A nova gestão introduziu o 13º, ainda não garantido para os próximos anos. Mas o número de beneficiados caiu, e a fila dos que esperam ser incluídos no programa tem hoje cerca de 500 mil pessoas. Para tratar dos números, Renata Lo Prete entrevista Gil Castelo Branco, da ONG Contas Abertas. E, para avaliar o impacto social do programa, o convidado é Pedro Ferreira de Souza, pesquisador do Ipea.
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