Scott and Ed discuss gold hitting a record high, the Trump administration’s new restrictions on chip exports, and Jerome Powell’s comments on tariffs. Then, they unpack how other nations are pushing back against the tariffs, highlighting Trump’s key strategic missteps—including his underestimation of global rivals. Finally, they dissect the key moments from the Meta antitrust trial so far, with Scott laying out the economic upsides of breaking up the company, and Ed outlining how the FTC could actually come out on top. Subscribe to the Prof G Markets newsletter Order "The Algebra of Wealth," out now Subscribe to No Mercy / No Malice Follow the podcast across socials @profgpod: Instagram Threads X Reddit Follow Scott on Instagram Follow Ed on Instagram and X Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are the implications of gold hitting a record high?
So, you know, when you read that headline, you know, or you read the executive order, which says we're putting a restriction on this specific chip. at Nvidia, this specific H20 chip. That's not really what's happening. What they're basically saying is China is now off limits for Nvidia.
And what I've been wondering in the wake of this order is what on earth is going through Jensen Huang's head right now? Because... You might recall, you know, why does this H20 chip even exist? The reason that that was created was it was Jensen Huang's response to a Biden administration order, which said that we can't be selling our most advanced chips to China.
And so Jensen Huang and NVIDIA responded by creating this slower, less capable chip, And that was their attempt to fall in line. It was designed specifically for China. And now, two years later, the government is saying, actually, never mind. We're not going to let you sell these chips at all. So this is really a logistical nightmare for NVIDIA.
And I do find it hilarious to think about how Trump was touted for so long as the pro-business candidate. And all these CEOs believed it, and they were super excited. But so far, what we're seeing is that this is... pretty much the most anti-business president America has ever seen. So it will be interesting to see how Jensen deals with it.
I just read recently that he actually just flew to China and met with Chinese officials. But this is definitely a big problem for Jensen Huang. And that's why you're seeing this big devaluation in the stock.
I was initially in favor of the chip bands to China because I thought, OK, these are the same chips that are used in missiles to help guide them real time or drones. But what did they do? They came up with a workaround. They came up with essentially deep seek. So there's an argument that, OK, all you're doing is inspiring them to come up.
make their own investments and then come up with their own chips and develop their own industry. If there's a company that could give back some gains and be fine, it'd be Nvidia. But just the amount of time they're spending trying to navigate this bullshit as opposed to making a better chip, You can just see there's this is this is the Republican argument.
Government needs to get out of the way with stuff like this. And this is creating just a lot of unnecessary time and energy and waste. But the export ban hands the Chinese air market over to domestic competitors, including Huawei. So it's kind of a gift again. I keep thinking that all of this kind of bubbles up to medium and long-term gains for China.
I used to think that China's hit a pretty big speed bump the last five or seven years, and then America was pulling away. I think over the next, actually, everyone talks about our ability to ruin China's economy. I think in two or three years, relative to U.S. performance, China's going to—and maybe India.
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Chapter 2: How is the Trump administration affecting chip exports?
The first CEO who stands up and says, okay, come after me, have at it, sees a massive inflow of goodwill from foreign and domestic manufacturers and consumers. And the person that goes, the half-life here, the drop-off will be enormous. And numbers two, three, four, five, and six get 10% of the credit there. That the first person gets. And no one's done it yet.
Even a guy like Jamie Dimon's been kind of like dancing around being like, just in case you want me as Treasury Secretary, I'm here and I don't want to say anything to offend anybody. You know, enough already. Enough.
Absolutely. Let's move on to Jerome Powell, his comments and then Trump's response. I just find this hilarious because you actually look at Jerome Powell's comments. They were incredibly tame. I'll just read you what he said here. He said, quote, these are very fundamental policy changes. There isn't a modern experience of how to think about this.
The level of the tariff increases announced so far is significantly larger than anticipated. We may find ourselves in the challenging scenario in which our dual mandate goals are in tension. very uncontroversial thing to say, you know, calling it like it is, but calmly and without being aggressive or pugnacious.
And then Trump goes on this tweet storm, or his truth storm, saying, quote, Powell's termination cannot come fast enough, exclamation point. Essentially threatening that he's going to fire the Fed chair. Now, many people are arguing whether that's even possible, Technically it is, but he needs to have a reason. You can only fire a member of the board of the Fed for cause.
So he needs to have proven that he's done something legitimately wrong. But beyond that, just kind of remarkable to see the president threatening the chair of the Federal Reserve. Scott, your reactions?
It's very difficult to predict the actions of the Mad King at this point. But you do get the sense, based on him blinking last week, that he does listen to the markets. And if you want to talk about waking up to a 3-5, maybe even an 8,000-point drop in the Dow, fire Chairman Powell.
Because a key component and accepted general best practice across Western economies is you have to insulate the head of the bank, the central bank and the Fed or whatever the equivalent institution is. You have to separate it. You have to give it protection or immunity from political pressure because these guys are all so horny for power. The economy, most people are voted out of office.
The number one reason is people are dissatisfied with the economy. And the easiest way to juice the economy is just to call the chairman and say, I'm going to fire you unless you cut interest rates by, I need you to announce five cuts and the market will go up. That could be disastrous, though, for the economy.
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Chapter 3: What are the potential consequences of new tariffs?
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We're back with Profiteer Markets. The trade war is officially on and Trump's strategy for the U.S. is clear, shock and awe tariffs. But other countries aren't sitting still. They're responding with strategic moves of their own. China is leading the economic pushback. China's central bank told state-owned banks to cut their U.S. dollar purchases.
It also ordered its airlines to stop deliveries of Boeing jets and they curbed their rare earth exports to the U.S., But it's not just China. Canada is starting to boycott U.S. goods such as American whiskey. Brazil passed a bill to impose their own tariff countermeasures.
And in Denmark, the largest grocer in the country is putting Black Star labels on European products to encourage a boycott of American products. So, Scott, the world appears to be coalescing against a common enemy here in the U.S. Any thoughts on how this might all play out and what we as investors should do about it?
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Chapter 4: Can the FTC successfully challenge Meta in court?
There is one country that worries me, though. Not Iraq, not Iran, not North Korea. The only country that really worries me is the country of Germany. I don't know if you guys are history buffs or not, but... In the early part of the previous century, Germany decided to go to war. And who did they go to war with? The world. that had never been tried before.
And so you figure that would take about five seconds for the world to win, but no, it was actually close. Then about 30 years pass, and Germany decides again to go to war, and again it chooses as its enemy the world.
Yeah, I just, I love that clip. Yeah, and now Germany's the good guys.
But, I mean, is that not what's happening in America right now? We have chosen the world, as Norm puts it, as our enemy?
Yeah, take on everyone all at once, including universities. I mean, they're taking on everyone. Who is he not at war with right now? Let me think. Universities, every foreign nation. I mean, it's just, okay, who's next? What's next? We're all kind of waiting for... We're waiting for one of two things. We're waiting for it to get much, much worse, or we're waiting for someone to show up.
I don't think I've ever seen a vacuum of leadership like this. The Democrats seem neutered. There's no one who's emerged. I did a podcast. I was on Governor Newsom's podcast yesterday or two days ago. Oh, wow. And I basically said, I think someone should announce they're running for president and start.
If someone announced today they were running for president, they'd be the leader of the Democratic Party and they would be on TV every day making, hitting a series of of softballs out of the park just responding to all this ridiculous shit.
They need a new guy. Are you going to do it?
Yeah, that's right. A chicken in every pot of Cialis in every cupboard.
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Chapter 5: What are the economic upsides of breaking up large tech companies?
And so, no, I think our job, Ed, I'm going to run you for something such that I can get you to help me engage in massive tax avoidance when I'm 80 and just doing nothing but counting my pennies and yelling at people. I'll get you to become a senator. But until then, the two of us and the good people here at Prop G are going to help great Americans get elected and make America America again.
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Chapter 6: What is the global response to U.S. tariffs?
The only people that lose are the person who controls the voting shares, the super shares, who's decided they want to sit on the iron throne of all seven realms, not just Westeros.
Yeah, a lot there. I mean, what would it take for them to win the case? One, they need to prove that Meta suppressed the competition via these acquisitions. And the emails there are incredible, and I'll go over a few of them in a second. And two, they also need to prove that Meta is indeed a monopoly. And those are two different arguments that they need to prove.
So on the first argument, the case is incredibly strong. And it's all because of these emails that they found from Zuckerberg and Sandberg and all these other executives. I'm just going to read off some of them to you right now. So Mark Zuckerberg in 2012, quote, Instagram and path are nascent, but the network's established. The brands are already meaningful.
And if they grow to a large scale, they could be very disruptive to us. from an internal executive. Quote, in the time it has taken us to get our act together on this, Instagram has become a large and viable competitor to us, which will increasingly be the future of photos. Sheryl Sandberg, 2012, quote, Instagram was growing so much faster than us that we had to buy them for $1 billion.
And then this is the best one. Mark Zuckerberg in 2008, in regards to the Instagram acquisition, he says, quote, it is better to buy than to compete. And that is basically case closed right there. That is the FTC's smoking gun, is that email from Zuckerberg in 2008. So they can definitely prove that Meta was suppressing the competition by just buying up these other companies.
The trouble is proving... whether or not Meta is actually a monopoly. And that is a harder argument to make because, you know, as you mentioned, there are all these other platforms now. There's TikTok, there's Snapchat, there's Pinterest, there's YouTube, even iMessage, which is technically competing with WhatsApp. And Meta shared this number.
they shared that 20% of the total time spent on social media platforms today, 20% is accounted for by Meta. So at 20%, it is definitely harder to argue that this is a monopoly. And I think if the FTC loses this case, it's going to be on that front. They're going to be able to prove very fair and square. Yes, Meta suppressed the competition by buying these companies, but did they also...
do that and successfully become a monopoly. And that's going to be a little bit harder to prove. And one final point here. I just want to quickly highlight this incredible article in The Wall Street Journal that takes you through the negotiations between Andrew Ferguson at the FTC and Mark Zuckerberg. So the FTC actually offered to settle this case with Meta for $30 billion.
But after Trump appointed this new guy, Andrew Ferguson, as the new chair of the FTC, Mark Zuckerberg called him and he gave him a counteroffer. And Mark Zuckerberg's counteroffer was $450 million. So a 99% discount on the original settlement offer. And apparently on that call, Mark Zuckerberg was very confident that Trump was going to back him up.
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Chapter 7: How do corporate leaders feel about Trump’s economic policies?
And he's best remembered for his post-war statement, which begins, first they came for the socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.
And that is so powerful. And I think that when – on a very crude and economic level, when you don't speak out on behalf of our wonderful allies and other companies and speak out on behalf of your own company – Just wait, folks. In the long run, it's just really bad for you not speaking out.
And even on a more substantive level, when we allow people to be rounded up because they have the wrong tattoo or because they're illegal, undocumented workers and send them to a hellscape prison. Just be careful when the knock comes on your door. This is a threat to everybody. And so I'm hopeful. I think America has a ton of great leaders. And I think this has gotten so bad.
My prediction is in the next one, two, four weeks, we're going to see some prominent leaders. And we can't guess. Who knows where they come from, right? This Harvard president has shown real leadership. But I think that there's going to be several people step into this void of leadership and realize that I need to speak up.
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