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第4回目のゲストは『POPEYE Web』のシニアエディターであり、第一線で活躍する日本屈指のライター／編集者・井出幸亮さん。2012年に大々的なリニューアルをした雑誌『ポパイ』と2021年オープンの『POPEYE Web』、唯一どちらの立ち上げにも参加している井出さんと、小鳥がさえずるアトリエでゆっくり話してみました。＆トロピカル松村さんも登場！そしてラスト2分では……。
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