Scrolling with Hayley
Exposing Big Food w/ Patrick & Ashley Sullivan - Scrolling w/ Hayley (Ep. 240)
20 Feb 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to Scrolling with Haley. I am Haley Carinia. Thank you for tuning in today on this Friday episode. I want to make sure that you all subscribe to the show. Rumble.com slash Haley is where you can watch the show in full live. And we are Monday through Friday, and we are right after Dan Bongino's show. It'll raid right into here.
So make sure that you scroll with all of my homies in the chat. And of course, you can listen on your favorite podcast platform, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart, wherever you get your shows, just make sure that you show us some love. I appreciate it. And today's show is very special for me because we are diving into all things Maha Make America Healthy Again.
All right, well, during the pandemic and its aftermath, A lot of Americans, myself included, our eyes were open to all of the different lies that have been told surrounding our health for years. Then we started questioning, what am I putting in my body? Why is the government pushing vaccines? Why are they downplaying natural alternatives, natural remedies?
Why are they telling us to mask up and not go to the gym? For me, after doing research and learning more about my health, those questions quickly became, How and why did I ever trust the government to know what's good for me and my body and my health? Well, my next guests know all too well how the American food system is rigged against us.
Would you believe me if I told you that most of the big food corporations are owned by tobacco companies? Well, our food is poison, but we don't have to let it poison us and knowledge is power. Patrick and Ashley Sullivan are the owners of an organic, mold-free coffee shop and market in Arizona.
They're also the filmmakers behind the hit new documentary, Breaking Big Food, how the American food system went rotten and how it's being revived. And they join me on today's episode of Scrolling with Hailey. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm so excited to have you both. And this is my first ever Maha, like Maha from start to finish episode.
So I'm very, very excited to have you guys on. Oh, we're so excited to be here. Thank you for having us, Haley. Yeah, this is wonderful.
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Chapter 2: What sparked the MAHA movement and its significance?
And I love the documentary, which we will get into. But I want to start with where all of this Maha stuff began. It seems like it started maybe about 2020. After 2020, nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to the government. Did you guys see an interest in the Maha movement since 2020? Or where do you think this all started? I think in your intro, yeah, you nailed it.
Why have we been trusting the government, so-called experts, at all? It really, I think COVID revealed much of the brokenness in the systems that we assumed we could trust. Yeah, absolutely. And it just seems like since then, people have started questioning what we're putting into our bodies.
Chapter 3: How has the pandemic influenced health awareness in America?
I know for myself, and I know that Alex Clark, the host of Culture Apothecary, was in the Breaking Big Food documentary, and I started listening to her podcasts. This was like before Maha even started, but I feel like the drip, drip, drip of information started coming. I feel like moms, suburban moms, were getting very interested in what they were feeding themselves, their families, their babies.
And that has really prompted a lot of people to vote for Trump and even liberals who were, maybe they were fans of RFK Jr. and they thought, well, I would never vote for a Republican, but I care so much about my health. What have you made of all that? Do you think that there is just a revival among moms that has really made the Maha Mom movement a thing? A hundred percent. Yeah.
I feel like moms are angry. I think the veil has been lifted and they have, uh, I mean, now they can see what's been going on and they're like the tiger moms are coming out and they're saying no more. I'm going to take control of my family's health and I'm going to make, I'm going to do better for them. And they just don't, they've lost all trust in the system. Yeah.
And just with baby formula, seed oils and baby formula, chemicals in children's food and things like that is just, it's eye-opening. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. Patrick, I want to ask you about your own health journey because your struggles kind of prompted you to dive deeper into this industry, right? Yes.
In 2014, I felt a lump in my throat and it turned out that that lump was thyroid cancer. And
if you ever hear you have cancer it's the worst words you feel like you can have and it was so scary yeah incredibly stressful time um we worked with you know a number of different doctors to get several opinions ashley and i eventually agreed that the best move was to do a thyroidectomy where they surgically remove the thyroid and then quite frankly haley
We didn't really think about that time in our lives for several years. It was such a stressful time dealing with the, I have cancer demon screaming in my head for six months that once we did the thyroidectomy, we kind of buried that until,
Fast forward to 2024, 10 years after the initial thyroid cancer, we started to work on this film, Breaking Big Food, and the director that we were working with asked me, why are you guys making this? And the first answer that I gave was a little bit more along the lines of like, well, health and wellness and nutrition is just absolutely an important subject.
And we had seen Cali Means speak at a conference in the summer of 2024, and we felt like we wanted to help amplify this message that was in his book, Good Energy. And the documentarian was kind of like,
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Chapter 4: What are the connections between Big Food and tobacco companies?
They didn't have a clue. Maybe this maybe this had something to do with it. I mean, we didn't know how to read a nutrition label back then. So it was kind of like, okay, that passion, that mission became fueled more and more based on our experience with the cancer and just like other family members and other, I mean, it's all over the place. Illness is everywhere.
And so we were just like, we've got to help any way we can. Yeah, and when you hear cancer, because so many people are affected by this, and there are so many different kinds, and there are cancer patients and survivors in my family, as I'm sure everyone listening and watching has a similar story, it touches so many of us.
And it just seems like when you hear cancer, you think of surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, and other medical interventions. But some of the cancer survivors that I know have become the most Maha people I have ever known because they take their health so seriously because they know that it is an environmental thing.
When you hear cancer, my question is what's causing it the same way that Patrick, you asked that. I mean, how did this thyroid, how did this cancer get in my thyroid to begin with? It seems like everything causes cancer now. Plastic, sunscreens, everything. It's kind of like, where do you start? Well, my personal belief is that any one of those environmental assaults
when built up over time can trigger the body to dysfunction. We are so fortunate that we live inside of this amazing vehicle. We call it our body. And inside of us is an innate healer that when we can calm down our nervous systems, which is difficult, and when we can feed proper nutrition, I believe that our bodies can tend to deal with most environmental toxins.
There is probably a breaking point that our bodies can't get to, but I think that the more we can clean up our environment, the better off that we're going to be.
Yeah, I wanna ask you about the food pyramids specifically, because a lot of our environment, we think about the things that are on our body and near our body, and there's a lot that we can do to kind of clean up our lifestyles and make them low tox. But food is a really great place to start.
And for so long, the American people have been lied to because we had this old food pyramid that basically told us that you can have 11 servings of bread per day. And that's what the government tells us. And that's healthy for some reason. And the pyramid is totally warped. I mean, it is prioritizing breads and grains and it is demonizing fats and oils, good fats and oils and things like that.
And now with RFK Jr. at the head of HHS, they have basically unveiled this inverted triangle, which is really how we should have been eating for so long. And it's just wild to me that, like, how did we get here? Hmm. Well... Here's three facts that I learned while we were filming Breaking Big Food. Number one, in 1985, RJ Reynolds, the maker of Camel cigarettes, bought Nabisco for $5 billion.
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Chapter 5: What are the dangers of seed oils in our diets?
But one of the bacterias that is killed off during that process is lactase. Lactase is actually an enzyme and lactase is used to break down lactose, which is the milk sugar. And so a lot of people that think they are lactose intolerant and probably are, They have GI issues because there's no lactase in the pasteurized milk. Wow. To help break down the lactose.
Well, we've seen people at Firefly Organic Coffee and Market do a little raw milk shot, taste it for the first time, and they're like, I want to try this and give it a test. We haven't had anybody come back to say, yeah, that was a problem for me. So the milk that we get is from Golden Rule Dairy, which is about
Chapter 6: What personal health journey led to the creation of Firefly Coffee?
two hours south of Tucson, Arizona. We get it fresh every Thursday. And by the way, it's usually sold out by Sunday. But the people who taste raw milk, like you said for the first time, have this sort of revelation of like, oh my gosh, this actually does taste good. Whole milk is 4% fat, so it's creamier. It actually is also more filling. One of the gentlemen in our documentary, A.J.
Richards of fromthefarm.org He says that he drinks about a gallon of raw milk during the day as his meal. Whoa. And he doesn't even eat food. Yeah, he doesn't eat food. Like milk is his sustenance throughout the day. Well, if you take a look, actually whole milk has like
almost the perfect, like you could define your own version of perfect, but like the perfect ratio of macros, protein, fat, and carbs. So that it's like the perfectly balanced meal, frankly. And it's got so many vitamins and minerals in it that are still intact because it hasn't been pasteurized and, you know, heated to such a temperature that it has killed off so much of the benefits.
Wow, that is wild to me. And there are so many people, because I feel like we get into these food trends where people tell you that eggs are bad. People tell you that milk is bad or everyone feels like they're lactose intolerant now, right? And then it becomes this fad where now everyone gets almond milk, everyone gets oat milk.
And then the ingredients in these milks, milks, if you want to call them that, are horrible. I mean, they're horrible. I go to the creamer section of the grocery store and I'm turning it around. No. And I put them all back. I'm turning them around. Even the ones that are supposed to be healthy. I'm looking at it, turning it back around. No, I'm not putting this in my body.
It's crap to be quite frank. Well, as Patrick says, you can't milk an oat. Right. First of all, you cannot do that. And yeah. And it's really about the additives. Like these additives are so hard on the gut. And so this is why another reason people are having such terrible gastrointestinal issues, like who doesn't have a compromised gut in America right now? Right. There are so many reasons.
And it's all of these gums and emulsifiers and, you know, preservatives and all of the things that our bodies just really weren't designed to eat these things on a regular basis, like And that's why we, that's why we put them in the dirty dozen ingredients to avoid on ingredient snobs.com. Smart. So why is there such a stigma around raw milk?
And I feel like if I wanted a raw milk latte, now that I'm sold on raw milk, that is hard to come by. A lot of coffee shops don't offer raw milk. So you guys have that, but do you, did you run into any issues with that? Well, we did when we first opened. So in the state of Arizona, you can sell raw milk, but you can't prepare anything with it.
In our minds, we were like, well, if we only do iced lattes and literally you're just pouring the milk into a cup, not touching any of the equipment or steaming milk or anything like that, then I don't see that there could be an issue. Well, someone within the first month that we were open, we were getting a lot of traction on Instagram for the raw milk latte.
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