Passion Struck with John R. Miles
Nausheen Chen on How to Embrace Your Unique Voice | EP 530
Thu, 07 Nov 2024
In this inspiring episode of Passion Struck, host John R. Miles welcomes Nausheen Chen, a visionary in public speaking coaching who exemplifies what it means to embrace your unique self. Nausheen shares her transformative journey from a top management role at Procter & Gamble to award-winning filmmaker, ultimately finding her purpose as a public speaking coach.Throughout their conversation, Nausheen reveals the power of embracing your unique voice and how storytelling can elevate public speaking. She introduces her innovative "Out In Out" framework, which equips individuals to build inner and outer confidence, helping them connect authentically with their audience.Listeners will discover strategies to identify and amplify their authentic selves, tackle self-doubt, and overcome the fear of vulnerability. Nausheen offers practical advice on structuring thoughts, engaging audiences, and delivering messages that resonate.Full show notes and resources: https://passionstruck.com/nausheen-chen-how-to-embrace-your-unique-voice/Sponsors Mint Mobile: Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at “MINT MOBILE dot com slash PASSION.” Hims: Regrow your hair before it's too late! Start your free online visit today at Hims.com/PASSIONSTRUCK. Quince: Experience luxury for less with Quince's premium products at radically low prices. Enjoy free shipping and 365-day returns at Quince.com/PASSION. For more information about our sponsors and promo codes, visit: passionstruck.com/dealsIn this episode, you will learn: Mastering Public Speaking: Nausheen, a dynamic public speaking coach, brings invaluable insights for entrepreneurs, executives, and anyone wanting to communicate with impact. Her fresh approach is bound to reshape how you think about speaking. A Journey of Authentic Reinvention: Nausheen’s story—from corporate leader to filmmaker to public speaking coach—is a testament to the power of pursuing true passions. Her journey is a blueprint for those considering their own life changes. Innovative "Out In Out" Framework: Nausheen introduces her "Out In Out" framework, emphasizing inner confidence and authentic outer expression. This balanced approach equips listeners with tools to present genuinely and effectively. Conquering Self-Doubt: She tackles self-doubt head-on, offering strategies for silencing negative self-talk and overcoming the fear of judgment. Her insights encourage listeners to trust their inner voice over external pressures. Powerful Storytelling: Nausheen discusses storytelling as a vital element of public speaking. She shares techniques for finding and conveying personal stories that create strong connections with audiences. Connect with Nausheen Chen: https://www.speaking.coach/Order Passion StruckUnlock the principles that will transform your life! Order my book, Passion Struck: Twelve Powerful Principles to Unlock Your Purpose and Ignite Your Most Intentional Life. Recognized as a 2024 must-read by the Next Big Idea Club, this book has earned ten major book awards accolades, such as Best Business Book at the International Business Awards. Order your copy today and ignite your journey toward intentional living!Join the Passion Struck Community! Sign up for the Live Intentionally newsletter, where I share exclusive content, actionable advice, and insights to help you ignite your purpose and live your most intentional life. Get access to practical exercises, inspiring stories, and tools designed to help you grow. Learn more and sign up here.Speaking Engagements & Workshops Are you looking to inspire your team, organization, or audience to take intentional action in their lives and careers? I’m available for keynote speaking, workshops, and leadership training on topics such as intentional living, resilience, leadership, and personal growth. Let’s work together to create transformational change. Learn more at johnrmiles.com/speaking.Episode Starter Packs With over 500 episodes, it can be overwhelming to know where to start. We’ve curated Episode Starter Packs based on key themes like leadership, mental health, and personal growth, making it easier for you to dive into the topics you care about. Check them out at passionstruck.com/starterpacks.Catch More Passion Struck My solo episode on Reinvent Yourself: The Journey from Ordinary to Extraordinary Can’t miss my episode with Jen Gottlieb on How to Create Your Own Success by Being Seen Watch my episode with Rusty Shelton on How You Build Your Authority Advantage Discover my interview with Hilary Billings on the Psychology of Attention, Mastering Short-Form Video, and Personal Brand Building My solo episode on Unleash Your Creativity: The Benefits of Creative Expression If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review! Even one sentence helps. Be sure to include your Twitter or Instagram handle so we can personally thank you!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
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I absolutely agree. Your role is one way of defining what you do, but it may not always be very clear. So for me, it always comes down to who's asking you the question and what context and who's going to be at the receiving end. but making sure that you're actually talking about what you actually accomplish, what are the outcomes of the work that you do.
So for example, I help people become the best speakers they can be. That probably means more to someone versus me saying I'm a public speaking coach.
Welcome to passion struck. Hi, I'm your host, John R. Miles. And on the show, we decipher the secrets, tips and guidance of the world's most inspiring people and turn their wisdom into practical advice for you and those around you. Our mission is to help you unlock the power of intentionality so that you can become the best version of yourself.
If you're new to the show, I offer advice and answer listener questions on Fridays. We have long-form interviews the rest of the week with guests ranging from astronauts to authors, CEOs, creators, innovators, scientists, military leaders, visionaries, and athletes. Now, let's go out there and become PassionStruck. Hey, PassionStruck fam. Welcome to episode 530 of the PassionStruck podcast.
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Chapter 2: How can I become a better public speaker?
I actually really believe in the kindness of strangers and I have actually been on the receiving end of a lot of kindness. The most recent one I can think of is a silly little thing, but it really touched me. I was at a salon getting my hair done. It's something that happens very frequently because I have purple hair for those of you who can't see me.
So I was at the salon, my phone was dead and I had to take a very important call. So I I, of course, didn't have my charger and I'm just looking around like a headless chicken trying to find my charger and there's nothing there. It wasn't there. So this other client at the same place lent me his power bank and he was basically done. And I said, oh, I had put it in and it wasn't charging.
So he said, I'm just going to go for a coffee. You can keep this power bank and I'm going to come back in a little bit and then I can take it back from you. And he had no reason to do that. He didn't know me. But just that little act of kindness, someone willing to give me something of theirs and go out of their way to help a stranger was very touching. I didn't know what to say.
I just kept saying thank you over and he saved my day.
Thank you so much for sharing that. Now, Sheen, you had a really fascinating career journey. You've been a Fortune 50 manager, an award-winning filmmaker, PR director, improv performer. I do improv myself, so that's maybe a question we can get to later on. Looking back, did you feel connected to any of these roles, or did you always feel inside that there was something missing?
Always. I was always the person who looked at... things as experiments. I've always been an experimenter all my life. So I always would ask myself, how deep does this rabbit hole go? So that's why you see all these different trajectories. And I think of it as meandering. I wandered around a lot. I explored a lot before I
I sat down when I was approaching my 40s and asked myself, well, what is it that you really want to do? And believe it or not, I actually went through an Ikigai exercise at the time because I was very lost. I was 38 and had a career pivot already, and still didn't feel like that was my calling in life.
And that's when I decided to combine all these various experiences that I'd had from the improv world, from the film world, but also from the public speaking world, because I had been speaking on stages and on camera for 15 years for fun, not really as a source of living. So
I combined all of those things and then realized that public speaking was the one thing that was tying all these diverse experiences together.
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Chapter 4: How do I conquer self-doubt when speaking?
In my coaching, before we start, we do a self-evaluation of your own communication skills and an anonymous peer feedback process, which is very eye-opening for everyone, where we ask 15 to 20 people that you work with how they feel you come across as a communicator. So that's looking at how you're being perceived, going on the outside. Then we work on the inner confidence piece.
What is it that you're thinking before you step on that stage? What are the beliefs that you've held that aren't helping you become the best speaker you can be? How do we tackle that? How do we make sure that the confidence that you want to portray on the outside has a very direct link to the confidence you have on the inside?
And then we take it outside where we look at what are the performative aspects of confidence that we as human beings have learned to associate with confident behavior.
So standing with good posture, projecting your voice, not using a lot of ums and uhs, having clear, concise messaging, making eye contact, all those things that we've learned as an audience to connect with, oh, this speaker is confident. You need to know as a speaker what to do so that you create that perception intentionally.
So that's looking outwards, then going inwards, and then coming out again. And that's what I teach in terms of what I call a speaker's toolkit. So you should always know how to play with your voice, how to show up with different types of energy, how to use your body language. Those are all outward confidence tools that help you come across as an amazing speaker.
I want to talk about one of the most common scenarios that we often find ourselves in. And it's a question that I've always hated getting throughout my life. And that is, what do you do? I think so often, and you mentioned it earlier in this conversation, when you get that question, you typically answer it with a role that you think defines you. So for you, it might've been, I'm a filmmaker or
When you were at Procter & Gamble, it could have been something different. But we tend, I guess I would have used at one point, I was a CIO or I'm a vice president, those types of things. But I think there's a much more comprehensive and maybe simpler way to answer this question that ends up blowing people's minds by how you respond. What's your take on this?
What you actually do is a very specific outcome of your role. So I absolutely agree. Your role is one way of defining what you do, but it may not always be very clear. So for me, it always comes down to who's asking you the question and what context and who's going to be at the receiving end.
But making sure that you're actually talking about what you actually accomplish, what are the outcomes of the work that you do. So, for example, I help people become the best speakers they can be. That probably means more to someone versus me saying I'm a public speaking coach.
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Chapter 5: Why is storytelling important in public speaking?
It really depends on the platform and on the audience. The reason why I said I help people become the best speakers they can be is we've already had quite a bit of a conversation and we've talked about many different things that I do in a lot of detail. So in this context, I felt that I don't need to over explain that piece of confidence and the difference that it makes in people's lives.
But yes, for sure, taking it to another level, not just talking about the how piece of it, but really talking about the deeper impact that you can have on people's lives. I help you uncover the confidence that you didn't have when you spoke. That would be a more meaningful way of describing the work that you do. There's a fine balance though. I would say that
It really depends on what kind of an audience is listening in, because for some, that answer might be a bit too high level because you also don't want to be too vague and you don't want people to not be very clear on what you do, especially if you want them to be future clients, for example, especially if you want them to know what it is that you can actually help them with in a concrete way.
Well, thank you for sharing that. And today we've been talking a lot about that the key to impactful public speaking isn't following necessarily a checklist of rules, but it's amplifying who you are and how you're serving your audience. Can you explain how someone can figure out what parts of their personality to spotlight when speaking?
Yes, that is a process that you would start after learning to be a strong speaker. So I always think of it in these two steps, because the very first thing that you need to do when you're learning to excel in any discipline is looking at what has come before you. What are the masters saying? How are they working with the discipline?
So if you want to be an artist, the first thing you do is you study the greats and you look at their techniques. That's what I call learning. understanding and using the speaker's toolkit. So that's the first step, which is just looking at yourself and looking at what are the different ways that you're already speaking and what are your strengths and what are the opportunity areas?
How can you be a strong speaker overall? And then step two, once you understand how to work with your voice, how to use your body language, how to show up with the right energy, then you look at how can I add parts of my personality in this so that I don't sound like every other good speaker. That's where you lean into aspects of your personality. You figure out
Am I going to be, for example, a standoffish, colder, more perhaps sophisticated personality who doesn't always smile but contributes their opinion and expertise? Or am I going to be a more friendly, approachable personality that smiles more and emotes more and is more outgoing and shows that personality part of me, which is not that you want to come to me, but I want to go to you.
So those are the decisions that you would make at that stage where you purposefully look at what is the aspect of your personality that you want to showcase. I always think of one of my favorite clients, Lara Acosta here, because when I first started working with her, I asked her these questions. What part of you do you want to show?
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