Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
What is up, everybody? What is up? Well, Rob, they finally got Thomas Massey, but he sure scared the bejesus out of him.
Well, I've got a message of hope though, which is a, you can come see me in DC this weekend and celebrate some porches down a pub key. And listen, I'm still getting the message out. I got a whole, I'm doing standup and a whole conspiracy podcast about what the FBI is up to. So don't let these bastards win the fight, come out, support, get together with your fellow porch enthusiasts.
And you know, we got to do what we still can. I might not be able to expose the Epstein files, but I can at least try and make some jokes at the FBI's expense.
dude judging by the the thomas massey party they were having last night there might still be some people partying there by the time you get down there i mean those guys was that in dc or kentucky maybe i should change the show to kentucky and see if uh i can catch the day three of the thomas massey uh party there you go um so all right look store.com sorry port store porch tour.com of course comicdavismith.com for all of our uh ticket links so
Chapter 2: What led to Thomas Massey's loss in Kentucky?
Yeah, look, the primary was last night, and Thomas Massey was unseated. That was the big news of last night. We lost to a plank of wood. Well, he lost to a deep state operative, literally. I mean, literally. The guy who ran against Thomas Massey, he said he has an unbelievable track record, but it's all top secret. But man, if you knew, if you knew.
Anyway, so I wanted to give a few thoughts on this. Obviously, I feel like everyone in this world has been given their take on it. And I think particularly a lot of people were waiting for hours. So I'll say this. I was texting with Liam McCollum earlier today, young Liam, who's a brilliant young libertarian in our camp, and he was a big Thomas Massey supporter.
Then he had, he, he was telling me, you know, just like, basically he's like, oh man, I'm devastated by this, which, you know, understandably. And, and look, of course, maybe I should preface by saying that I don't want this to come off like it's cope or something like that. Like I'm disappointed that Thomas Massey lost.
Obviously it would have been amazing to be able to pull this one off despite them pulling out all of the stops, which we'll get into in a second. But yeah, You know, OK, we didn't win that. Still, I think this is a really interesting moment. And I got to say, I'm I'm seeing the silver lining in this in a way. Now, so anyway, so he was texting me. He was upset. And I sent him back.
What's it called again? The oh, man, I remembered it when I when I text it to him. Have you ever heard that old Chinese story? I think it's called The Parable of the Farmer. Um, so it's a, it's like, it's, it's like an old Chinese story. Alan Watts, there's a, like a popular philosopher. He, he loved this and he would bring it up a lot.
The story basically goes, uh, the story goes something along the lines of, uh, so there's like a Chinese, an ancient Chinese, like peasant farmer. And as, uh, his horse runs away and, uh, his neighbors come to him and they go, oh my God, that's such bad luck. And he goes, maybe. And then the next day his horse comes back and it brings with him four wild horses.
And his neighbors go, oh my God, that's such good luck. And he goes, maybe. And then the next day, his son is riding one of the wild horses and he falls off and he breaks his leg. And his neighbors say, that's such bad luck. And he says, maybe. And then the next day, the army comes to conscript all of the able-bodied men to go fight in a war, but his son gets off because he's got a broken leg.
And they say, that's such good luck. And he says, maybe. And it just kind of, I forget exactly where it wraps up, but that's the old story.
And the idea- With Z in a socialist government?
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Chapter 3: What reasons do Dave and Robbie give for being optimistic after the election?
They were desperate. I mean, not only did they pour in more money than has ever been poured into a congressional race in American history, or world history for that matter. Not like anyone else is spending more money on politics than we do. Like there has never been more resources put into a political contest in the history of humanity. You know, I get it per capita.
I'm not saying like national races and stuff like that, but still it's pretty, it's pretty incredible. They pour the latest estimate that they're putting out now is $32 million from the Israel lobby put into this one congressional district.
Not only that, Donald Trump not only endorsed his opponent, but viciously attacked Thomas Massie as the worst congressman in the history of the Congress or something like that. Donald Trump was tweeting ferociously yesterday. Rob, he doesn't tweet. He doesn't tweet about the war in Iran. He posts on Truth Social. But when it comes to Thomas Massie,
He's on Twitter making sure every last person he could get to see it saw his message. Fox News had a complete blackout of Thomas Massey. Wouldn't have him on the show at all. I wouldn't have him on any other shows while they were featuring his opponent on their highest rated shows. Right. You know, right wing rate boomer radio all went in big against him to Donald Trump sent Pete Hegseth.
The secretary of war. who is conducting an ongoing war to Kentucky, to Kentucky. Thomas Massey was making fun of this dude. They put off the war for a day and sent the secretary of war down there to campaign against Thomas Massey. They had to throw all of that at the wall to get the result, which was Rob. I mean, as we knew this was going to be the case, right?
To get the result that was all right, you beat him 55, 45, and he took 100% of the youth. One hundred percent. Like what this operation essentially did was turn idiot boomers against Thomas Massey.
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Chapter 4: How do the hosts debunk the propaganda surrounding Massey's defeat?
And that sucks. And I shouldn't be rude when I say idiot, because some of them are like genuinely victims of propaganda and are probably good people. But idiot in the sense that they're they can't they don't know enough to see through the propaganda. But it took all of that. And I think in a way. I'm curious to get your thoughts on this, Rob, but what I'm left feeling is kind of like, all right.
You got Thomas Massey out, but in a sense, like some battle lines were kind of drawn here. Okay, it was such a clear demonstration that Thomas Massey, for the crime of... governing as he campaigned for the crime of standing up for what he's always said he believed in, the Israel lobby and the entire Trump administration and the Fox News apparatus decided to unseat this guy from Congress.
But it took everything they have and it only worked because of the boomers who are dying out. I don't know. You know, it's an interesting line to delineate. And I think that In many ways, obviously, this coalition has already been broken up. Obviously, we are already out of the Trump world. But now it's more explicit that like, oh, yeah, and you guys don't want us.
You went after our number one guy. OK, cool. New battle lines are being drawn here. And I think in my humble opinion, I think last night potentially birthed a new movement in this country with a leader and that leader is Thomas Massey. Now people can, you know, the, the, again,
The people out there, which we'll get into in a second, but all the people out there who are defending Trump and the commentators on social media, they'll sit here and try to say, oh, look, Dave's spinning a primary loss in Kentucky as, man, he's the leader of some movement.
But the issue that they have is that the people who are listening to these arguments in this world, in the podcast world, on social media, aren't retarded boomers. And we can see through your bullshit. This campaign is not going to work in this world. Maybe it works for the 75-year-olds watching Fox News, but it's not going to work in this world.
You could sit there and we'll get into some of the reactions, all of them saying, oh, this proves Trump has the juice and Massey doesn't have the juice. Like, no, dude, this proved that $32 million can really influence a congressional campaign, which we all knew already, Rob.
Yes, if you pour more money into a campaign than has ever been poured into a congressional race, you can move some points on there. But, dude, the battle lines are drawn. Thomas Massey is the most popular political figure amongst young people in the country. And the issues that the Israel lobby unseated him for are overwhelmingly popular.
running a national race or even a national Republican primary race as we should release the Epstein files. We shouldn't fight more stupid wars. We should balance the budget. We shouldn't have giant spending bills. Let's see how that works. No, no, no. There's a new movement. Thomas Massey is the leader of it. And let me tell you guys something. This movement could be very powerful.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of Thomas Massey's energy after the election?
And all of a sudden now he's like friends with AOC. And man, he's against Trump and with AOC. Who is this guy? He must have changed. Meanwhile, he stayed exactly the same, you know, and it was Trump who did a 180.
But this is the real sadness to me, is for those that are celebrating it, ignore the polls. Actually, the entire Republican Party is still behind Donald Trump. In the last midterms, from what I remember, Donald Trump's picks did very well, basically, at winning the... um, you know, the race to be the front runner for that, the, the party. And then they did not do well in the general elections.
So the fact that, uh, the, uh, I don't think, uh, the guy that Massey just lost, he was going to lose because that district is so Republican, but some of these other Donald Trump picks, I don't know that they're going to actually win.
And this is just to me, the saddest part about the whole thing is I refuse to support Democrats because, uh, the second they have power, they're, they're worse and in a different way. But now we're going to be in an environment where the people who are checking Donald Trump's power are the Democrats. And the people who might be trying to get us out of this war are the Democrats.
The people that might be talking about why are we sending so much support over to Israel are the Democrats. And I watch congressional hearings now, and the people that I hate are making good points against the administration when it comes to the Epstein files, when it comes to the Iran war. And so, you know...
you might actually have the democrats do well in the midterms and it actually gets us out of some of these messes and has some uh uh you know forces some culpability on the trump administration and i just i mean i hate that at least if massey was there you know you could point to one good republican libertarian who's uh pushing it but who wants to give that win to the democrats
No. And look, in the areas where Massey broke and voted with Democrats, it was things like the War Powers Act. It was things like the Epstein filed release. It was like I mean, these were issues where the Democrats were on the right side of it. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
No, I will say, you know, to your point before before we go into trying to break down these two propaganda angles that I just mentioned, because that is important to do.
Yeah.
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Chapter 6: How did outside funding influence the election outcome?
Jesus. All right, man, that just fucked up my week. Okay. It's like, yeah, you won, dude. Totally. What did you win exactly? The war that you didn't even want last year until you were told you wanted it? Anyway.
People are, you know, are very tribal is think about, you know, human beings are like that human beings like to go to football stadiums and lose their mind over whether team blue gets a ball over a line, and they know it means nothing. They know consciously that this means absolutely nothing.
And it's just a game that men play, but like they lose their mind and identify and feel really good when their team, again, I'm not knocking football. I like football, but it's just the nature of kind of who people are. Anyway, look. With the idea that Donald Trump, as many of these people will be pushing, that this proves that Donald Trump just has the juice.
Well, obviously, Rob, I mean, you kind of already got at this. But if that's the case, that Donald Trump just has the juice in the Republican Party even, then why the $32 million? You know? Like it does. If it was just the case that Donald Trump has the juice, you would think Donald Trump could have just said, you know, I endorse this guy, not him. His tweets about it. He's the worst.
He's the best. That should have been enough. Right. Like, clearly, at least they didn't think that was going to be enough. They also had to pour in more money than has ever been poured in in any congressional contest ever before. Like, so yeah, it doesn't really, if you know anything about this, add up at all that this is just.
that the takeaway from this is just that Donald Trump is so popular and Thomas Massey is so unpopular or something like that. Obviously, this money came pouring in. There was this huge concerted effort. So no, it's not just that Donald Trump had the juice because otherwise they wouldn't have had to do this.
If he just had the juice, they would have just run with that, but they knew that wouldn't be enough. So they knew he didn't actually have the juice to just squash Thomas Massey. And Then kind of the second part of that, which is fairly obvious if you pay attention to it, but is the why. Why did they do this? Why Thomas Massey?
You know, we had one guy in the house and it was important enough to them to get him out of there. Now, what are they going to say, Rob? It's because he voted against the big, beautiful bill yesterday. which ultimately passed. Is that really why?
I mean, I'm just saying like, if it was just about being disloyal, Donald Trump, I mean, I mean, his vice president called him Adolf Hitler a few years ago, and people have been disloyal to Donald Trump and he's gotten over that. You know, if it was, if it just was about not voting with Donald Trump, I mean, they don't put this much effort into unseating Democrats.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of Massey's loss for the future of the Republican Party?
OK, well, Thomas Massey, by the way, even when Thomas Massey broke with Donald Trump in his first term and Donald Trump was talking all types of shit, they didn't put money like this in against him. So what was different this time, Rob? He got the fucking Epstein files released.
He humiliated the Trump administration for covering up this scandal and putting into the light that they're still covering it up and not even releasing the files, even though Trump signed it into law. They also broke down on the Tucker Carlson show how AIPAC, every single member of Congress except him, has an AIPAC handler. By the way, AIPAC is celebrating.
And being overthrown, they're celebrating that they, here, let me see if I can pull up the AIPAC tweet. I mean, this is how crazy it is, Rob. This is this, I know this is just an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, but here's AIPAC on it.
Ed Gowrin's victory in Kentucky and Clay Fuller's win in Georgia ensure two outspoken pro-Israel voices are positioned to fill seats previously held by outspoken detractors Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene. Our community was proud to help pro-Israel candidates win these races. Well, we're proud to help. We're proud to have helped make this happen.
And the reason why we're doing it is because now we've got two people who will send your tax dollars to a foreign country versus two people who were against doing that. There it is spelled out for you. So just like all I'm saying is that in this world, Like this race broke down, you know, you saw the polls. It was like people between 70 and 80 were like plus 55 for Massey's opponent.
And people between like 20 and 45, 55 were like plus 50 for Massey. It's like this clear generational line. And it's obviously a reflection of what media you're listening to, what information you're getting. And all I'm saying is that in this world, for the people getting their media in this ecosystem, We all see exactly what this is. It's clear as day. Sorry, go ahead, Rob.
And it's really going to amplify that dividing line because anyone that's actually awake and following politics sees that the machine is so corrupt that they just spent $35 million to unseat a person who's trying to get us out of foreign wars and clean up the deep state and expose the Epstein files. And people just realize how corrupt this system is.
And so amongst the younger generations that are following new media,
um i mean this is what gives him massey the pathway if he wants to actually do something bigger and run for president but i do think you're right that you know 10 15 years down the line i bet we're still going to be hearing about this of hey this is how corrupt aipac was they managed to spend 35 million dollars to get rid of a congressman because he exposed the epstein files um i mean this is uh
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Chapter 8: How do the hosts view the role of young voters in shaping political outcomes?
That is where the overwhelming majority of the Republican base is. And again, in this environment, if he's running for president and he's doing well, it's going to be impossible for Fox News to block him out in the same way that they did here.
um the internet will be able to put too much pressure on that in in a presidential campaign so i don't think it's delusional at all i think right now i believe very much thomas massey could win the republican uh presidential primary um not saying it's a guarantee and yes they would come for him but how much worse are they going to do than he already he already just went through a maximum they're coming with everything they have campaigned against him
So I absolutely think he could do that. And he would lead a hardcore movement and he would have mass appeal to be able to, to put together a coalition. The only coalition that Republicans can put together and when is the one that Donald Trump put together that Thomas Massey could really do also appeal to independence, also appeal to a lot of left-leaning people.
Also like he is the type of guy who could start a mass movement like that. And you know, much like Ron Paul, It's not because he's like particularly and I don't mean this as an insult at all to Thomas Massey, who I very much admire. But it's not that he's the tallest guy or has the most presidential hair or that he's the most polished guy or he's the best at giving a public speech.
His power really is in the fact that he's a clearly decent, honest human being. And there's something about that that is such it creates such a juxtaposition between other politicians and him. I think I think he's the guy and he could really lead like a real America first, you know, libertarian, you know, kind of common sense, anti-corruption mass movement in the country.
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