STEVE ON OPTIMISM WATCH

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What are the details surrounding the controversial red card decision?

Duncan Barkes 0:00

It's a couple of days after that game, the Oxford game, but we still have to find out what Steve Bone thought about the red card. Steve, good day, welcome, and what about that red card?

Steve Bone 0:14

yes I keep on watching it back and I've just watched it five minutes before talking to you just to remind myself and I it's a difficult one but it is not the is not the most unjust red card I've ever seen but far from it You can see, I think you can partly see why it's been given and we still don't know whether it was the referee's decision from first sight or the linesman intervened or I don't know if the fourth official is allowed to even. I don't know who has said that is a red card but obviously between them or... The referee has either made that decision himself or he's had help in making that decision. It's a clumsy challenge by Ogilvy because the first contact, he's obviously trying to, you know, it's a bad touch and he's trying to get the ball back and the first contact is sort of ankle on ankle, isn't it, as he's trying to get to the ball and that is what brings the Oxford player down and Ogilvy then kind of wraps himself around it and gets the ball.

Steve Bone 1:26

And I think at the time, you know, I think you can sometimes judge these things by people's reaction in real time. In real time, people thought, oh, OK, well, that's a freak kick against us. That's a shame. Maybe, you know, it could have been a booking issue. But I don't think anybody expected it to be a red card. And I think one of the tests for these things is what would the reaction from both sides have been if he'd given a yellow card. Don't think Pompey would have complained too much. Pretty sure Oxford wouldn't have complained either.

How do fans react to referee decisions in football?

Steve Bone 2:01

Because I don't think they were expecting it to be red either. But it's a tricky one, because if you watch something 20 times and 30 times, you begin to see more and more, and you almost begin to convince yourself, well, OK, maybe it was a bad one. But I don't know. I'm sure you've had a range of views given on Pompey Sound this week on it. That's probably where I'm coming from on it, though.

Duncan Barkes 2:33

Yeah, naturally, the views of Pompey fans are biased. You would expect them to be biased. I'm biased. And I dare say you would admit that you are slightly biased as well as a fan. But as a journalist, you're saying it was close, but probably not quite a red card. Have I got that right?

Steve Bone 2:50

Yeah, I think so, yeah. I think if you're given yellow, everybody gets on with the game. Oxford get their free kick. Nobody is looking back at that afterwards and saying, oh, this yellow card in the Pompey game, why wasn't that given as a red?

What is the impact of VAR on game decisions and viewer experience?

Steve Bone 3:06

I don't think it's a talking point. Whereas it became the talking point.

Steve Bone 3:23

something got him that he didn't give you know the Spencer was on a yellow that was a clear yellow he'd given yellow cards for similar things in that game and and worse things in that game and better things in that game and he didn't give one for that and I think if the player hadn't already been booked he would have been booked there therefore you're saying well what's the referee playing at I think all managers and players and fans want from referees is consistency you want consistency across games but you don't always get that because you've got different referees interpreting things but you certainly want consistency within one game from one referee and I don't think we had that I think if we'd had consistency

Steve Bone 4:10

Spencer would have gone off as well and it might not have affected the result we don't know do we you can't go back and say that the result would have been different would have been this or would have been that if Oxford had gone down to 10 at that point but I think we could have lived with the Ogilvy red a bit more easily if Spencer had had a red as well I've just thought of this question what would have been the outcome do you think if we had VAR if we had VAR Yeah, I don't know. The only other referee type I've seen comment on it was Keith Hackett who thought it was a clear red. So if we'd had Mr Video Assistant there, I think they'd have looked at it.