter 5: What is the current state of electric vehicle manufacturing in the U.S.?
How right was I in October of 24? In some quarters, I'm giving credit for being very right. I don't think I was totally right, but I was a lot right. I was a lot right. And the reason I was a lot right was because just like in 2016, I talked to a lot of voters in 2024. about how they saw this election, how they saw the prospect of Donald Trump winning again.
And I talked to people who were gonna vote for Donald Trump, who saw this as a huge corrective, not just of the Biden policies on immigration and the economy. but of the failure to have a fair election in their view in some cases in 2020, but also because Donald Trump had been, in their view, shackled as president by various things, including the people he hired.
And they wanted Trump unshackled, and they have gotten Donald Trump unshackled. In one short year, we've seen an extraordinary amount of change.
foreign and domestic, but particularly on the domestic front, what he's done with Congress, what he's done with business, what he's done with universities, the media, the use of his office, tearing down the East Wing, changing the name of the Kennedy Center, all these things that he didn't do like this in the first term have reinforced in the minds of so many people I talk to just how upsetting this is and how
inexplicable they find uh the fact that he's supported okay and why am i talking about this today you know i've been on my mind now for over a decade uh state of the union uh so many democrats choosing not to go so many democrats bringing guests to the state of the union uh purposely to uh troll the president annoy the president uh so much on social media with gavin newsom and other democrats using
profanity, striking back at Donald Trump with the same level of vitriol and profanity that he uses so frequently in his pronouncements on social media and elsewhere. This is a house seriously divided. It's a house seriously divided. And it's divided in asymmetrical ways. So many Democrats bristle when I talk about Trump derangement syndrome. And I get why they do.
And not everyone who opposes Donald Trump has derangement. They have their reasons, valid reasons in so many cases for vociferously opposing him on policy, on style, on what they believe is the most corrupt administration of all time. But undergirding all of that is something that is rational from their point of view to be emotionally upset about this. And the disconnect that it causes, even for
All but a handful of Democrats, whether they have so-called Trump derangement syndrome or not, they can't understand why he's supported. Now, his approval rating is down, but he's still supported by more than 45 percent of the country. Probably around 45, maybe. That's not nothing. And it's a lot because from their point of view, Donald Trump's the worst possible person to be president.
And what I have found in asking people this week about the rest of the year, not about the midterms. We've talked plenty about that. We'll talk more about it. But how do you see the rest of the year for America where we face tough choices as a country on Iran, on Russia, Ukraine, on China, on Greenland?
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Chapter 6: How is China's dominance in EVs affecting American automakers?
How can we come together to grapple with AI, which continues to be such both a huge possibility for America and a peril in the minds of the many and in reality? How do we deal with a unified position on China? Should we go to war with Iran? It's all freighted. It's all colored by this deep, deep concern.
On the left, that Donald Trump is a menace, which for many of them is discombobulating to say the least.
And then on the right, a belief that all of the dynamics, all the factors that got Donald Trump elected the first time and then reelected the second time, that all those things are still out there, that there's still too much woke, that there's still too much government control, still too much government regulation.
I look at the things I said in 2016 and 2024, and I think I was so right, I was so aware of the division, and yet almost nothing in our society is doing anything to change it. I try on two-way, I try here, I try to do my best to be an explainer, okay? I can't afford doing what I do to have Trump derangement syndrome,
or to have the reality of Donald Trump as president give me a mental health problem. I can't, that'd be irresponsible to do either of those. But I also must be vigilant, must be vigilant in explaining to people who are MAGA, just how upset people are. They see that, and I see this every day on Twitter in particular.
They see what they call Trump derangement syndrome, what they see, the emotion of governors and members of Congress or just folks on X. They see their anger at the president, their upset, and they mock it. They mock it. They look at it as weakness, and they delight in it. You know, the phrase, own the libs. They delight in that.
What they don't try to do, and what I'm asking all of you to do if you support the president and you're listening to this show, is try to have some understanding for why they're so upset. Don't just mock it. Maybe stop mocking it. Maybe think about why are they so upset? Why has... Unfortunately, I was at least partially correct.
Why has the president's reelection caused a mental health crisis in America? Every mental health professional I talk to, no matter their political orientation, says, yeah, business is booming. Lots of people need mental health help now.
And as a nation, I don't care what your politics are, you should have sympathy for your fellow countrymen and countrywomen who right now are still struggling a year in here to Trump's second term. They are struggling to understand how the country could have done this. And then again, I'd ask people who are struggling with it, Look for things you can like.
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Chapter 7: What role do autonomous vehicles play in the future of transportation?
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And Haima Moore, principal at Cornerstone Government Affairs, a former director of the office of the DNC chair. Grateful to you both for making time. Happy State of the Union Day.
Happy State of the Union Day.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of AI and EV advancements for American society?
I'm so concerned about AI. I want it to be wonderful for America, for every family, every individual. And then on Monday, some outfit writes a paper about how AI is going to destroy the economy. And the stock market takes a crash. And I don't think anybody thinks the Trump administration is going to lead us through this.
So if you were if you were White House chief of staff to President Bartlett or whoever, what would what would you think the proper role of a president is to lead us through the elites and the people at large in America to lead us through this?
Yeah, look, I think one thing that President Trump is really good at is galvanizing the support of industry. And so I think the first thing is bringing these guys. You have all of these tech sort of execs who have come to D.C., come to the White House on various occasions. And so I think the president has an opportunity to bring this group together and have a serious conversation.
A lot of the AI conversation right now is because people just don't know what the future holds for AI. They're not sure what these billion dollar investments will entail. They're not sure what jobs are going to be displaced or replaced by AI. And so if I were the president, I would bring these people to the White House and have a frank conversation about it and say, look,
If we're going to displace 250,000 workers in the next two years or the next five years, where do they go? Can we use AI to help do some up tooling, upskilling, retooling, getting people different industry jobs? And so I think it starts with a conversation, one, and then secondly, with a plan.
Beverly?
Well, I completely agree. You have to bring business in because I do not expect our elected officials to on Capitol Hill to be AI experts. I know I'm not myself. So you have to work with the private sector on this. But here is my concern is we're seeing these doomsday reports where even people who are very skilled and have built these AI models where we're going from
they're talking to us, to doing things for us. It seems to be that these systems are able to manipulate and work on their own, obviously, but do things that was never expected. And so I think part of the problem is, is we don't know where this goes. Even the smartest people seem to be a little bit worried. And so I'm not sure exactly how you deal with that other than Completely agree.
You need to bring in the private sector to work on this because this is leading to a big concern that this isn't about what we've seen before with technology where blue-collar workers were the ones thrown off the assembly line. We were talking about white-collar workers not having a job.
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