Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop.
Chapter 2: What significant event changes Saskia's life?
What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast.
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Suddenly she's dating Mick.
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Chapter 3: How does the story of Mick's past unfold?
Oh, so they dated. For real? Oh, yeah. For six months. Registered her Jenna on November 18 1995 so she had a new car within two weeks Yeah, but it's not until this interview which is her third one that she says that she was with me Correct.
Let's talk about more than other you want to talk about how this guy can look the other way when it comes to Nick You got to talk about his campaign the next year who paid for that shit. I knew about a mixtape a mixtape a haunted tape It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea. This is Anna Trainor's voice, which I hadn't heard in 30 years. It's the infamous Haunted Tape.
It turns out it's a mixtape that Anna made in 1995. So, there's music, of course. Songs like Sour Times by Portishead. Songs she... must have loved or felt compelled to share. But also, like a lot of us did back then, Anna recorded herself talking, and mostly she sounds like a teenager. Intense at times, like when she reads Edgar Allan Poe.
I was a child, and she was a child, in this kingdom by the sea. But we loved with a love that was more than love. I am my Annabelle Lee, with a love that the winged seraphs of heaven coveted her and me. Other times she's completely irreverent, like when she records herself going through a drive-thru at McDonald's. And number two. No pickles? With a Coke. Two Cokes? Please. Mmm. This is so good.
No. No, never mind that she drinks like a glass of like, or like not even like a glass. She drinks like a bottle of wine like every night, which is poison every day. Oh, but God forbid I have a fucking Coca-Cola. Well, you know what, Lainey? This one's for you. Chock-a-little latte. Wait. One, two, chock-a-little latte. Chock-a-little latte, that's you! I have no idea what's going on here.
Some kind of in-joke. Wait, that look on the lady's face when you said that. I can't believe you said that. I can understand why the rumors started that this was a voice from beyond the grave. There are moments that feel eerie, especially not knowing what happened to her. I love you. I really do. I'll do whatever I say. It felt like a window cracked through time, a direct connection.
I thought for sure it would open up a whole new line of investigation, but actually it had the opposite effect. I am actor and filmmaker Ryder Strong. This is The Red Weather. The last week had changed the way I was thinking about Anna's disappearance.
I was talking with Sheriff Maldonado, the lead investigator from 1995, and starting to wonder why he chose to focus on some suspects and ignore others. I know he got **** to change the story. Got Maldonado to look the other way. And I had sat down with Sparks, an old acquaintance who was convinced... convinced that Maldonado and the Sheriff's Department were thoroughly corrupt.
Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend who is all pissed because there are girls sleeping around? I kind of agreed. I'd gotten the vibe that Tender Hearts was a boogeyman for Maldonado. But why would they want it to not be Mick? Well, one reason might be Mick's family. His dad.
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Chapter 4: What role does the mixtape play in the investigation?
What's this? I meant the trial. That's no murder. Oh, really? Yep, drugs, death, death, drugs, you know, doesn't get old. Okay, gotta get back. Recess is probably over. Talk soon, yeah? Yeah, okay. Thanks. Thank you. I watched her hurry into the courthouse. It was really hard for me to imagine her job, covering multiple cases, the crime beat in general.
I was only looking into one case, and I was overwhelmed. I got home, dusted off my parents' old tape player, and got it working. Anna's mix is 120 minutes, and it's full. Okay, but you have to listen to the whole thing. You can't fast-forward it. The first song was Nick Cave's Red Right Hand, which launches Anna into a rant about society. I think you just, like, need it to be true that, like,
you like me and that I like you, but it's not okay. It, like, isn't okay for society. It's what I'm saying. So I say, fuck society.
Chapter 5: What insights does the haunted tape reveal about Anna?
Then there's the really unnerving presence of Concrete Blonde's Tomorrow Wendy with its chorus. And now, for your listening pleasure, some more chick music. Saints by the Breeders was a song I didn't know. It definitely has a manic 90s energy. So much of what she was saying didn't make sense, but one thing was clear. It put Mick front and center again. You're my sailor.
You're my real-life Mickey. Because you are so cool. I sent Monica a digital copy that I made by running the line to my laptop. I was excited. It felt like real progress. There was no way the sheriff's department wouldn't revisit Mick as a suspect now. But then I mentioned sharing it with them to Monica. Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. I would not do that. Not yet. What? Really? Why?
Ryder, you got a source telling you they buried this case. They're corrupt. They took bribes. Okay, well, that's Maldonado maybe, but Lachlan? They're going to ask you where you got the tape. Look, don't mention my name. Why not? I've earned your trust. I gave you the tape because she told me that was all right. She chose not to turn it into the cops for 30 years.
Well, but they told me that if there's new evidence that they could open up the case. You believe them? You want that? Well, maybe, yeah. Greer, the guy, the liaison that they put me, he loves me. He's like, he's actually, ridiculously, he's a fan. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. Look, don't fall for that, okay? These are not your friends.
Every cop, every team, law enforcement team that I have worked with, given a choice between something that makes them look bad and the truth, they never choose the truth. The more I thought about it, I didn't feel right not sharing evidence. So I didn't heed her advice. I wish I had. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband Mike was on his laptop.
What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. To keep this secret for so many years, he's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark.
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This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens, correct? I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant. they would uncover a disturbing pattern.
Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Gillespie and Michael Marangini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news out of Maricopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.
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Chapter 6: How does Mick's family background influence the investigation?
Sheesh, sounds like a lot. Well, legally, they're supposed to respond in 10 days, but you see how it works, so. Okay. I paid the bill. With Sparks off the grid, the tape with the sheriff's department, and having interviewed most of my family and friends already, I started to feel like I should probably head home. How's Indy? I called my wife, Alex. Oh, hell, he's okay.
You know, already crying about having to do the conservatory on Saturday, even though, yeah, it's five days away. Alex had been holding down the fort back at home for almost three weeks now. She's in the business, too. And like most of us these days, she's a multi-hyphenate. Writer, director, producer, actor.
When you're married and both of you work this way, where everything is freelance, you have to take turns. Whoever's got a job, whoever's got a project, the other one becomes a single parent. And the truth was, going back to my hometown and looking into Anna's case was a little different. Not an actual job. She would never say so, but I was pretty sure Alex's patience was wearing thin.
Have you been able to write? No. I was supposed to be writing a script, an actual job. It was due in a matter of weeks, but I hadn't even written a word yet. I know, I know. You think I should come home? I didn't say that. No, but I can feel it. I just, that is a job that you have, right? I know. You're supposed to be writing. That's all you ever want to do is write, and you're not doing that.
It's fine. I'll come home. I mean, there's nothing happening here, and I can't just keep sitting around. Right then, though, an email came through. Oh, wait. I actually just got a note from the sheriff's office. Can you come in and meet me at 9 a.m. tomorrow? Yeah? I guess they listened to the tape. The next morning, I went to the building and waited to see Greer.
I couldn't wait to hear his thoughts on the tape. Finally, I was no longer begging for access or evidence or a return phone call. The sheriff's department was taking me seriously. And this is really painful to admit, but while I sat there, I actually had a fantasy. I mean, I know it's ridiculous, but I couldn't help it.
It was me embedded with Greer and a team of cops, like a SWAT team, I guess, and I'd have my mic and my headphones, so I'm recording audio while we jumped out of the vans and marched into this big office building. It's J-Light. Mick's company. Shock faces of employees. Mick protesting while Greer cuffed him. And then Mick would catch my eye.
But then, while waiting in the lobby, I got a text from Monica. It said, Sparks may have been right. I texted her back. About what? She replied, with three dollar bills. Follow the money. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing.
And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. To keep this secret for so many years, he's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who preys on vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor might go up in good.
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Chapter 7: What evidence challenges the sheriff's department's integrity?
Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, former Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice, Ms.
Owens, correct? I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant. they would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Gillespie and Michael Marancini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young.
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I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real.
I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go. Our iHeartRadio Music Awards are coming back Thursday, March 26th, live on Fox.
Watch as we honor the biggest stars from all genres of music that you loved listening to all year long on your favorite iHeartRadio station and the iHeartRadio app. Hosted by Ludacris. Icon Award recipient, John Mellencamp. Innovator Award recipient, Miley Cyrus. With performances by Alex Warren, Kehlani, Lainey Wilson, Ludacris, Ray, TLC, Salt-N-Pepa, and En Vogue.
Plus, Taylor Swift makes her first award show appearance this year. Also, gold medal Olympian Alyssa Liu, Neo, Nicole Scherzinger, Nikki Glaser, Sombra, Weezer, and more. Watch live on Fox Thursday, March 26th at 8, 7 central. And listen on iHeartRadio stations across America and the free iHeart app. I called Monica back from the lobby.
Ryder, there are two contributions to the 1996 Maldonado campaign. Okay. These two companies, Free Flow and Overture Holdings. Thomas Bolden was on the board for both. That would be Mick's dad. Well, Jesus, I'm walking into Greer right now. Strong. Wait, is he going to let you record? Yeah. Okay. Well, then you've got to ask him about this. Just get his response in real time.
No, I'm not sure I can do that. I don't know. Ryder Strong? Yeah, no. I gotta go. I gotta go. I gotta go. When Greer walked me down the hallway, I tried to give him something that I had found at my parents' house while digging out the tape player. Uh, hey, so here's what I found. Mm. What's this? It was a Boy Meets World script from the 90s.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the campaign contributions?
Look, we're all for journalists. Obviously. We invited you in here, right? We're letting you record right now. All we want is more eyes and ears on any case. We want everyone to come forward. Tell us what they know. Okay. But then, this wasn't just about me. We heard you've been talking to Monica Trembley. Uh-huh. You know her history, right? She's got a bit of a reputation. For what?
She has had to retract more than one story. published some things before she gets all the facts, and then other times not publishing things, not sharing information that could help. If you listen, you can hear my phone going crazy. Do you need to get that? No. We're the ones who can solve this case. We have the people. We have the resources. We are the professionals. Not Monica Trimbley. Not you.
It does sound like you're going to reopen the case. When I asked that, They looked at one another. If we verify the tape, then it could move up the chain. And Greer, he'll put it on his active rotation. But we need full transparency. Anything you find, any information you have, anybody that comes forward that's... Yeah, of course.
I'd walked into this building with this fantasy that I would help crack the case and join the SWAT team, take down a criminal... And I'd love to tell you that this was the moment that I did the right thing. Did the bold thing. But unlike Monica, I am incredibly uncomfortable with conflict. Turns out, I am just an actor with a podcast. So I didn't tell them how I got the tape.
I didn't tell them about the pager I found. I didn't mention Sparks. And I didn't confront them on the campaign contributions. You didn't say anything? Monica wasn't happy. No, I mean, they wanted to know where we got the tape. You have to push back. I mean, maybe eventually, but right now I'm not in the position. I don't feel like I'm the right person to do that right now.
If you're not going to go for this, then what are we doing? Okay, well, I will go for it. I'm just, right now, you know, I want to get all the information. I'm looking at these people, and they're helping me. They're probably going to reopen the case, and I'm looking at them, so I don't want to... No, no, no, you're just tiptoeing around. You're just not trying to piss anybody off.
Well, yeah, why should I? You know, I don't want to piss them off unnecessarily. But they're not your friends. Who cares? I know, but they might be reopening the case, right? And if I piss them off, then they don't talk to me. Nobody wins in that scenario. Ryder, you've only been doing this for a few weeks now, right? They have had this case for 30 years.
And you have done more on it than they have. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know? All right, I'm off. Bye, guys. Bye. I left my parents and drove back to L.A. that day. I listened to Anna's mix on the way, justifying the fact that I hadn't confronted Lachlan and Greer. I'm not a journalist. I'm not a detective.
Maybe I'd done some good, kicked over a few stones, and I found the tape. Hopefully, they would reopen Anna's case. I could go home, get back to my writing job while they looked into it more. And this idea that the sheriff's department might be corrupt or had been corrupt, that was important, of course, but was it my battle? Monica's the professional. She could keep digging.
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