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Chapter 1: Can the government really stop you from cutting down your own tree?
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The day that Sarah Bond finally became a homeowner, she had almost given up. It was 2021. The housing market was red hot. She and her husband, Joel, kept getting outbid. They were starting to think maybe their family would never have a place they could make their own. A place where she and Joel could plant blueberry bushes. A place where their daughter, JoJo, could raise baby ducks and chickens.
Then she got a call from her realtor.
She left a voicemail and she said, congratulations. And I was like, what? I just started like, I was like, no way. And I told my husband, he was like, are you serious? Are you kidding?
The house that was now their house was... It was white with black trim, two stories tall. It was nicer than she ever thought she could afford. And it was located in their dream neighborhood on a tree-lined street in southwest Portland. She remembers when they first went to visit the area.
And as soon as we opened the doors of the car, we just hear like an eruption of children laughing and screaming. And there were just all these kids like rolling down the hill. And they're just like tumbling all over each other. And it's just like magic.
Sarah's favorite part about their new home was the huge yard. She used to work at a garden center, and she loved how many plants and trees were grown around their home.
About a week or two after they move in, Sarah's in the backyard when she realizes that one of the trees is growing at a kind of weird angle. It's this huge Douglas fir.
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Chapter 2: What happens when a homeowner's tree poses a danger?
It's like 100 feet tall. And it is so big that standing in the backyard, she couldn't even see the top of it. And it is leaning towards the house.
When I first noticed the lean, my immediate feeling was like, oh my gosh, this should have been taken out like yesterday. Like this is really scary.
It was like this tree of Damocles just looming over them. Sarah kept picturing it falling.
This tree wasn't going to like fall and, you know, put a hole in our roof. It was going to fall and we would be lucky to walk away.
Sarah and Joel start looking into how to remove a hundred foot tall tree from your backyard. They find out that they need to get approval from the city because in Portland, like in many places, anytime you want to remove a large tree, you have to apply for a permit.
And Sarah's like, well, clearly this tree is dangerous, so let's just get this permit. They go online, fill out the forms. Pretty soon, a city inspector comes to look at the trees. And a couple weeks later, Sarah and Joel get the letter.
I have a memory of my husband, like, walking into the living room and saying, oh, they denied our permit.
I was like, what? The city had determined that the leaning tree looked healthy and normal and that removing this tree would significantly affect neighborhood character. So the city would not let the Bonds cut down their tree.
It was so surreal. And like, I couldn't, I was in a state of disbelief for a long time.
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Chapter 3: How do city permits affect tree removal decisions?
Here in the United States, the general rule is that towns and cities have a lot of power when it comes to land and how people use it. Towns and cities can pass zoning laws. They can ban certain types of buildings. They can even require houses to look a certain way.
But can a city actually stop you from cutting down a tree in your own backyard? Today on the show, when does a zoning law go too far? And how the fight over tree laws is changing the answer to that question.
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Sarah Bond didn't know it at the time, but when she bought her house with this tree of Damocles looming over it, she was stepping into a larger battle over what ownership and property rights even mean. A battle that has been escalating over the last few decades. And the front line of this battle involves a tree law over a thousand miles away in the township of Canton, Michigan.
Canton is about 40 minutes west of Detroit. Picture your classic American suburb. Lawns are neat and tidy. Streets have names like Cherrywood Lane and Beachwood Drive.
Canton is basically the ninth largest community in Michigan. It's got over 100,000 people.
Anne-Marie Graham-Hudak is the township supervisor.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of tree protection laws on property rights?
She's like the mayor. She is Canton's number one fan. She's got this real earnest energy.
We have about 414 miles of roads. We have 1,100 acres of parks. And we have, yeah, lots of trees.
How important are trees to the people of Canton?
Oh, they're very important. Are you kidding?
Yeah. The town flag, which was flying outside Anne Marie's office, has a big green tree on it. But as Canton, Michigan grew over the decades, as developers put in more strip malls and suburban subdivisions, the town was losing more and more of its trees.
It got to a point in 2006 when the town's leaders decided to do something.
if people can come in and just start raising fields of trees and we had no say in it, that was scary to us because we have so many wetlands, we have so many natural areas, and we did not want a town that turned into all concrete.
Anne-Marie says there are a lot of reasons why trees are better than concrete. Trees filter the air and provide shade. Their roots help absorb stormwater and prevent floods. Studies have shown that trees can even save lives by keeping neighborhoods cool on hot days.
And so in Canton, we want to keep that balance. We're very, very cognizant of the health of the community. And we're responsible for keeping that healthy community.
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Chapter 5: How did a tree ordinance lead to a legal battle in Canton, Michigan?
But you don't live isolated in a bubble.
Anne-Marie says these tree permits were all about protecting the neighbors, too. The town wanted to hold people accountable for how removing a tree would hurt the community by taking away shade, increasing the risk of floods.
Now, in Canton, this tree permit ordinance mostly applied to developers, not homeowners. And the township would usually grant developers the permit as long as they agreed to either plant a replacement tree on the property or pay a remediation fee. That fee, usually a couple hundred dollars per tree, would go into the township's tree fund.
And this is a pretty common system in a lot of towns and cities these days, from Dallas to Denver to Mobile, Alabama. A lot of these places have similar laws requiring people to compensate the community when they cut down a tree.
And in Canton, Anne-Marie says that the system worked pretty smoothly. The township issued thousands of tree permits, and along with developers, they replanted thousands of trees.
Until, that is, the spring of 2018. That is when the township discovers that, on the edge of town, an entire forest has secretly gone missing.
The only reason we found out is because a neighbor told on them.
Someone had cut down all of these trees. So the town sends an official to investigate. And what they find is just mud and tree stumps. Property owners out there have clear-cut about 16 acres of woods. Just like that, no permits, no notice, nothing. The town leaders are shocked.
Anne-Marie knows these property owners. A lot of people do. They're local businessmen. One of them owns a sign company. The other two run a trucking company.
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Chapter 6: What arguments did the lawyer present against the tree permit laws?
And instead of saying, oh, well, we'll pay this much or how about we plant these trees, whatever, they hung up and they called the lawyer and then all the lawsuits started.
This is how Canton, Michigan ends up at the center of a major legal battle. A battle over not just the tree protection law, but about the limits of what cities can even do when it comes to permitting and zoning.
This dispute makes the local news. And from there, it quickly attracts the attention of a lawyer named Chance Weldon. Chance had been looking for a case just like this.
I'm the director of litigation at the Texas Public Policy Foundation. And that means that I sue the government for a living, which is an absolutely sweet gig.
The Texas Public Policy Foundation is this free market think tank. And Chance is a constitutional lawyer. He's one of those constitutional lawyers who cares a lot about property rights. He says as a kid growing up in Houston, he learned a lot about what it means not to have property rights. His parents were renters. They didn't own their own home.
And the one thing that always stuck out to me is like, you couldn't have a tree house. You couldn't change things in the yard because you had to ask the landlord first. And the thing that distinguished to me ownership from renting is not having to ask the landlord. And so anytime I see the city come in and act in ways that remind me of a landlord,
It just sets off my alarm bells of somebody's property rights are being violated.
Around 2018, Chance's property rights alarm bells were going off on account of these tree protection ordinances. He'd watch them pop up all over the country, including where he lives in Texas. To him, these towns were pretty obviously violating people's property rights.
And OK, now the idea of property rights seems simple, right? They're what you get to do when you own property.
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Chapter 7: What was the outcome of the legal battle over tree permits?
But he and the folks he works with think that modern zoning and permitting laws have gone too far. He thinks a lot of them are unconstitutional, that they violate what is called the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment.
So the takings clause says that the government cannot take private property except for a public use and with just compensation.
The basic idea here is the government can't force you to provide your property to the public for free.
So traditionally, that has meant that the government can't physically take your land without paying you for it. But there's also something called a regulatory taking. The Supreme Court has said that when the government puts too many regulations and restrictions on a piece of property, that's the same as taking it away.
And so then the question becomes, when has the government gone too far by regulating what you can do on your property that it's effectively taken it away?
Now, for more than 100 years, some people have been trying to argue that zoning and permitting laws violate the takings clause. They're like, if the city is going to tell me what I can or can't build on my own property, it's basically acting like the city owns my property. But mostly those arguments have not been that successful.
Yeah, by and large, the rule is that cities these days mostly get to do whatever they want when it comes to zoning and permits. They can even regulate the look and feel of a neighborhood. They can force you to paint your house a certain color because, you know, a tacky looking house hurts the community. But there are some limits and Chance the Lawyer wants to test those limits.
When he hears about the fight over the tree permits in Canton, Michigan, he reaches out to the attorney for the local property owners and offers to help them out for free. Eventually, in 2021, one of those cases reaches the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, which is one rung below the Supreme Court.
One of Chance's main arguments is based on this old case from the 1980s, where the Supreme Court said that the government can't force someone to put an unwanted cable box on their property. That that is an unconstitutional taking, because the government is taking away your right to use a part of your property.
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Chapter 8: How did the tree incident impact Sarah Bond's view on homeownership?
The township was like, no, this isn't about trying to force property owners to provide a benefit for free. It's because when you take down a tree, that makes flooding worse. It makes neighborhoods hotter. It harms the community.
Now, the Sixth Circuit did not quite buy Chance's argument that this was an unconstitutional occupation of their property. But Chance also had this clever backup argument. He was like, OK, if the problem here is that when someone cuts down a tree that hurts the rest of the community, fine, but not all trees are the same.
And this tree ordinance in Canton didn't take into account whether it was a big tree that was getting chopped down that provided a lot of shade for people or a tree in the middle of nowhere that didn't benefit that many people in the community.
And the Supreme Court has said that permit requirements have to be proportional to the harm the permit is trying to prevent. Unreasonable permit fees can be an unconstitutional taking. So Chance was like, whatever fee the township wanted to charge for removing a tree has to be related to that specific tree.
And in this case, the township's one-size-fits-all policy valued his client's trees too high. So basically, the half a million dollars total that the township was asking for, too much.
In the fall of 2021, the court comes out with their decision. And Chance wins on this narrower argument. The court says that the way Canton is doing its tree permits is unconstitutional, which means that the township needs to fix it. And Chance's clients, in the end, they don't have to pay the township anything.
It's like, oh, man. You know, not only does this solve the problem for my client, but it's going to open the door to, you know, expand property rights and protect property rights and attack a lot more of these permitting regimes.
This is one of the most high-profile wins in a property rights case in a while. And Chance is excited because permit laws are one of the main ways that towns and cities restrict people's property rights. He thinks that this decision will make it easier to go after cities that charge too much for permits, maybe stop them from making too many unnecessary demands.
For Anne-Marie, the supervisor of Canton, the court's decision was a big blow. Did it surprise you that the township lost?
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