Chapter 1: What is Kojey Radical's background and musical journey?
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Martini. Why is he looking at me like that? That is Ed Gamble. My name is James Edcastle. Together we own a dream restaurant and every single week we invite a guest and ask them their favourite ever starter, main course, dessert, side dish and drink. Not in that order. And this week our guest is Koji Radical. Koji Radical. This is exciting, man. I love Koji Radical. Yeah, me too.
23 Winters was his album in 2016. Yeah. He says it's an EP. I say it's an album because it's, quite frankly, 45 minutes long. So I'm pretty sure that makes it an album. It's brilliant. I got to interview Koji around that time for another podcast that I was doing at the time. I promise I'll never do it again. Please. But we haven't had him on our menu yet. Wanted to for ages.
Very much looking forward to hearing what his food choices are. He was also on Taskmaster New Year's Treats. He was brilliant on Taskmaster New Year's Tree. Wonderful contestant. All of his albums are brilliant, by the way. Very talented man. Looking forward to having him on the pod to chat about his dream menu. He's also performing at the Royal Albert Hall on the 20th of May.
People should go and see that if they can. Absolutely. It'll be fantastic. We love the Royal Albert Hall, don't we? We're always bloody there. We're always bloody there. And Koji Radical is going to be fantastic there, so make sure you get along there.
But listen, as much as I love Koji Radical, we will be forced to kick him out of the Dream Restaurant if he chooses the secret ingredient, which we deem to be unacceptable. And this week, the secret ingredient is...
tinned potatoes tinned pots tinned pots tinny pots tinned potatoes tinned potatoes yes those weird this was suggested by an audience member at the palladium yes when we did uh which we love as well which we love the palladium palladium if you're listening don't get don't get jelly and uh i really liked that um And someone shouted out secret ingredient suggestion, tinned potatoes.
I thought, how have we not done that yet? Because they are disgusting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some people who think they're nice, but... Those people are wrong. They're too salty, too chalky and weird and grainy. The water's disgusting. They're really not good. Also, just get a potato. You know? Yeah, just get... Why are you getting the tinned potatoes? Just get a potato.
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Chapter 2: What is the significance of the secret ingredient in the Dream Restaurant?
I'm so sorry. Minutes turn to days. Days to weeks. So we're blaming James for this, though. Weeks to months. Months to years. Years to today. Yeah. At least it's not been decades. Well, you know that, you know, I went to interview you because I had already interviewed you. So, yeah. It was him the whole time. Yeah. Come on, come on. I wanted you on the Taskmaster podcast. Oh, what a good time.
Because you did Taskmaster New Year's Treat, of course. I was really campaigning for a full season. Yeah. We can start the campaign here. Someone started a petition. Yeah. After the episode came out. I was in Australia. So, I was like,
hours behind like 10 hours behind so i've woken up to see the reaction of the episode coming out and i saw there was a whole petition and like loads of people signed it like asking for me to do a full season and they ignored it that is a shame they are tyrants on that show though they will they will ignore i mean you've got to get it up to a amount of signatures that it's discussed in parliament yeah and i plan to yeah i plan to sign my petition please how did you find alex pretty annoying
No, he was alright. The duality of Alex is amazing to me. It's like when he comes into the dressing room and he's just having a chat with you about the show. He's just so, I hate to use the word normal, but he's just so normal. So much so that you forget that he's hilarious. And then you get on set and he just starts talking and you're just like, oh. Oh, I'm going to go any minute now.
I'm going to start crying with laughter. I was trying to hold it together and not look like such a super fan on the stage, but everything was exciting. I thought, oh my God, this feels like real gold. Are you much of a foodie, Cody? I like to eat. Yeah. Yeah, I like to eat. I feel like I can't call myself a foodie because there's still a lot I won't eat. Like what?
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Chapter 3: How does Kojey Radical feel about tinned potatoes?
That's a good point. Should we list the things that you definitely like? Because I'm not eating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely not eating. Now I've taken a stand against pheasant. Not eating. And it's about time someone should. That's a mark of how far you've come. Budget peacock. Get a new trick. It's shit. So would you eat peacock then? No.
And the more exotic the animal goes, the less likely I am to eat it. The most kinky thing I've eaten in the bird world is ostrich. Because I was confused. I wanted it to... I thought, hmm, could do with a chicken burger.
walked up there they had a beef burger they had an ostrich burger they should have told me they did the same thing they should have told me on the spot it's the same thing I was like a bit into it I almost took it back and said what are you doing yeah friend put his hand on my chest stop you'll embarrass yourself yeah so I stopped laughing Mushrooms. I don't like mushrooms.
What do you mean ostrich and beef are the same thing? They're basically... So ostrich is basically red meat. Oh, right. Okay. So it's like by the time it's there between two buns, that could have been a cow. It's the bird version of a cow. Yeah, we could have had one more ostrich in the world still. Unless we're only... It's like only once they've lived a full life. But what's a full ostrich life?
I didn't even know they were being hunted for food trucks. Yeah, I thought they were just chilling out. I didn't know. Someone should start a petition for that. I wouldn't chuck many more petitions out there because you want to focus on the task force. True. No other petitions. I don't think they're conflicting petitions. Just instant clicks these days. You can only direct people so far.
Do you know what I mean? Comment, like, and subscribe. See, that's it. We're done now. Unless we lump the petitions together, so it's Get Cozy Radical, a full series of Taskmaster, plus Stop Eating Ostrich. Yeah, stop that. Yeah. Okra, don't like that. Oh, what? Delicious. No, slimy. Can't be slimy. Well, it's not. What a crispy octopus. If it's like fried, which is basically then it's a fry.
Still tastes nice.
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Chapter 4: What are Kojey Radical's thoughts on reality TV?
It's nice then, but in its slimy state. I like the slimy one. I don't mind the slime, actually. I like it. Love it. Watership down. Not doing it. What? The film? Rabbits. Rabbits. Okay. Just call it all Rabbits Watership Down. That's the faction that they belong to. Yeah. I'm not doing that. There's loads of them that I'm not doing. Anything too slimy I'm not interested in.
I think mushrooms is the only one that's going to give you a problem there. The rest of them are pheasant, ostrich, rabbit. Mushrooms is gross. And I'm sure it does something to my stomach that I'm not really ready to deal with in my adult ages because I feel like I have less in the way to stop it from happening. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
I feel like toilet-related accidents just get more and more likely the older you get. Despite the fact that in your mind you're like, of course I can hold that. Yeah, I'm a grown-up. Yeah, I'm a whole adult person. Then you're just at your doorstep, puddling your lap. Because you can't get your keys out of your pocket on time.
I've noticed in my own life, when I go away on tour, I take more pairs of pants with me now. 100%. Just in case. Just in case. Yeah, yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. Pack an extra pair. Yeah. I'm packing more than one extra pair. Because in my mind, as soon as I leave the country, I'm going to shit myself three times. Yeah. Which could happen. It could happen. Could happen.
And you can be careful all you want until someone's like, oh, I have this. And you think, oh, it's just a Coca-Cola. If you get this ice in it, ice does you over. Yeah. You're done. You're done for. Yeah, they'll do you over. I mean, do you... I went for a precautionary wee before this. Absolutely should have. Because he just gets so annoyed at me, Benito. What, if you have a mid-wee?
If I go, oh, I've got to go for a wee. Mm-hmm. Oh, it goes like that.
it's just feng shui the feng shui and then it's like it's too much of a reset point you've got to just hold it together I hope I can yeah I'm the guest so if I you're the guest it's fine he won't get mad at you we won't get mad at you and you've already told us that toilet related accidents could happen to anyone in front of your mind at any time and a guest has never pissed themselves on camera in this well watch this Koji we're very excited because we're doing the Royal Albert Hall and so are you
You guys are? Yeah, we're Royal Albert Hall buddies. March sometime. Nice. You're there in May. I'm there in May. We'll keep it warm for you. May 20th. Yes, May 20th, Royal Albert Hall. That's really exciting. It is. I'm super excited. There's so much that I like to do with a live show that I've never been able to do before, that I was going to do before, at the Roundhouse, just before COVID.
COVID shut it down. Couldn't do it. And all of these ideas kind of stayed in my head. And we had the Brixton Academy show after that. But I feel like Brixton Academy is still not the right stage for what I wanted to kind of do with that show. So like this one now, that's why there's such a long lead up time. Like we're really kind of take the production value to the sky. Do you know what I mean?
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Chapter 5: What is Kojey's dream menu in the Dream Restaurant?
He can just make calls and people turn up. So yeah, I think this one's going to be very special. We're going to have all the special guests. I think for me as well, I've been doing this a while now. Long time, too long, too long to be rapping. But a lot of the older songs I've never been able to bring to stage in that way.
So I kind of want to go back, do some records from 23 Winners, do some records from In God's Body, Cashmere Tears, and kind of build up this story to where we are today with Don't Look Down. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it. You say too long to be rapping, but one of the really exciting things now with rap music is how you get older rappers talking about things from their perspective.
And that's almost created a whole new genre because it's still quite a young genre. For sure. I think a lot of the time music doesn't necessarily mature in the ways that you'd want it to. And I felt like hip hop suffered with that the most because... the iconographies of it were kind of so like childish in nature. Do you know what I mean? Like, I've got all of this. I've got all the girls.
I've got all the cars. I've got all the money. I've got all this. Eventually it's like, no, we've got mortgages and like prostate checkups and stuff. It's like real old man, grown man shit. I'm worried about toilet accidents. You know what I'm saying? That's why Andre 3000 is just walking around food aisles playing a flute. Yeah. Yeah.
you know what I mean he's just like well I can't rap about this stuff no more he's got I would say he's got too much shit for that for that comment yeah I think I think he was talking more about himself yeah and I still think the rap album's there I think he knows it's like a red button he can push that whenever he wants to and the world will stop
So we always start with still a sparkling water, Koji. Still, please. Still. I don't even like people around me that drink sparkling. And my friends do it to just get on my tits. Yeah. Every time. They know. So I'm like, what are you doing? I just don't even understand. Yeah. This ain't you. Yeah. So you say it as people trying to make out there's something they're not. Yeah.
Like what is the point? There's bubbles in it. Get a real drink. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Full fat Coke. If you're, if you're that about it. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? If you want the bubbles. Take it to the chin. Do you know what I'm saying? This bubble stuff, it makes me itch from behind my eyebrows whenever I drink sparkling water. I hate it with a passion.
Are you not a bubbles guy anyway? Because you were saying out there before we started recording that you hate champagne. I hate champagne. You don't get your kicks from champagne? Awful drink. Awful, awful drink. Awful hangover. What did I miss? Kicks from Champagne. I've got to look at it. James is a secret lyricist. He is, yeah.
He just drops these little bars in the background and he thinks I don't hear them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sneaky. Sneaky little, you know what I mean? Sneaky. But no, awful drink. Awful, horrible. Chuck it away. And is that the bubbles or the taste? Do you know who scares me? Sorry, now I'm here. I'm here. Do you know who scares me even more? Go on.
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