Not PC with Mark and Rob
Episodes
Is Switching To Mac Actually Worth It?
18 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Switching from Windows to Mac is often seen as the inevitable move if you're serious about productivity. But is it always plain sailing? Mark and Rob ...
Was 2025 A Good Year For Apple?
18 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Mark and Rob are joined by Chris from the Tech Spurt YouTube channel for a big Christmas roundup of 2025 in tech! They reflect on the major...
Is the iPhone Air honeymoon over?
11 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Mark and Rob are joined by Daniel from the ZoneOfTech YouTube channel. They discuss Daniel's ordeal with the Samsung Galaxy Ring, whether a...
Why YouTubers have to use clickbait
02 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Mark and Rob are joined by YouTuber Pete Matheson to discuss the latest tech news, including the announcement that Android is coming to PC ...
Will Anyone Buy The iPhone Air? (Apple Event Debrief!)
16 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Apple has been busy. Mark and Rob are here to assess which of the new devices look exciting, which might run into some teething issues and which they'...
How Important Is Smartphone Battery Life?
22 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Mark and Rob are joined by Ben from Lover of Tech this week where he lifts the lid on how he shoots his brutal battery drain tests, why that remains a...
The Perils Of Being A Tech YouTuber
08 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark, Rob, and special guest Alex from Alex Gear & Tech discuss Apple’s potential move to buy an AI company and the future of f...
Are foldables finally worth buying?
25 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
There's a lot to catch up on as we launch Not PC, our new tech podcast now with added guests! This week, alongside Patrick Rambles of YouTube fame, we...
BIG NEWS ABOUT EIGHT OR SIXTEEN (WE'RE STILL ALIVE)!
27 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Eight or Sixteen will return... If you'd like to get in touch with Rob and Mark, you can email them at [email protected]. Eight or Six...
“They already know everything about me...”
09 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this week’s episode of Eight or Sixteen, Rob and Mark dive into the latest Nintendo Switch 2. Rob’s also spotted a wild £500 Echo Show from Am...
“Watching three British blokes mess around...”
25 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Eight or Sixteen, Mark shares what he calls his best experience ever—an unforgettable visit to a pretty famous racetrack. There's also ...
“Weird AI robots walking around everywhere..."
11 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode Mark and Rob discuss MWC highlights, a quirky take on World Book Day, and the OnePlus Watch 3. They also dive into Apple's latest laun...
"Everyone needs a magnetic goose"
20 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Mark shares his thoughts on the BYD Seal vs. Tesla Model 3, while we dive into Apple's refreshed Powerbeats Pro—are they a real AirPods P...
"Exceptionally Happy About That Sausage...”
05 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Samsung's latest Galaxy S25 lineup, the return of Pebble smartwatches, and Apple's latest financial results—this episode is packed with big tech new...
"The coveted, 'Mark Ellis Reviews' BEST TOILET AWARD"
21 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Mark and Rob are back with another packed episode of Eight or Sixteen! This week, they dive into the best (and weirdest) tech from CES 2025, including...
“Demise of the stovetop”
30 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark and Rob reflect on an eventful 2024, covering everything from travel highlights and their favourite tech purchases to the bigges...
"Apologies to Andy McBain!"
07 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Join Mark and Rob for another episode of the Eight or Sixteen podcast and more tech ramblings. From starting to talk about Christmas decorations, to a...
"Marques has been a naughty boy"
20 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode Mark and Rob dive into the power-packed M4 Mac mini, questioning whether its upgrades are worth the price, and the surprising 3D-print...
“Life is too short for dangly straps”
02 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Join Rob and Mark for more tech waffling and meandering down limitless cultural cul-de-sacs! If you'd like to get in touch with Rob and Mark, you can...
“They’ve Sherlocked our podcast!”
12 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark and Rob dive into the latest Apple M4 benchmarks leak, comparing it to the infamous iPhone 4 incident, and explore what surprise...
"He loves to get his otoscope out"
29 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark and Rob dive into Apple’s latest reveals, from the new iPhone 16 line up (the good and the bad), to the AirPods 4 and Apple Wa...
“We all remember the Flappy Birds”
14 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark is back from his travels and shares insights from IFA and a Huawei or Honor event. Rob discusses his recent tech purchases, incl...
“It will call emergency services for you if it thinks you have died”
17 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark dives into his latest tech adventures, including a hands-on with the Galaxy Watch Ultra and the Surface Laptop 7. Rob shares...
“It’s… uhh… Matt Berry.”
20 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark covers his recent trip to the OnePlus event in Milan, showcasing the Nord 4 and CMF products. Rob and Mark discuss Samsung's...
"This is the most orange thing on planet Earth"
06 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark shares highlights from his recent holiday, including a review of the Insta360 GO 3S and a Tesla road trip in Scotland. Rob and M...
“Craig’s Hair Helmet”
15 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
This week Mark and Rob dive into Marks latest trip to France and dissect Apple's WWDC24 event, which was, as always, impressively shot "entirely" on a...
“I’d feel like I was in hospital”
08 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark recounts his trip to Computex in Taipei, sharing his highlights of the Snapdragon Insider event. Rob and Mark dive into Mark's l...
“I asked it to write an 80’s rock song about my balls?”
25 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
This week Mark shares his travels from Germany and Manchester and dives into the latest ultra-thin M4 iPad Pro and its new updates. Mark and Rob also ...
“I touched a lot of knobs that day”
11 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
From camping to press events in China, this week Mark and Rob catch up whats been happening over the last month. They also delve into the latest Apple...
“Pop out your S-Pen and give it a little sniff”
30 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Why does the S-Pen smell? This week, Mark and Rob answer similarly important questions, as well as why YouTubers perpetually declare that they’re sw...
"Shoehorning Android into an Apple setup"
16 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Eight or Sixteen is back after Mark’s trip to the Mobile World Conference in Barcelona. In this episode, Mark tells us all about his big trip to App...
"Cardboard cutouts of Craig Federighi"
24 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark discuss the M3 iMac video fallout, fitness tech and they also explore the new Apple Vision Pro and question, is it just ...
"$200 shell suit for your Vision Pro”
03 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, join Mark and Rob as they discuss everything from smartwatches and Google Assistant quirks to Apple's latest releases and...
"Did Ali fix your keyboard?"
20 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode Mark and Rob recap the big reveals from CES 2023. They discuss the Samsung Galaxy AI features in the new S24 series. Samsung is also p...
“Rickrolled by the BBC”
06 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Mark and Rob get together to discuss Mark's CES plans, thoughts on Samsung's upcoming Galaxy Unpacked event, and whether intriguing new accessories li...
“The WAN Show with a K”
16 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark discuss Mark's AirPods Max experiment, what they both want to see from Apple in 2024, and they dig deep into Rob's amazi...
“Things that look like other things”
02 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark talk skateboards, Porsches, Jeff Bezos' face, and an unfortunate turn of events for Nothing. Links Correction from Rob: ...
”Hello, Mark!”
18 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark discuss Mark's multiple trips to Battersea Power Station, the fallout from the M3 iMac video, and more - although there'...
”It doesn’t help that you’re upside down”
02 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark dissect the 'Scary Fast' Apple event. And Rob spends the entire recording upside down in Streamyard. Brilliant. Links Ap...
“I’ve got a silly little teapot”
14 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In today's show, Rob and Mark discuss the new Pixel stuff, Rob's exciting new purchases, to go naked or not with the iPhone 15 Pro Max, and a silly li...
“We all need a bendy hinge”
30 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Mark reveals his thoughts on the iPhone 15 Pro Max, Rob updates Mark on the tech events he's missed (and explains why they weren't ve...
”How do you explain that to your nan?”
16 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark dissect the iPhone 15 announcement (while Mark does his level best to stop his dog, Eddie, from whining and barking thro...
“Only cost her a toenail”
09 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, a VERY tired Mark recounts his slightly disastrous visit to IFA in Berlin and Rob quizzes him on just how much he's looking forward t...
”Hot milk”
26 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Rob and Mark are joined by Ben Aboagye, otherwise known as Love of Tech! They talk about everything from the Linus situation to Ben's favou...
“Who’s Chris?”
12 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to the sleep-deprived episode! This week, Rob and Mark discuss the Flip5, the new Galaxy Watches, the Nothing Phone (2) (again), Mark's latest...
”We behaved like adults... almost”
29 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark are joined by Patrick Rambles and Alex Gear & Tech from YouTube land! They talk about the latest Samsung releases, f...
”Eight Sleep, rave, repeat”
15 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark discuss Mark's experience with the Pixel Fold (and a bunch of other recent review units), the Nothing Phone (2), and the...
“I got schooled by a four-year-old”
01 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Mark's back from New York City, and ready to chat 15-inch MacBook Air, Pixel Tablet, and Xperia 1 V with Rob (among the usual off-topic cul-de-sacs, o...
”Facemails”
17 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
WWDC 2023 has been and gone, and Rob hasn't seen it yet. Mark fills him in on the details whilst battling full-blown man flu and whipping out his 15-i...
“Tetris on a Chicken McNugget”
03 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark discuss the upcoming WWDC keynote... but not before they talk about Mark's mountain bike adventure, electric toothbrushe...
”Shout-out to Trevor Horn”
20 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Rob and Mark discuss Mark's Silver Play Button, a new cloud gaming handheld device from Logitech, all the latest news from Amazon and Google, and a £...
Our 50th episode!
13 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
It's our two-year anniversary! And what better way to celebrate what's also the 50th episode of Eight or Sixteen than dissect some of Apple's biggest ...
”Everyone’s got an Apple Tragic Mouse”
22 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Mark and Rob cover a big milestone, trying out OneUI on an iPhone, tiny Mac-shaped chargers, DIY external SSDs, strangely-shaped mice and the latest A...
”If you’re hearing this, it all worked fine” (with Jason T. Lewis)
08 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Two weeks ago, we sat down with none other than Jason T. Lewis to record Eight or Sixteen. Alas, there was a recording, erm... error - and the show wa...
”I went all in with Steve”
28 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We're back! Although this wasn't the plan... find out why we now have a 'lost episode' of Eight or Sixteen (among the usual fireside chat about all th...
”When I get a BBC News notification, my heart sinks”
25 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
It's another Samsung-infused episode of Eight or Sixteen (but for good-ish reason!). There's other stuff too, though, don't you worry. Links The Mediu...
It’s a NosePod mini
11 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Rob and Mark unpick Unpacked, moan about M2 and consider a charity clown nose. Errata: Rob repeatedly refers to his S22 Ultra as an S21 Ultra because ...
”I don’t want anything else, Tim”
28 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this show, Rob and Mark react to Apple's surprise January announcement(s)... Links Huawei Mate Xs 2 (Galaxy Fold alternative with no crease. Or ...
“It’s hard to find a beer beneath five percent”
14 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The show starts (again!) with some sad news... but moves on to Rob and Mark's thoughts on CES, 2023 tech predictions, and Mark's multiple projects and...
“Elon Musk buys YouTube…”
31 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's the final show of the year! This means it's time to look back at the best, the most expensive, the cheapest, and the worst pieces of tech Rob and...
”Widgetified”
17 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
After a disastrous 30-minute recording, Rob and Mark decide to start again and conduct a 'quick' episode of Eight or Sixteen. As you might guess, that...
“My Big Knob was on a delivery note”
03 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We've got a guest! In today's episode, Louise Findlay from the Discord server joins the weird and wonderful world of Eight or Sixteen to chat about Bl...
”You didn’t pop in for a cuddle”
19 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Daily carries, daily remain-at-homes, 5-month-old swimming/Apple Watch Ultra Scuba Mode experiences, endless headphone chat, and genuinely useful Blac...
“I’ve got an issue with densely-packed small holes”
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In what is, arguably, the most random episode of Eight or Sixteen ever, Rob and Mark talk about everything from Trypophobia to Mark's new studio plans...
“Shall we talk politics?”
22 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In today's show, Rob and Mark discuss Mark's recent travels, the brilliance of the Google Pixel 7 Pro, and Rob's new headphones before getting immense...
“The HomeBase B&Q Station”
08 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In today's show, we hear all about Rob's experiences with his shiny new iPhone 14 Pro Max, and the Google Pixel event is fully dissected and pondered....
“The one-handed thumb flick”
24 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In today's episode, Rob and Mark discuss the iPhone 14 Pro Max, Samsung stuff (finally), Mark's incoming Apple Watch Ultra, and check off a few gadget...
“It’s International Orange, Rob!”
10 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark pay their respects to the Queen and discuss Mark's trip to Paris, Mark's dodgy eye, the Apple event (and why Mark is des...
“I AM kind of a big deal now, Rob”
27 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In today's show, Rob and Mark discuss Mark's first ever press junket, the pros and many cons of diving into Samsung World, and why Mark suddenly loves...
“He literally fell asleep while watching my video”
13 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In today's show, Rob and Mark react to the Samsung Unpacked event and Mark reveals what he's pre-ordered. Mark's questionable new music bed strategy i...
“Ten seconds in the fridge is ten seconds too long”
06 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We're back! In today's show, Rob and Mark talk about fatherhood, Insta360, Mark being 'all up in the TikToks', the Nothing Phone (1), and the M2 MacBo...
“The SSD problem is the big problem” (The Max Tech interview)
09 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's a big one this week, folks! We're delighted to welcome none other than Vadim Yuryev from Max Tech onto Eight or Sixteen! As you might guess, the ...
”Why do you write?”
25 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In this week's episode, we welcome back writer and business owner Justin Cox! Topics include Justin's brilliant new book, the highs and lows of writin...
”I’ve got a weird thing about windows touching” (WWDC 2022 reaction - Part Two)
18 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In part two of our WWDC reaction, we talk about macOS Ventura, iPadOS 16, the curious case of the missing Mac Pro, and MKBHD's dirty sensor. Enjoy. - ...
“The thousand dollar no-name trainers” (WWDC 2022 reaction - Part One)
11 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's time for the first of our two-part reaction to WWDC 2022! And, yes, making it a two-part affair was something we decided at the end of this episo...
”ARvocado”
28 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's the WWDC 2022 preview show! And we welcome back a very special guest - Doc Ayomide! Beyond WWDC, our three intrepid podcasters also discuss Mark'...
“You’ve just turned the podcast into an ASMR podcast”
14 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In today's show, Rob and Mark briefly mourn (sort of) the iPod, reveal their thoughts about Google IO, muse about Rob's new mechanical keyboard addict...
“We’ve found a Touch Bar fan!”
30 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's special guest time again! In this episode, we welcome none other than Sami Fathi from MacRumors to talk WWDC, the Studio Display, and the Galaxy ...
“If you try and touch my screen, I’ll snap your finger off”
16 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In today's episode, we're joined by special guest, Matt Inman! Matt has previously appeared on Mark's YouTube channel but got back in touch for some a...
”David Blowie”
02 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Mark goes full time, Rob accidentally goes swimming, and Dyson launches the weirdest pair of headphones ever. Welcome to a typically random episode of...
“A fat Mac mini with too much power”
19 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's time for Rob and Mark to give you their full opinion of the Apple spring 2022 event, with the benefit of more than a week of mulling the whole th...
”It’s the phone for your nan”
05 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's nearly Apple Event time! In today's show, Rob and Mark look forward to the 'Peek performance' event on March 8th, Mark reveals his experience wit...
”You’ve got some Sony doughnut headphones on the way”
19 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In this week's episode, Mark reveals his big news, Rob gives us a peek inside his fridge, and we finally hear what happened to Mark's Surface Laptop. ...
”Rob, you’re in my kitchen”
05 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In today's episode, we're joined by the awesome Doc Ayomide. Tune in to hear us talk tech, mental health, phones without cases, waking up to Tim Cook,...
“It’s a robot cat with a chewy mouth”
22 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob reveals his current tech setup and what new goodies might be in store for 2022. Mark also tries to explain why he's moved his 24"...
”I’ve been Evil Rob for 25 years”
08 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In the first show of 2022, Rob and Mark discuss some interesting products that have emerged from CES (including, yes, a weird 'old' MacBook Pro-like D...
“Waiting for Peter McKinnon to appear holding a tray of Mince Pies and a bottle of whiskey”
24 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It's the last show of the year, and we're joined by a special guest from the Discord server, Martin Kelly! We discuss Martin's awesome Apple museum an...
“It was all going swimmingly until they arrived”
11 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In this week's episode, Mark has some big personal news, Rob succeeds in helping Mark cope with that personal news (from a tech standpoint), and, as a...
”Do you remember Knightmare?”
27 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
After meandering aimlessly into a cul-de-sac of early 90s kids TV shows that featured crap, early versions of VR (and Craig Charles), Rob and Mark dis...
”Rob is a fan of movies he has to bring tissues to”
13 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We've got a guest! Freelance writer, Shortcuts extraordinaire, and Discord crew member, Justin Cox, joins Rob and Mark to talk through the best Apple ...
“Singeing my important man bits”
30 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
The show is back after a short break, during which Mark headed to Canada with practically every Apple device he owns. Find out how that went, and list...
”Jeff Bezos on wheels”
09 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we find out why Mark's iPhone 13 mini ended up down the toilet, and take a peek at what Microsoft and Amazon have been up to recently. If y...
”It‘s got the same texture as my bog brush holder”
25 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It's California Streaming event wrap-up time! Listen to Rob and Mark dissect the iPhone 13 event and find out why Mark is heading for a 'mini' lifesty...
”I don‘t want to attach anything related to Zuckerberg to my face”
11 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In today's episode, Rob and Mark discuss the iPhone event (briefly), beta experiences, Rob's Tony Stark couch, the joy of the MagSafe Wallet, the stor...
”Raised on Countdown”
28 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In another eclectic episode of Eight or Sixteen, Rob and Mark discuss everything from 1Password (again), to how boring the iPhone is. Sprinkle in a £...
"The Surface Slot"
14 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In today's episode, Rob gets very angry about 1Password, Mark gets very sad about his Surface Laptop 4 and they both try and answer the perennial ques...
"We've forgotten how to do this, haven't we?"
31 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
After a few weeks' hiatus, Rob and Mark return to talk about the MagSafe Battery Pack, MacBook Pro rumours, the Steam Deck and being a horrible goose....
"One of the most disappointing tech experiences of my life"
26 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Rob and Mark look beyond the Apple news drought and instead delve into Windows 11, cameras and a genuinely heartbreaking tale about R...
"The sickest demonstration of drag-and-drop"
12 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, you'll hear our full, unfiltered thoughts about WWDC 2021, including the lack of any meaningful M1 iPad-inspired updates to iPadOS. O...
"I used to love Cover Flow"
29 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Apple Music lossless, Google I/O, iPhone as a service and first impressions of the new iMac and Apple TV 4K... Rob and Mark had a lot to get through i...