Oddball w/ Amin Elhassan & Izzy Gutierrez

Will Wemby Play His Entire Career with The Spurs? | Oddball Trivia Tuesday with Tony Catalayud

10 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It’s that time of the week… that’s right, it’s Trivia Tuesday. This week, Amin faces off with MMA Hour’s Tony Catalayud. The pair contend wi...

NBA Panic Meter: Who’s Drowning In The Poole?

10 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Charlotte and Amin dive into the NBA Panic Meter, analyzing how teams like the Denver Nuggets, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Golden Sta...

JJ Redick’s Suppressed Anger and 20-Game Team Check-Ins

05 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Charlotte and Amin put to bed all speculations and can definitely tell you if your favorite team is good or bad. Amin lamented his pr...

Draymond Injury, Jokic outlasts Warriors, and early NBA cup picks

04 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin know which teams will win the NBA Cup Knockout stage, and they're here to tell you about it with Overreaction Action. In the proces...

What does Westbrook Bring to the Nuggets? | Oddball Trivia Tuesday w/ Vince Goodwill

04 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Dive into NBA Trivia Tuesday with Charlotte Wilder, Amin Elhassan, and Vince Goodwill (Yahoo Sports, SiriusXM NBA Radio). Vince and Amin field questio...

The T-Wolves Aren't Fun Anymore and More Awkward NBA Conversations

02 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode of Oddball, Charlotte and Amin dive into a Thanksgiving special filled with awkward NBA conversations! From the Cleveland Cavaliers st...

Are the Warriors the Best in the West? | Trivia... Wednesday? on Oddball

27 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Reigning champ Amin Elhassan takes on Claire de Lune in this week’s NBA trivia battle! Host Charlotte Wilder poses questions about current NBA stori...

Ranking Players and Why Villains Create Champions with David Aldridge

26 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve delayed Trivia Tuesday for a very special reason: Hall of Fame NBA journalist and reporter David Aldridge joins the show to celebrate the re...

Porzingis is Back, MVP Jokic, New All-Star Game Format

26 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Kristaps Porzingis returns tonight for the Celtics, aiming to help extend their winning streak. Meanwhile, Bill Nye the Science Guy brings a unique bo...

Lebron's Social Break, Sixers Trust Issues

21 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

LeBron James announces a break from social media, and we dive into why it might be time for all of us to reconsider our timelines. Plus, the Sixers ar...

Celtics Snap Cavs Streak, Flow State Knecht, Sixers Struggles

21 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Celtics ended the Cavaliers’ winning streak in a nail-biter that went down to the wire. Despite missing key players, the Cavs kept it close, but...

Can the Cavs Break the Warriors' Record? | Oddball Trivia Tuesday with Mo Dakhil

19 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It’s everyone’s favorite time of the week—Trivia Tuesday! Last week, Israel Gutierrez stepped in for Amin and narrowly lost to Jeremy Tache in a...

Inside the NBA, Tatum Travels, Cavs Hot Streak

18 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Big news: Inside the NBA is heading to ABC and ESPN, replacing NBA Countdown. Charlotte and Amin react to the shift and what it says about the challen...

Lebron Shows Out, Bronny Stays In, NBA Cup Group Winner Picks

14 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte kicks things off with a shoutout to Gregg Popovich before diving into LeBron James’ jaw-dropping 35-point triple-double. After that, we ke...

NBA Cup Opening Night Recap: Steph Spoils Klay's Return, Spoelstra Chokes, Hawks Upset Celtics, Embiid's Season Debut

13 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin is back, and basketball is better than ever! The Emirates NBA Cup is underway and has already won over fans, including Amin and Charlotte. Splash...

Trivia Tuesday with Jeremy Tache

12 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It's our favorite day of the week—Trivia Tuesday. Today, we're joined by Miami guy Jeremy Tache. Amin is out, so we have another Miami guy, Izzy Gut...

Giannis Fakes Out Jaylen Brown, Cavs Hot Streak, Jokic an MVP Lock?

11 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

While Amin is away, friend of the show Israel Gutierrez joins Charlotte as co-host. Giannis Antetokounmpo taunted Jaylen Brown with the "too slow" mov...

Steph Leads Warriors Over Celtics, Nuggets End Thunder's Streak, Ja vs. LeBron

07 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

WE HIT 10K subscribers on YouTube—WHOOO!!! But for Charlotte, the Celtics lost to the Warriors, so... booo! And "boo" is exactly what Celtics fans d...

Embiid Suspended, "Ethical" LaMelo, and Oddball Advice

06 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We're back, and Amin has a bone to pick with the NBA. Joel Embiid was only suspended for three games, but Amin doesn't think it's enough. Ja Morant is...

Trivia Tuesday with Izzy Gutierrez

05 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It's that time of the week again: TRIVIA TUESDAY. Today's guest is friend of the show, Izzy Gutierrez, who is coming to take the crown from Amin. This...

Embiid's Locker Room Shove

04 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Things are getting heated in the NBA. Joel Embiid was ready to square off with journalist Marcus Hayes after he mentioned his family in a recent artic...

Surviving The Skirvin Hotel

31 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

BOO! Happy Halloween from us at Oddball. On this spooky day, Amin and Charlotte had to explore one of the NBA's most mysterious myths: the haunted Ski...

Nuggets Struggles, Sixers Fine, and Mazzulla Wants to Fight

30 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Sixers were fined $100K for Joel Embiid's "injury" shenanigans. Head coach Nick Nurse wanted nothing to do with the journalist at the press confer...

Trivia Tuesday: Hakeem Olajuwon Edition with Mirin Fader

29 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It's Tuesday, which means it’s time for trivia on Oddball! Today’s guest contestant is Mirin Fader, senior staff writer at The Ringer and New York...

Doc Isn't Working, But JJ is (at The Car Wash!)

28 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Doc Rivers's struggles in Milwaukee has Charlotte Wilder walking back her Bucks takes from NBA opening night, and Amin Elhassan is going deep on repor...

Is Edey a Bust? and More Overreactions from NBA Week 1

24 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It's day two of the season, and we're ready to give you our sweeping generalizations about the rest of the season. The Sixers are a bust, even with th...

Bronny and LeBron outshine Celtics ring ceremony

23 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The NBA season has finally started after what seems like a long break. To start the season, Charlotte annd Amin attended the Celtics' ring ceremony an...

Trivia Tuesday with Mike Golic Jr.

22 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Mike Golic Jr., co-host of DraftKings' Gojo and Golic, joins us for a Trivia Tuesday showdown. Amin and Charlotte are in Boston as the NBA season kic...

NBA Season Opener Preview

22 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We’re one day away from the start of the NBA season. As one season ends, another begins, with the New York Liberty winning the WNBA championship—n...

Lonzo Ball’s NBA return, Obama’s Starting 5, and an interview with Kristen Ledlow

17 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Lonzo Ball officially returned to the NBA after nearly three years away, and Amin is hopeful he can revive his career, much like Shaun Livingston did ...

Risky Sixers, Yuki-Mania, Wemby, and GM Survey

16 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Paul George is injured before the season even starts, and Joel Embiid said he doesn't want to play back-to-back games ever again. Are the Sixers alr...

Trivia Tuesday with David Samson

15 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin is back for Oddball Trivia Tuesday, and he's joined by friend of the show, David Samson, who will also be his opponent for today's trivia clash. ...

DiVincenzo Drama and Amin’s Hall of Fame Recap

15 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Donte DiVincenzo is starting a rivalry all on his own with the Knicks, creating great pre-season basketball drama before the start of the season and p...

NBA Western Conference Preview

10 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

After previewing the Eastern Conference yesterday, it's only right that Charlotte and Amin dive into the Western Conference on today's episode. They c...

Eastern Conference Preview Show

09 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

With the NBA regular season less than two weeks away, Charlotte and Amin preview the Eastern Conference by exploring the most intriguing futures bets ...

Trivia Tuesday with Jess Smetana

08 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin is out, which means Charlotte is in the hot seat for the newest craze of the NBA media landscape: Oddball's Trivia Tuesday! Jess Smetana joins as...

J.A. Adande on entering the Hall of Fame and Fran Fraschilla on JJ Redick

07 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We crack open the Oddball vault to share two interviews we taped during the summer. The first is a discussion with sportswriter and commentator J.A. A...

Wemby and CP3 First Looks, Doubting Edey, and Randle with T-Wolves

03 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today, guest Israel Gutierrez joins Amin for some Odds and Ends to open the show. They start by discussing Chris Paul's chances of making Victor Wemb...

Odd Media Day Moments

02 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Media days for NBA teams were wild, and Amin and Charlotte are here to give you their honest reactions. They discovered that Lebron and Bronny are a...

Trivia Tuesday with Mike Ryan Ruiz

01 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

If you listen to Amin enough, it can seem like he knows everything about basketball. Well, throughout the regular season on Oddball, we’ll be puttin...

Karl Anthony Towns, Welcome to New York

30 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The NBA preseason starts this week, but we have some big news in the NBA: Karl Anthony Towns is being traded to the Knicks for Julius Randle and Donte...

Celtics Media Day and Interview with Father Time

26 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The preseason starts next week, so it's media day with the Celtics. Jaylen Brown has a new look, and Jayson Tatum has a beef with Joe Mazzulla!? Who a...

Embiid Extension, Tatum Tattoo, WNBA Awards

24 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The NBA season is weeks away, and we're oozing with excitement. Joel Embiid just signed a contract extension, and while both Amin and Charlotte think ...

Roasting City Jerseys, Heel Haliburton, Bye Bye Boban, and Return of the Supersonics?

19 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The expansion era has begun, and the first up is in Oregon, with the returning WNBA Portland Fire team. Next is rumors about the highly anticipated re...

Record-Breaking A'ja Wilson, Cross Country Jimmy Butler, and NBA Fit Check

17 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

A'ja Wilson has been having a lot of success on the court and has become the first WNBA player to score 1,000 points in the regular season, but Amin t...

The First Oddball Debate

12 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It's debate season, so it's only right that Amin "Trump" Elhassan and Charlotte "Harris" Wilder go head-to-head in the first ever Oddball Debate for ...

Jamal Murray's Contract, Angel Reese Out for Season, 2k or not 2k

10 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We're back, and so is Jamal Murray after signing a $208M extension. Amin feels Murray and Jokic are yin and yang when it comes to playing together. A...

Bam & A'Ja and Ranking Clapbacks to Ant Edwards

05 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The most important part of the year is here, and that's NBA in September, not football. Apparently, Steph is a Red Sox fan because of his tenure in co...

WNBA Check-in, Lebron on Bronny, and Weird Celtics Updates

03 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Oddball is back with more razzmatazz than ever! Charlotte and Amin kick off the show with WNBA updates, focusing on the Las Vegas Aces' struggles afte...

Was MJ's DPOY Really Fraudulent? Ft. Ethan Strauss

15 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin shares an interview with reporter and podcast host Ethan Strauss from Summer League to kick off the show. They discuss Ethan's "well-followed" Su...

NBA Rule Change Pitches ft. Tom Haberstroh

14 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Tom Haberstroh joins the show to discuss some rule changes he thinks Adam Silver should consider. Should the league eliminate corner threes? What if p...

"The Devil Named Curry" Propels USA to Gold

13 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin relive Team USA's historic win against France to earn gold at the Olympics on today's episode of Oddball. They use several movie an...

The Future of the NBA with Rachel Nichols

08 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On today's episode, we play part of our conversation with Rachel Nichols about the future of the NBA after their 11-year, $76 billion media rights dea...

Olympic Basketball Quarterfinals Recap

07 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Yesterday's Olympic Men's Basketball quarterfinals featured many close games, but USA vs. Brazil was not one of them. Kevin Durant became the all-time...

Noah Lyles' Last Laugh

06 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Team USA basketball has been running wild in the Olympics, but Charlotte and Amin think the pressure is starting to mount as the quarterfinals start ...

Bam, LeBron, and Durant lead Team USA over South Sudan

01 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin and Charlotte are back in action with a lot to cover! Team USA Basketball team beat South Sudan in a game that we all thought would've been close...

Oddball All-Time Team USA Bracket

31 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Olympics are heating up, so you know what that means... It's time for an Oddball All-Time Team USA Basketball Bracket! Charlotte is joined by gues...

KD & LeBron shine as Tatum sits for Team USA

30 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Oddball is back with our regularly scheduled Oddball reporting. Amin is out, so Juju is back to help Charlotte unpack Team USA Basketball. Lebron show...

NBA Contracts, Olympic Basketball, Summing Up Summer League

18 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

After a long week at Summer League, it's the Oddball crew's last day in Vegas. But before we go, we have to talk about, you guessed it, more basketbal...

2025 NBA Season Preview feat. Rachel Nichols

17 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Rachel Nichols joins the Oddball crew again to talk more about summertime NBA shenanigans. The Olympics are around the corner, and Rachel will be in P...

Bronny, Summer League, and Brunson's Contract feat. Rachel Nichols

16 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The astounding Rachel Nichols joins us to help discuss everything NBA. She helps Charlotte and Amin make sense of Bronny James’ performance at Summe...

Fran Fraschilla On The 2024 Draft Class and Prospects

11 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

JuJu Gotti joins Amin to break down what's going on in Summer League and how nothing even matters during Summer League because the NBA season is vastl...

Kawhi Leonard is Out, Derrick White is in

10 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin is joined by guest co-host JuJu Gotti. He's here to help us figure out whether Kawhi needed the Olympics to cement his legacy after he withdrew f...

Team USA, Derozan and Bronny's Summer League Debut

09 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte is out today, so our favorite supercomputer, Al Gorithim, is assisting Amin. Anthony Edwards feels like the best player on Team USA. Does he...

Surprise: LeBron Returning to Lakers

03 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin and Charlotte begin the show with contractually obligated Lebron James family updates. Did JJ Redick mean it when he said Bronny earned his spot...

NBA Free Agency Frenzy

02 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

NBA Free agency is the talk of the town. Longtime Warrior Klay Thompson is leaving Golden State after an extraordinary career there, but will look to ...

NBA Draft Recap pt. 2: Bronny to the Lakers!?!?!

28 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Bronny James is now a Laker, drafted 55th overall. Bron and Bronny will be the first father-son duo to share the court in NBA history. Twitter weighs ...

Who Are These People?!

27 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin recap their night at the 2024 NBA Draft. They didn’t just find out who was in this draft class: Charlotte also found out OG Anuno...

'Nova Knicks and Paul George to the Warriors?

26 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Thanks to the power of friendship (and an absurd number of draft picks), Mikal Bridges is now a New York Knick. He is reunited with his former Villano...

Ranking the top franchise-altering draft picks in NBA history

25 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The NBA season is over, but Amin and Charlotte are just getting started. We're bringing you our list of the top 10 franchise-altering draft picks in N...

Redick is Lakers Head Coach & Caruso and Giddey Swap Teams

21 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin react to the Lakers hiring JJ Redick as their head coach for the next four years. Amin argues the job is rough, but Charlotte says ...

Tom Haberstroh Rewrites Michael Jordan’s Legacy

20 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Journalist Tom Haberstroh joins Amin and Charlotte to discuss his latest article challenging Michael Jordan's Defensive Player of the Year award. He m...

The Boston Celtics are NBA Champions

18 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin and Charlotte were at TD Garden to witness the Boston Celtics win the Larry O'Brien Trophy for the 18th time in franchise history. They saw Derri...

Film(s) Study for the Dallas Mavericks

14 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte takes a moment to acknowledge how legendary the Boston Celtics season has been. Amin responds to Jalen Brunson sticking up for Luka Doncic a...

*Exclusive* Audio (sorta) of Luka Doncic After Fouling Out in Game 3

13 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin gives his recap from being at game 3 of the Celtics vs the Mavs. The Mavs lost but put up a good fight; even so, Amin feels the Mavs didn't dese...

Porzingis' Injury & Chris Paul Wants His Ring!

12 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Rest In Peace to the late great Jerry West, who helped the NBA in more ways than one, and has a legacy that will live forever.  Turns out Porzingis ...

Was That Loud Enough, Kyrie? Boston Takes Game 2

11 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin and Charlotte got to witness firsthand the Boston Celtics continuing the streak after beating the Mavs 105-98! The team is rolling, but Tatum and...

Celtics Prove White Men Can Guard

07 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin recap their night at game one of the NBA Finals between the Boston Celtics and Dallas Mavericks. Kristaps Prozingis had a heck of ...

JJ Barea joins us to hype up The Dallas Mavericks

07 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Future Hall of Famer, Dallas Mavericks phenom, and Humanitarian J.J. Barea joins the Oddball crew to tell us why the Mavs are winning the Finals and m...

Are Luka, Porzingis, and Joe Mazzulla Liars?!

05 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today, we're playing Lie Detector while we wait for Game 1 of the NBA Finals tomorrow. Is Luka Doncic truthful when he says there is no beef between h...

Caitlin Clark Is Not The First or The Last

04 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The NBA Finals are almost here, but in the meantime, the WNBA has given us plenty to talk about: Caitlin Clark getting shoved. Amin and Charlotte wond...

Mavs-Celtics, Likable Luka, Hated Kyrie and Waller's Ballad to Plum

31 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin discuss Luka and Kyrie dominating Ant, KAT, Gobert and the Wolves in Game 5 and break down why Luka is beloved no matter what he do...

NBA Western Conference Finals Game 5 Preview

30 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Mavs play in Minnesota tonight: will the Mavs end the series? Amin suggests why the Wolves may have a chance to make history. But, if the Wolves l...

The Ant and Kat Show: Wolves Stop the Sweep!

29 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin's pumped for the NBA Finals, but the Timberwolves threw a wrench in things by beating the Mavericks and avoiding a sweep. They played so well tha...

Celtics Secure Spot in Finals & Remembering Bill Walton

28 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Celtics are going to the NBA Finals, Jaylen Brown won the ECF MVP, and Charlotte is ecstatic. Amin questions her confidence since they had a hard ...

Celtics Expose Carlisle as Bad Bluffer

24 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin kicks off the show with a quick victory lap after he correctly predicted the Boston Celtics would blow out the Indiana Pacers in game two of the ...

Mavs Steal Game 1 in "Minnie"?!

23 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin dive into the aftermath of game one of the Western Conference finals between the Dallas Mavericks and Minnesota Timberwolves. They ...

Celtics Put Charlotte in Glass Case of Emotion

22 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin begin the show recapping what it was like to be in attendance for game one of the Eastern Conference Finals. From Tyrese Haliburton...

Semi-Finals Game 7 Takeaways

21 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Minnesota Timberwolves had a historic comeback to beat the Denver Nuggets, but Charlotte-Damus knew predicted this outcome weeks ago. Anthony Edwa...

T-Wolves Crush Nuggets and a Knicks Locker Room Mystery

17 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Larry O'Brien trophy has left Oddball Studios! Amin and Charlotte recap the blowout that was Denver Minnesota Game 6 and react to Jokic's "jokes...

The Celtics still have much to prove feat. The Larry O'Brien trophy!

16 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin and Charlotte are joined by a special guest - the Larry O'Brien trophy! They hand out some other trophies to Bronny James and Wemby in its honor...

Don't Doubt Jokic, Bruson, and Caitlin Clark

15 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Knicks are one game away from the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in 20 years, but let's not get ahead of ourselves... even though Brunso...

Thunder, Nuggets, & Pacers Comebacks, plus Bronny James

14 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin kicks off the show comparing Bronny James to other NBA players based on his performance from the NBA Draft Combine. Charlotte believes the Thund...

Celtics Upset, Calling Out Ben Stiller, & Weekend Preview

10 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte and Amin work through a Celtic's loss at home while Boston players dismiss their superteam status. Wait, what was that noise during Luka Don...

Brunson and Knicks dunk on Pacers and Reggie Miller

10 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Jalen Brunson left the game with an injury in the first half, but wait, there's more; he came back to dominate the Pacers in the second half. Is it sa...

Derrick White = GOAT?!

08 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Amin and Charlotte think players have been suspended for less than what Jamal Murray did at his recent game against the Timberwolves, where he threw a...

Knicks Survive, Nuggets Meltdown, and More Game 1 previews

07 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The Knicks eked out a win over the Pacers, and the Nuggets are now down 2-0 against the Timberwolves as the series heads to Minnesota. Amin and Charlo...

Explaining Star Wars in NBA Terms

03 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It's official: Jalen Brunson and the Knicks have eliminated Joel Embiid, Tyrese Maxey, and the rest of the 76ers after game six last night. Charlotte ...

¡Adios, Miami Heat!

02 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Charlotte's Celtics sent the Heat packing on an early vacation, and she treated herself to a cold cup of Heat tears. Amin goes off on ESPN for trying ...

Tyrese Maxey makes Jon Stewart a Meme

01 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Just because Lebron James is out of the playoffs doesn't mean Amin and Charlotte can't speculate about what his next career move will be! From Cardi B...