The Supreme Court hits pause on Alien Enemies Act deportations—for now—and some MAGA diehards advocate for Trump to simply ignore the court. Pete Hegseth stars in the Signalgate sequel, reportedly using his personal phone to share top secret information with his wife, brother, and lawyer—with more bombshell reports to come, according to a former Pentagon spokesman. Jon, Lovett, and Tommy discuss the latest on Trump's deportation agenda, whether Hegseth's days as Defense Secretary are numbered, the accidental email that reportedly set off the Trump administration's war with Harvard, and the untimely passing of Pope Francis. Strict Scrutiny's Leah Litman joins Lovett to break down the Supreme Court's emergency order and the administration's efforts to evade the rule of law. For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email [email protected] and include the name of the podcast.
Chapter 1: What is the Supreme Court's emergency ruling on the Alien Enemies Act deportations?
On today's show, we're going to cover the Supreme Court stopping Alien Enemy Act deportations for now and bring in strict scrutiny's Leah Lippman to tell us what it all means. We'll also talk about Pete Hegseth's second signal chat scandal and the mutiny against him from within the Pentagon, how the White House started its war with Harvard by mistake.
and the passing of Pope Francis, who held on just long enough to dunk on J.D. Vance. But let's start with the biggest news from the weekend, which is that the Supreme Court has inched even closer to a full-blown confrontation with the Trump administration over their use of the Alien Enemies Act to deprive people of Any due process before disappearing them to prison in El Salvador.
The court issued a highly unusual emergency ruling in the middle of the night that specifically ordered the administration to halt their plans to deport a group of Venezuelans, at least temporarily. Only Justices Thomas and Alito dissented. In just a bit, you're going to hear Lovett's quick interview with our pal Leah Lipman from Strict Scrutiny about what the ruling means and what's next.
Before we get to that, the three of us haven't had a chance to talk since Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen returned from El Salvador after his last minute surprise meeting with Kilmer Abrego Garcia, who had been transferred out of Seacott to a new prison. Bukele and the Trump White House, of course, attacked Van Hollen for meeting with Abrego Garcia.
Salvadoran officials even placed two fake margaritas in front of them to make it seem like everyone's having a good time down there. When Van Hollen returned home. Two margaritas. I'm going to open the jail. All right.
Huh? You got one laugh and a lot of stone faces.
I don't know that song. It's okay. I thought we'd go with like a wasting away in Margaritaville. Nope. No? Okay. When Van Hollen returned home, he did all the Sunday shows. Here he is patiently answering questions from Fox News anchor Shannon Bream that might have caused me to burst a blood vessel.
Did you ask him if he has any association with MS-13?
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Chapter 2: What happened during Senator Chris Van Hollen's visit to El Salvador?
I didn't ask him directly because he's answered that question repeatedly as his lawyers have. My purpose in going there was to, number one, see if he was alive, see if he was healthy, take his story.
Do you worry, though, that you are sticking your neck out for somebody who, maybe down the line, is proven to be connected to MS-13?
I want to be very clear. I'm not vouching for the man. I'm vouching for the man's rights.
Who did pay for this trip?
This was an officially cleared congressional trip. So taxpayer dollars. Yes, like every other trip. Like the trip Kristi Noem took with her fashion show before Seacott. Nice.
Also two Republican congressmen now.
We paid for Kilmar Obrego-Garcia's trip, too.
Yeah.
And his detention.
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Chapter 3: How are MAGA supporters reacting to the Supreme Court's intervention?
Chapter 4: What legal insights does Leah Litman provide about the Supreme Court's ruling?
And I think that is still worth doing because I think years of trying to build a little bit of credibility with everyone all the time has left us with a lack of credibility with just about everyone.
So apparently the list of MS-13 Trend de Aragua enthusiasts has grown to now include John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, who joined the liberal justices in a late-night emergency ruling over the weekend that blocked the deportation of a group of Venezuelans in North Texas under the Alien Enemies Act.
The court ruled so quickly that the lower courts hadn't yet ruled, the Justice Department hadn't yet responded to the challenge, and Sam Alito hadn't yet finished his dissent. Which, very rare that the court releases an opinion without the dissent, if the dissent is still being written.
Were you guys surprised these geezers work so late?
I was. I assume they're alerted, but then their clerks do most of the work? Yeah, I think it was the... That's a good question for our strict scrutiny.
We talked about what it meant that Alito's hadn't yet dotted his T's and crossed his I's when it went out with Aaliyah.
Well, the important point here is that the government claimed or tried to claim that it didn't have any imminent plans to deport the immigrants. And the court's ruling, when it came, as fast as it came, showed that clearly they do not believe them. At least seven justices were not willing to trust the government and take their word for it. Wild stuff and also a bit complicated.
So, Lovett, talk to Leah about this ruling and Judge Boasberg's contempt finding. Here's the interview with Leah.
Joining us now, professor of law at the University of Michigan, co-host of Strict Scrutiny, Zingerman's Deli aficionado and the author of the upcoming book Lawless, How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories and Bad Vibes, available for preorder now out May 13th. Leah Libman, welcome back. Thanks for having me.
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Chapter 5: Why is Trump deporting Venezuelans to El Salvador's prison?
So as you've noted on Strict, Trump has a lot of power here. First of all, one way in the past a judge might try to enforce contempt is by referring it to the Department of Justice. That's run by a Trump stooge. Boasberg can actually appoint a prosecutor himself right? But even then, the president would have pardon power, so could shut it down at any moment.
Look, we're far from here, but it is a question that I had. When Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio, the contempt was concluded, right? If the administration takes no steps to right this wrong of these deportations that Judge Boasberg ordered stopped before they had even reached El Salvador, and Trump pardons anyone connected to it, the crime would be ongoing.
It would be a pardon of a bank robber while they're inside of the vault. So presumably contempt would just begin again because the president, though the pardon power is incredible, can't pardon people in the future.
That's true, although the president can issue a preemptive pardon here before any criminal prosecution would begin. And it's possible, and I think even likely, that in the event the president did that, I don't really see the federal courts then trying to go back and say, well, even though he basically pardoned the offense up until this date, that offense has continued.
I think there would be difficult questions about whether it is indeed a new offense, and my guess is the federal court would probably stand down in that situation.
So let's talk about what the courts are willing to do. Is there a reason to have some tiny kernel of relief, if not hope that seven members of the court, including three justices appointed by President Trump, stepped in to halt deportations under the Alien Enemies Act?
Short answer, yes. You know, I think at minimum, it evinces a sense that the seven justices in the majority aren't willing to take the Trump administration at their word because, of course, the Trump administration was saying, well, we're giving these guys like reasonable time and reasonable notice to file their challenges when obviously they weren't.
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Chapter 6: What are the political implications of Trump's deportation agenda?
Chapter 7: How does the Trump administration's use of the Alien Enemies Act hold up legally?
We talked about what it meant that Alito's hadn't yet dotted his T's and crossed his I's when it went out with Aaliyah.
Well, the important point here is that the government claimed or tried to claim that it didn't have any imminent plans to deport the immigrants. And the court's ruling, when it came, as fast as it came, showed that clearly they do not believe them. At least seven justices were not willing to trust the government and take their word for it. Wild stuff and also a bit complicated.
So, Lovett, talk to Leah about this ruling and Judge Boasberg's contempt finding. Here's the interview with Leah.
Joining us now, professor of law at the University of Michigan, co-host of Strict Scrutiny, Zingerman's Deli aficionado and the author of the upcoming book Lawless, How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories and Bad Vibes, available for preorder now out May 13th. Leah Libman, welcome back. Thanks for having me.
I want to just say, Leah, that I am at an advantage because I've already read the book.
So you know everything. Why even have me on?
I have been prepared. Well, you know, a book can do many things, but it can't keep up with the daily news cycle. But it does prepare you for this moment. So I really do urge everyone listening to this to pause this podcast and put in a preorder. Let's get this thing on the bestseller list. That's one thing we can do. to fight back against the, you know, the freaks.
It will make Sam Alito very mad if this makes a bestseller list.
It will. And he keeps up with his Google alerts.
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