The Movement That Wants Us to Care About AI Model Welfare
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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Odd Lots Podcast. I'm Jill Weisenthal.
And I'm Tracy Alloway.
You know what I find kinda weird, Tracy?
The list could be long, Joe.
The year is 2025. Yes. And philosophers still don't have a good answer on the origin of consciousness. It's like, come on, what have you been doing all this time? It's like, how long are we gonna keep funding these philosophy departments, etc., if they're still working on what to my mind is the But they should have solved it by now. Solve that and move on. Seriously, like Get the answer already. Where does consciousness come from? Then let's move on. I said they're still arguing these, what to my mind seem like very basic questions in philosophy. Like they're like ask all the same stuff that they've been talking about forever. How to be a good person? What does it mean to have a moral way of life? Where does consciousness come from?
Why do we have moral intuitions, etc.? It's like move on. Like get the answer. Wait, do you want
them to move on or get the answer?
Get the answer so that you can move on. Like they've been worried.
Move on to what? Those are the questions, Joe. I know.
Move on. Like answer the questions already. It's like, you know, if f if like scientists were still debating like the speed of gravity or the speed of light, like they answered these questions and they moved on and are doing it. Figure out
the foundational elements of what it means to be human so that we can move on to more important things.
Yes, or wrap it up as a field if after two thousand years of the existence of philosophy they're still working on these things. Like, come on.
I have a sneaking suspicion that we're gonna be asking some of these questions for a very long time, Joe. Despite your frustrations.
The whole the the whole field is fraudulent, is what I'm saying. No, no, I don't necessarily believe that, but it's like, all right, guys, let's uh move it on. You know, we did that episode several weeks ago with Josh Wolfe, the venture capitalist, and he talked about AI and he threw in there at the end something that had been kind of on my radar, but only br barely is like, Oh yeah, some people are talking about like AI rights or AI welfare as if, you know, like the same way we talk about animal welfare.
Right.
And I thought to myself, like, America is such a weird place that this is like gonna be a huge issue in a few years. Like I bet this is gonna be an enormous topic in the future.
I think it absolutely will. So I'll say a couple of things. First off, I think, you know, when it comes to animal welfare and human welfare, there's still a lot of work to be done on those categories, certainly. But I also think in the meantime, AI rights is gonna be a really interesting and potentially important subject. I'm gonna sound like a total nerd to you, Jim. Yeah, yeah,
all right. I think
I've mentioned this before, but I spent a large chunk of my middle school years playing one of the first artificial life games that ever came out, which was Creatures. And you raise these little like aliens and you genetically modify them and breed them and they have feelings or you know, at least they had a semblance of simulated feelings and you could see like electrical impulses in their brains and stuff.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–25:49
2
What is the focus of Eleos AI and why does AI welfare matter?
25:49–27:19
3
How does Eleos AI define and detect AI consciousness and moral patienthood?
27:19–29:46
4
Why did the founders start Eleos AI and what research led to its formation?
29:46–35:18
5
How do uncertainty and probability affect judgments about AI consciousness?
35:18–38:24
6
What criteria and check‑lists are used to evaluate AI sentience and welfare?
38:24–53:21
Speakers
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