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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Proud sponsor of The Pit Podcast. Learn more at volvocars.ca. Second hour, this is Overdrive, Korolnik, Festchuck, in for Hayes, Noodles, and the O-Dog. Frank Corrado's going to join us momentarily. Sudarshan Yellamaraju, whose name I am really getting good at saying. You are. And this is my, was my concern heading into today's program.
When Doogie told us that Sudarshan was going to join the show, finished T5, Dave.
at the players and he was unbelievable like these guys playing in front of scotty shepherd in front of rory mcelroy was just 19th on the corn fairy tour a canadian lives in mississauga spend his formative years in winnipeg i mean he is uh really taking a big step and i made it my personal mission to pronounce his name correctly as much as i could so kudos to me And you're doing it really well.
And thankfully, you got a little practice because the guys on the PGA Tour broadcast are saying it a lot. They're saying it a lot on the weekend. Yeah, no doubt about that. Well, another name we're saying a lot these days is Austin Matthews. And it's time for something to shoe on, brought to you by Boston Pizza, Canada's favorite sports bar.
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The options, increased team game, sense of embarrassment, too much focus on 34 or better lineups. Where do you cast your vote, Dave? Yeah, I think it comes down to the embarrassment factor, for sure. I'm with you. I think the embarrassment factor that they were widely, widely... Absolutely criticized and rightly so for not responding to the Radko Gudis hit. And then they responded.
They didn't respond, and then Berube presumably chewed them out in the dressing room. And ever since then, five of a possible six points in the standings, they're rolling. And I also think there's the other thing we talked about at the top of the show. All the pressure's off now, man. The season's lost. There is no expectation. In fact, the expectation is we wouldn't mind if you lost.
And here they go to say, now is the time we turn it on. Well, let's call it what it is. The Toronto Maple Leafs. were a national embarrassment for the last five days, right? I mean, everybody's talking about it across NHL on TNT. You're seeing the Kachuk Brothers podcast talk about it. We're talking about it. Everybody's talking about it.
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Chapter 2: What are the Maple Leafs' recent performance trends without Auston Matthews?
And I am curious to know your thoughts on how you think that could affect the team building of the Toronto Maple Leafs going forward. An incident like that. I would call it the crescendo of the season. I think you look at it as maybe the defining moment of the season, perhaps the era of the Toronto Maple Leafs that has been.
If you were tree-living or the people above him, does that do anything, the lack of response with how you're looking to build a team this offseason? Well, how does it not? How does it not do anything for you if you're in charge? Like how many different examples does the group need to say like, hey, we have to be proactive in these kinds of situations and no one can take liberties at our players.
Did you guys see what happened with Dreisaitl last night? Like he gets hit by Ozzy Weisblatt. And the whole night, it was, we are getting Ozzy Weisblatt back. You know, last night, I called the Montreal game, and Kirby Dock got hit. It was a clean hit. The guy who hit him was Jeffrey Vielle, plays for Anaheim.
The rest of the night, any time Arbor Jack guy was on the ice with him, poking him, shoving him, shouting at him. Same with Josh Anderson. It was like they made a point of making sure that, like, hey, man, like, We're going to do everything we can to make sure you're uncomfortable the rest of the night.
Now, the crazy thing is VL had a nice assist for the winner, and he wouldn't fight any of those guys. But that's besides the point. AK, do you remember when Morgan Riley cross-checked Ridley Gregg for that slap shot into the empty net? And that...
play was an overcompensation at the time for the team being called out for not sticking up for one another and not having that jam in that juice and morgan riley took a was it a five game suspension or a six game suspension it was it was an overcompensation and now what we're seeing is another one because of what happened with austin matthews but i would say like What happened in between that?
Like, why did it not go from, okay, we're going to overcompensate on this thing, however long ago that was, and we're not going to let up because we've learned our lesson. But now it's the same group, same players that are on the ice in that situation, and here you go. Like, star players down on the ice.
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Chapter 3: How has the team's lack of response affected their reputation?
So as far as how that affects things, I mean, put yourself in Austin Matthews' shoes. If you're him and his agent, and you're talking about where you want to be long-term, like... he deals with a lot here. He's been heard a lot. And now on top of it, he sees other star players and even just regular players on other teams get hit and go down and everyone makes a big issue about it.
And no one made a big issue for it here in Toronto. Yeah. So I, I would imagine like it would be natural to start having the conversations about like, you know, what does this look like in the longterm? It's it's, I think it's just a natural reaction. Yeah. Frankie, you can look at that a couple of ways, right?
If you're Austin Matthews and you want to look outwardly, you could say, hey, what's that say about my teammates that they don't come to my defense, right? What's that say about my teammates that they don't jump Ratko Gutis and make his life hell for the rest of the night? You could also say, if you were a little more introspective, what's it say about me that they don't come to defend me? Sure.
Where do you lie? Where do you sort of sit on that continuum of how much of this is on the captain for setting the culture that exists on this team? I would put it to you this way. If Toronto was known as a team that was always in scrums and getting after guys and they never let their guard down and they stuck up for everyone. That includes Anthony Stolarz earlier this season.
If that was the case and nothing happened with Austin Matthews, Dave, I think you're right. I think you look at that introspectively and say, well, why am I... Did I do something? Is it me? But... Remember last year? The Buffalo Sabres, Alex Tuck got hit really hard. I think it was Nason. Nason hit him right at the blue line. It was a big hit, and no one did anything.
And that was a big issue in Buffalo. And now you look at the Sabres, Darlene's getting cross-checked. He's fighting. There's a lot of... There's been like a galvanizing moment within that Buffalo Sabres group where you look at it and say, they're not looking back anymore. Toronto never had that, like, we're not looking back anymore galvanizing moment.
And they've had plenty of opportunities to do it. And... You know, furthermore to that, it's not like not every player is going to be comfortable fighting Radko Gudis. Like I could tell you firsthand, I was never a guy that wanted to get into a fight. Like I just it just wasn't for me. But if it's just the mentality of all the players saying. We're all in there.
He can't punch all four of us in the face. He can't fight all four of us. And the worst case, we're just going to jump on him. And we're just going to say, you can't do this anymore. But maybe it just feels like if you're one guy going in alone, the pack leaves you behind the same way that the pack left behind Austin Matthews when he got need. So there is no pack mentality.
Frank Corrado, TSN hockey analyst, our guest here in the second hour of Overdrive. So Bo Grew scores twice last night for the Leafs. A couple of nice goals, too. Of course, languished in the AHL all year long, and now he's up with the big club, thriving. How much can we derive from this, Frank? Because you played in that 2015-16 season for the Leafs.
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Chapter 4: What insights does Frank Corrado provide on the Leafs' roster direction?
And, you know, in the case of Easton Cowan, he wants to be a really good NHLer. So I think that's what you learn about those guys. Frankie, there's a lot of talk about the way this league does not protect its stars. And this is a conversation that goes back to, you can go back a long time in history, Mary Lemieux calling the NHL a garage league and on down the list.
And here it is again because of the five-game suspension handed out to Ratko Gudis. And there's some talk that there should be some reform. And yet I always come back to, you've been a member of the NHLPA, Frankie, and you know as well as anybody that, That there were two players involved in this transaction. Gouda sticking out the knee and Matthews taking the brunt of it.
And the NHLPA in those hearings represents them both, right? And represents them both with the same vigor. The star player is not treated any differently than the guy who took out the star player. And for that reason, I'm not sure how you change things. How do you see it? So you bring up a good point in the sense that we always talk about it from the sense of discipline.
Player X got hit in a bad way, so player Y needs to be suspended a long time. The same group represents both those guys. So financially, the guy who made the hit... Everyone within that group has to come to an agreement that we want tougher suspensions, and we are going to be willing to deal with the financial losses that come with that.
So all of a sudden now, a four-game suspension is really a six or a seven, and I'm out $100,000 more on my salary. And everyone has to be okay with that. And if they are... If the PA is okay with that, they can go to the NHL and say, we are lobbying for tougher suspensions. But then the other side of it,
The NHL and the GMs, they're going to have to sit there and say, OK, well, now we have to be OK with our star, maybe not star players, but our players being suspended longer and being out of the lineup longer. And so both those sides need to kind of come together and say, we want to change the standard and here's what we're willing to do.
I guess until you have that kind of initiative, we are where we are, where GMs don't necessarily want their regular players out of the lineup when they commit infractions. And if push came to shove and you asked me, like, you know, do I want more of a financial penalty because I'm going to be suspended longer? Because you're on both sides of it. The PA is on both sides of it.
The players who get suspended and the players who get hurt. So what's the priority as a group? And That feels like a complex situation for all those parties to agree and say, okay, here's where we're moving. Well, you heard the commentary from Judd Moldaver, who's Matthew's agent, also McDavid's agent.
And you hear McDavid come out and talk about the possibility of reviewing what they should do with player safety. Clearly, that'll be a big topic of conversation down at the GM. That's a big deal, AK. I remember playing in the league and being a guy who was not known. You're just a guy, right? And within our...
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