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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I'm very excited for today's episode. Very quickly, before we get started, one of your final reminders. This Friday, me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein will be up in Toronto doing stand-up shows at Park Hall. I forget the name of the theater, but comicdavesmith.com.
I've been told the shows will be sold out by either tonight or midday tomorrow. So jump on them now if you want to come. I haven't been in Toronto in many years, and I'm looking forward to it. to returning. Presuming I'm allowed. Presuming that Canada is not operating under the same state of mind as the UK.
Anyway, for our guest for today's show, of course, as some of you can see, I'm sure he needs no introduction with any of you guys. The longtime host and founder of the Young Turks, Cenk Uygur. How are you, brother? Good to see you.
Great to see you, Dave. And good news. I was just up in Vancouver last month and they did not ban me. So the Canadians still believe in freedom.
OK, or at least some degree of it there, at least the freedom to criticize Israel and still pop in and do an event there. You know, I should I almost feel like I need to mention before we get started that because I saw you just yesterday. I watched your appearance on Piers Morgan and on Breaking Points. And it seems already when I have you on today, like we did this in response to.
to you being uh kicked out or not allowed to enter the uk but actually me and you had been texting a few days earlier and we were planning on doing a podcast anyway but since this is the big news let's uh start off with that so just quickly take us through like how exactly did this go down you're going over to the uk as far as you're concerned you're going to go give a speech and then do an episode of the uh pierce morgan a debate on the pierce morgan show and how do you find out this none of this will be happening
Yeah. So I go to the airport. I got a big luggage because I was going to go to London first, South by Southwest, and then a bunch of interviews, peers, LBC, BBC, et cetera. And then we're going to go to Oxford. I was going to give a speech Friday night on Oxford Speaks. And then Saturday night, Hassan and I were going to do
uh speech uh an event together at oxford union and so um and you know i really look forward to that uh my sister who is hassan's mom uh was especially looking forward to a nice moment for her where her son and her brother speak at oxford together uh we actually had to check to see if my sister and my wife were also banned because you never know, right?
But obviously there's not much point in going when we're banned. But so I get to the airport and they said, well, we're having trouble with it. So come over to the terminal with us and let's take a closer look at it. And I was like, what are they having trouble over? Because I already had a visa from having gone there last year, right? And those ETAs, as they're called, are last two years.
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Chapter 2: Why was Cenk Uygur banned from entering the UK?
Mayhem is going to break out.
um so okay i'm apparently an enemy of the crown uh first let me just say that dave you're also right that who cares what they think so you know we uh peers asked me about valentina gomez who's also been banned her having bigoted opinions about muslims i was like why is she banned who cares so she's a clown and it's easy to defeat her and so why would anybody be scared or intimidated enough to ban her
Right. So it's just let's have the marketplace of ideas, man. Some skinhead telling us to hate Jews or Muslims or whoever is not going to end the world. It's we've had skinheads our whole lives here. And, you know, I drive the Gropers and Israel first crazy by saying I love Jews. So I got Jewish family. What do you want me to do? Not love them. Right. I'm with you. Yeah.
right so like what a crazy crazy standard but it's hilarious that the groipers and israel first agree right that's the most interesting part and so they're like blame the jews blame the jews i'm like no i'm not going to that doesn't make any logical sense you have to blame the people in favor of the ideology not just random people who are born into a religion right
Well, you know, I had it's funny because I had literally on the show just a few weeks ago. So I had I had Nick Fuentes on the show. And every time I have him on, or the couple times I've had him on, we always get into some type of like, you You know, is it Israel? It's like I say it's Israel in the lobby. You say it's Jews. And then what exactly do you mean by that?
What exactly do I mean by this? And, you know, when he gets into it, he's not just saying it's the Jews. It's every single Jew. That's not exactly his case. There's something more sophisticated than that. But he'll be going like, look, it's Jewish money. It's Jewish organizations. It's this.
And then I'll be like, yeah, but there's a whole bunch of Christian money and Christian organizations that are also involved in the lobby. And so it doesn't really make sense for me to character. But anyway, so. I literally, so I have Fuentes on the podcast, and he's like, no, it's the Jewish money.
And then it was like two days later that John Podhoretz comes out after Thomas Massey's campaign, and he goes, good, it should be known that Jewish money will come get you if you are a threat to the Jewish people.
And so to your point, it was very striking to me to just see that there is like, well, while I'm sitting here and arguing, there's a consensus from Commentary magazine and Nick Fuentes that, no, it is the Jews. And like, I don't know, there is something very interesting about that. And part of these things, I sometimes feel like almost we're speaking past each other because obviously.
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Chapter 3: What implications does the UK ban have for freedom of speech?
Right. And so sometimes it's because they, they're, uh, You know, their talking points suck and they've lost the debate. And I'm now seeing like Zionist debate getting demoralized live on air. Right. And it's not because you and I are so good. I mean, I think we're OK. I think we're pretty good. But it's because they really have nothing to stand on.
When you go to empirical evidence and factual stuff, oh, the Palestinians are terrorists. But then wait a minute, your civilian kill ratio for the IDF is worse than Hamas or Hezbollah. And you've killed 100 times the number of civilians. And we all know you're targeting them because you're doing double taps and you're hitting hospitals and schools and churches and mosques, etc.
So they don't have any evidence. We have all of the evidence. Like if it was debate club, they'd be like, no, no, no, no, this isn't fair. We got to switch it up. Right.
Well, if this I use this example sometimes because, you know, like in in debate club in high school or college or whatever, though, which and this is a way this is to test. Like if you want to test who is the best at the sport of debating, what they do is they have you switch sides of the resolution or like there'll be a resolution and you've got to be prepared to argue either side.
So the way I say it, like I always go, hey, I'm not that great of a debater. I don't think I could win on their side.
like yeah they got all if they got all my points and i had to take all their points i don't think i could win that debate because there's so many better points on this side like that's really just what it comes down to is it's just like i don't know dude like your your side says that we have to annihilate all of gaza because of hamas and then my side gets to go well first of all no you don't have to and number two
You funded and created Hamas. You're like, I don't know. This is a way better side than the side saying we need to. By the way, I want to talk to you about this because the moment we're in literally right now, right now is like such a perfect microcosm of the whole thing, of exactly what we're talking about.
So you have right now a situation where we are desperate to get out of this catastrophic war. We desperately need to rescue the global economy. Clearly, Donald Trump has accepted that he needs to get out of the war. He won't admit that, but he wants to get out of the war. It is such a clear example of where there are the U.S. interests and even the interests of the United States government.
And then there are the interests of the Likud party who say, no, we want southern Lebanon. And they've already announced that they want to annex the southern part of it. And so they go, no, Donald Trump forbids Israel from striking Lebanon. And so they up it and have their largest strikes in months.
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Chapter 4: How do Cenk and Dave assess the relationship between Trump and Netanyahu?
I talk about it on The Arturks all the time. Well, OK, what if you went through this instead of that? Right. But I hadn't gone through that mental exercise you just forced me into. What if I had to debate the Israeli side? And the minute you said it, I thought I sort of got instantly in my head. I was like, I went through all their arguments and like about a couple of seconds.
And then I thought, oh, I know what I do. I would shut down the debate. Because you can't win. So you got to shut down the debate. That is a totally unwinnable side. So, you know, pull a hamstring, pull the fire alarm or call everyone anti-Semites so you can't have the debate.
Or come in and talk about whether you're an expert or you've never been or you've never, you know, it's like. Or the stuff that they call you an anti-Semite. I've seen a dozen of your debates where that's exactly what they're doing. Just trying to stall you from getting to the point you want to make about Gaza. Yeah, that's what essentially that's the best way to play it. Like, I don't know.
Douglas Murray did the best thing he could have done against me. What else was he going to do?
So can I, you know, I owe you a debt of gratitude on that one day because I debated Douglas Murray on Piers Morgan, like way before you did. And he pulled that same bullshit about, have you been there? And, and I was like, what fucking difference would that make? You went on some propaganda junket, et cetera. But at the time the situation was not as, you know, clear as it is today. Right. Right.
So at the time that was right in the beginning of the conflict, Gaza conflict. So people were like, oh yeah, you haven't been there, so he wins. Ha ha, right? And all that stuff. And then you eviscerated Douglas Murray and then people then went back and they were like, oh, Cenk was right. Yeah, what fucking difference is there? Right? Well, there's...
Well, there's a few things there, right? There's a few dynamics. So number one that I think you correctly pointed out is that I got them over a year later. So I had over a year more of the entire public being turned against this whole thing. Or maybe it wasn't a year, but something like it. It was months later, at least. I had a big window of just atrocities being committed since there.
But then the other thing... Because a lot of this is like the social psychology of it. This is the way people are persuaded. Is that part of it, too, is that you got him on a remote Piers Morgan debate, whereas I got him in a room with Joe Rogan for three hours. Oh, yeah. He's screwed.
I had him more in a situation, but not just that he's screwed, that it's like there's the Piers Morgan thing, and this is just kind of the nature of it. It's almost anticipated this is going to get into a food fight. This is going to get into something where it's, I'm getting one up on you. But when you got Joe Rogan,
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