Proud Stutter
Episodes
Stuttering, Comedy, and Embracing Uncomfortable Situations
20 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Proud Stutter, Maya talks with Joze Piranian, a comedian, speaker, and author, about growing up with a stutter and how early experi...
Episode Swap: Down To The Struts
23 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we’re doing something a little different on Proud Stutter. We’ve partnered with the podcast Down to the Struts for an episode swap, sha...
The Story She Needed as a Kid: Jennifer Dickinson on Writing a Young Girl Who Stutters
11 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Maya talks with fiction writer and teacher Jennifer Dickinson about her new middle grade novel featuring a young girl who stutters. Jennifer shares ho...
Anjali Hid Her Covert Stutter for Years. Then Acceptance Became a Spiritual Practice.
07 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Maya talks with Dr. Anjali Alimchandani about growing up as a covert stutterer and why stuttering was the hardest identity for her to accept. Anjali s...
From Delhi to Data and Back to the Stutter That Shaped Him
26 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Proud Stutter, Maya talks with tech entrepreneur Kanav Hasija about growing up with a severe stutter in India, being bullied in sch...
From The Vault: The Psychology Behind Our Responses To Stuttering
07 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya revisits a listener favorite featuring choir clinicians Benedict and Talia, a husband-and-wife team who share powerful lessons about communicatio...
This Playwright Who Stutters Found His Voice on the Page, and the Stage
18 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya sits down with Jerry Slaff, a playwright and and a writer who stutters, for a conversation about voice, craft, and the lifelong arc from fear to ...
Ina Found Her Voice Across Three Languages. And Learned to Lean Into the Good Pain of Stuttering
26 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya sits down with Ina Lalich, a San Francisco–raised, multilingual woman who stutters, for a conversation about language, identity, and learning t...
Giving Stuttering the Mic in New Orleans: 20 Years After Katrina
12 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Filmmaker and stuttering ally Andy Phillips joins Maya to mark the 10-year anniversary of his short film WORDS, a story born from two loves: New Orlea...
Inside the Largest Genetic Study of Stuttering
01 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Dr. Dillon Pruett has lived both sides of stuttering: the anxious kid rehearsing every word and the scientist searching DNA for answers. His groundbre...
Sam Once Feared Her Stutter. Now She’s a Talk Therapist Helping Others Unmask.
15 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya sits down with Sam Gennuso, a Bay Area-based licensed psychotherapist and person who stutters, for a conversation about vulnerability, self-accep...
For Years, Justin Thought His Voice Was a Liability. Now It’s the Heart of His Mental Health Mission.
30 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Proud Stutter, we’re joined by Justin McCullough, a longtime stutterer, technologist, and founder of the upcoming mental health platfor...
Shamez Spent Years Trying to Slay His Stutter. Instead, He Befriended the Dragon.
12 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Proud Stutter, we’re joined by Shamez Kasam, a lifelong stutterer based in Alberta, Canada, who shares his powerful journey from shame ...
Louise Hid Her Covert Stutter for Years. Now Her Podcast Is Taking On Stuttering Representation in the Media.
20 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Proud Stutter, we’re joined by Louise Escher, a language teacher, violinist, and host of Did They Stutter?—a podcast exploring stutte...
Ismaele Hid His Stutter for Years. Now He’s Exploring It Through Arctic Wildlife
06 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Proud Stutter, Maya is joined by Ismaele Tortella, a filmmaker and cinematographer based in the Norwegian Arctic whose upcoming documenta...
Stuttering & Survivor Season 48 FINALE Ft. Caitlin Dietz & Eliot Goldstein
25 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya, Caitlin, and Elliot recap the thrilling finale of Survivor Season 48, celebrating Mitch's incredible journey and the great representation of...
Andrew Sent His Personal Essay on Stuttering to The Washington Post. What Happened Next Surprised Him.
16 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Andrew Flint is a 16-year old and a person who stutters. Andrew's powerful essay in The Washington Post sparked conversation in his school, family...
What The Stuttering Community Can Learn From Rare Disease Advocacy [Part 2]
02 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This episode is Part 2 of our series “What We Can Learn from the Rare Disease Community.” Last week, we heard from Bobby Glen about navigating the...
What The Stuttering Community Can Learn From Rare Disease Advocacy [Part 1]
25 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Bobby Glen shares his family's journey, from getting a diagnosis to participating in a clinical trial, and the importance of early screening and c...
Stuttering & Survivor Season 48 Episode 8 Ft. Caitlin Dietz & Eliot Goldstein
19 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya, Caitlin, and Elliot are back to discuss stuttering on Survivor Season 48, Episode 8, and the latest twists and turns in the episode. From allian...
Stuttering & Survivor Season 48 Episode 6 & 7 Ft. Caitlin Dietz & Eliot Goldstein
12 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya is back with Caitlin Dietz and Eliot Goldstein to talk about Episodes 6 and 7 of Survivor Season 48. Highlights include discussions about Mitch, ...
Stuttering & Survivor Season 48 Episode 4 & 5 Ft. Caitlin Dietz & Eliot Goldstein
29 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya is joined again by friends Caitlin Dietz, her childhood friend, and Eliot Goldstein, friend and person who stutters to talk about stuttering on t...
Philip Solomon and Stuttering on Deal or No Deal Island
18 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya interviews Philip, a contestant from Deal or No Deal Island, who shares his experience with stuttering on the reality TV show and how stuttering ...
Stuttering & Survivor Season 48 Episode 3 Ft. Caitlin Dietz & Eliot Goldstein
14 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maya is joined by friends Caitlin Dietz, her childhood friend, and Eliot Goldstein, friend and person who stutters to talk about stuttering on the cur...
Performing the News: Stuttering and Challenging Norms in Broadcast Media
07 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Elia Powers is a professor, podcast reporter and the author of 'Performing the News, Identity, Authority, and the Myth of Neutrality' explorin...
Leading with a Stutter: An 18-Year-Old Changemaker’s Story
21 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Gavin Szilvasi is the founder and chairman of the Tia Maria Foundation. He's also a freshman in college at Villanova University. Gavin talks about...
Media Making with a Stutter & Being A Child of a Speech Therapist
07 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Ben Miller is a videographer and person who stutters. Ben spent most of his childhood in speech therapy. His mother is a speech-language pathologist.M...
Stuttering & How Communication Skills Are Perceived At Work
24 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Cody Dew is a professor, researcher, and person who stutters. Cody's research focuses on how perceived communication skills influence stereotyping...
Filmmaking Perspectives on Stuttering
10 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Proud Stutter is going to Sundance! Join our creative team behind our upcoming documentary for a special event on January 25 at 5pm in Park City featu...
Stuttering Through Law School and Advocating for Public Policy
27 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Kurt Kessler is a class action attorney who stutters from San Francisco. Kurt is not the only member of his family who stutters. How did that impact h...
Breaking Barriers With Breaking The Blocks Improv Workshop
13 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Elisha Boxer Magnifico and David Catlin are both professors at Northwestern University. Together, the developed "Break The Blocks," an improv ...
Stuttering Advocacy In Action
29 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Puneet Singh is a disability inclusion advocate with personal experiences of stuttering, dyslexia, and dyspraxia.Puneet shares his challenges and triu...
Hawaiian Teen Who Stutters Using the Power of Media & Film
15 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In part 2 of our conversation with Raphael, we talk about our shared passion of filmmaking.Raphael shares his journey in photography, his involvement ...
Hawaiian Teen Who Stutters Starts A Nonprofit To Take Care Of His Community
01 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Raphael Stark is the founder and president of the nonprofit CHATS. Raphael wanted to meet other teens who stuttered in his community but realized ther...
A Surfer Who Stutters, A Journey To Becoming A Speech Therapist
18 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Randy Panzarino is a clinician, researcher, and person who stutters. He's also a surfer. Randy shares his journey through the challenges and anxie...
Stuttering Through Speech Therapy & Becoming A Sports Writer
04 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Ryan Cowley is the author of All the Right Words: My Journey as a Sportswriter Who Stutters.He talks about his early experiences with stuttering, his ...
Filming A Documentary With A Stutter - A Recap!
20 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Maya and Tessa share their experiences from 10 days of filming in New Jersey for their documentary. They discuss the challenges and rewards of the pro...
New Research Identifies Brain Link to Stuttering
06 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
A new study published in Brain has identified a specific brain network hub that plays a key role in stuttering.The author Professor Catherine Theys ex...
Tips for People Who Stutter: Public Speaking, Dating and Building Confidence
23 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
LeRon L. Barton is a TEDx speaker and author who stutters. What events in his life led him to becoming a confidence public speaker? They also talk abo...
Stuttering & Facing Your Biggest Fears
09 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Joe Saul-Sehy is the creator and co-host of The Stacking Benjamins Show. Joe has a successful career in finance and podcasting while living with a cov...
Stuttering & Poetry
26 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Adrian Ernesto Cepeda is a bilingual poet who stutters. His latest book is 'La Lengua Inside Me.'Adrian turned to writing at a young age as a ...
Public Speaking, Basketball, and Becoming A Life Coach With A Stutter
12 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Ty Ellis, a person who stutters, wears many hats. He is an optimal performance coach, a public speaker, and a former professional basketball coach. Ty...
Cerebral Palsy and Stuttering with New Disabled South
28 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
What's it like to balance the identities of stuttering and cerebral palsy?In this episode, Dom and Sean Kelly of New Disabled South discuss how th...
Preparing For A Presentation As A Person Who Stutters
14 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Hilary Utaegbulam is a Nigerian-born physics student and teacher who stutters. He recently gave his first ever public presentation on his research, wh...
Children’s Book Author Writes About Her Grandson’s Speech Journey
31 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Carol Labov is the author of “The Cave Boy Who Would Be President,” a children’s book inspired by her own experience with her grandson Cooper. W...
How Motherhood Transformed This Attorney's Relationship With Her Stutter
17 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
This episode celebrates Mental Health Awareness Month and Stuttering Awareness Week. Casey Combs is an attorney. She's also a new mother. How did ...
Stuttering As a Chief Scientist and Exploring Genetics
03 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
John Finn is Chief Scientific Officer at Tome Biosciences. John opens about his personal and professional journey as a person who stutters, including ...
TV Personality John Stossel Opens Up About His Stutter
19 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
John Stossel, renowned TV personality and reporter, shares the challenges he faced in his broadcast journalism career and what led him to seek help wi...
Stuttering In Tech: What It's Like To Be A Female Software Engineer With A Stutter
05 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Swathi grew up in India speaking multiple languages. She talks with Maya about how her stuttering influenced interactions, often prompting language sh...
Life With A Covert Stutter With Actor & Bestselling Author Jayne Amelia Larson
22 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Jayne Amelia Larson is an actor, voiceover artist, bestselling author and podcaster. Jayne shares with Maya her journey of covert stuttering and her s...
My Stutter: Life of Verbal Turbulence Comic Book Launch - LIVE from Octavia's Bookshelf [Part 2]
08 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
This episode is Part 2 of Proud Stutter's official launch party and reading in Los Angeles to celebrate its comic book, MY STUTTER: LIFE OF VERBAL...
My Stutter: Life of Verbal Turbulence Comic Book Launch - LIVE from Octavia's Bookshelf [Part 1]
23 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Proud Stutter celebrated the official launch of its comic book, MY STUTTER: LIFE OF VERBAL TURBULENCE, on February 12, 2024. Proud Stutter hit the roa...
A College Freshman Who Stutters Talks About Finding Self Worth
09 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Lorenzo Becerra is a college freshman who stutters. He is studying to be a speech pathologist. When he thinks about his future, he envisions a happy l...
Stuttering At Work: How A Childhood Memory Transformed A Career
26 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Sammar Farooqi is a person who stutters based in Dubai. He’s an executive at SAP where he explains complex technology to people on a daily basis. Sa...
Stuttering and Music: Interview with emcdouble, professional recording artist
12 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
David Mayan, aka emcdouble, is a professional recording artist based in Queens, New York. He also stutters. David shares how he initially used music ...
Embracing Speech Diversity: Proud Stutter gala clips, 2023 Highlights & More
29 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Host of Proud Stutter Maya recaps Proud Stutter’s annual gala with some clips from the evening, featuring special guests Senator Scott Wiener and Sa...
Keegan outgrew a childhood stutter, until a traumatic event triggered its return.
15 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Keegan Murphy thought he outgrew his childhood stutter, until a traumatic event triggered its return.Not only does Keegan share his experience with hi...
Navigating Stuttering, Poverty, and Racism in the American South
01 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Isaac Bailey is a stutterer, author, and professor. His book, 'My Brother Moochie', details his family's struggles after his eldest brothe...
Director of Award Winning Film "Voice Activated," And How He Found Comfort In His Stutter
17 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Steven Anthopoulos is the director and writer of “Voice Activated,” a short film that has won 11 awards, a Tribeca selected film, and is eligible ...
Stuttering in a foreign country and creating "My Stutter: Life of Verbal Turbulence"
03 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Julian Benabides is Proud Stutter’s special guest, and he just happens to be Maya’s neighbor.Julian talks about his experience stuttering in forei...
Stuttering As A Dog Trainer
20 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Steven Tallas might stutter in the human world, but in the dog world, he is completely fluent.Maya speaks with Steven about his journey to becoming a ...
Stuttering and Challenging Inadequacy
06 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Kai Caragenis is a father of a young girl. In this bonus episode of Proud Stutter, he shares his feelings around being adequate enough to be a father,...
Stuttering Mailbag: Answering Your Questions About Pride, Acceptance, and Beyond
22 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Maya is back to answer your questions ranging from TV shows, public speaking tips, navigating her stutter, and more. Host & Producer: Maya Chupko...
De-stigmatizing stuttering and incarceration
08 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jay Jordan and Jesse Vasquez are back on the pod this week. Jay talks about how his identity as a person who stutters intersects with his criminal rec...
Jay Jordan Navigated Incarceration With A Stutter. Now He’s Transforming the Criminal Justice System.
25 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jay Jordan, a person who stutters, has devoted his life after incarceration to challenging the stigma surrounding criminal records. For the first time...
Inclusive Education & Stuttering: Beyond Awareness Rebroadcast
11 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
For this special bonus episode of Proud Stutter, Maya is rebroadcasting an episode from the Beyond Awareness podcast.Host Diana Pastora Carson intervi...
Stuttering and Breaking Through Blocking
28 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Blaise Ventura, a 20-year-old person who stutters, joins Maya to talk about blocking, his journey towards self-improvement, dating, and how FOMO can p...
Stuttering, Fashion, and Inclusivity w/ Mia Hitterman (Part 2)
14 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Using fashion as a form of self expression is one of the main topics in part 2 of Maya’s interview with Mia and Lila.Mia talks about how stuttering ...
This Beauty Queen Is Proud Of Her Stutter (Part 1)
30 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Mia Hitterman spent most of her childhood and teenage years hiding her stutter. It wasn’t until college that she discovered pageantry and finally fo...
How A Family Learned To Embrace Stuttering And A Life Changing Meet-Up With MLB Player George Springer
16 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
A few months ago, the MLB released a video of 10 Year-Old Mateo Sanchez and professional baseball player George Springer. The special bond between the...
Stuttering As An Entrepreneur Pt. 2: Building Resilience and Celebrating Uniqueness
02 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
This episode is part 2 of Maya’s interview with Calvin and Roy. Calvin talks more in-depth about his relationship with his stutter, including how he...
Stuttering As An Entrepreneur: Maintaining Faith And Purpose
19 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Having friends who can help see your true potential is a gift. Part 1 of my conversation with Calvin Williams, Jr. and Roy Dockery talks about friends...
Speech Therapy's Evolution Through The Eyes of a Stutterer
05 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Today’s episode is Part 2 of my conversation with Benedict Sheehan, a person who stutters, and Talia Sheehan, his wife. We talk about the different ...
The Psychology Behind Our Responses To Stuttering
21 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Benedict Sheehan is a Grammy-nominated conductor and composer who stutters. His wife, Talia Sheehan, is a professional vocalist and musical educator. ...
Stuttering & Cluttering: TheeClutterQueen Rebroadcast
07 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
For this special bonus episode of Proud Stutter, Maya is rebroadcasting an episode from the TheeClutterQueen podcast.Host Simone Robinson interviews M...
Stuttering Subreddit Round 2 w/ Cynthia Chin
24 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Did you know there is a vibrant stuttering community on Reddit?Cynthia Chin, Season 1 co-host, is back on the pod doing a second round of going throug...
When Identities Collide: Owning Your Stuttering Story With Multiple Disabilities
10 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Steff Lebsack, a speech language pathologist, grew up with a brother who stutters. When she developed a neurogenic stutter later in life, she accepted...
Lobbying With A Stutter
24 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Johnnie Pina does not let his stutter get in the way of being a successful lobbyist where public speaking is a main part of his job. Joining us is Ale...
Teen Who Stutters Helps Others Find Their Voice
10 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Navigating the ups and downs of being a teenager is hard enough. Adding living with a stutter to the already existing anxieties and insecurities we go...
Finding Strength In Your Stutter
27 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
As a young child, Stevie Soul used his stutter to his strength when he started arranging repetitive sounds into beats and patterns. We talk to Stevie ...
John Hendrickson And Making Peace With A Stutter
13 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Journalist John Hendrickson spent most of his life ignoring the elephant in the room, his stutter. We talk about what it was like going back in time, ...
Sneak Preview: Interview with Author John Hendrickson
30 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Enjoy this sneak preview of my interview with John Hendrickson, author of Life on Delay: Making Peace With a Stutter, coming January 2023 from Knopf....
Stuttering & Moving Beyond Ableism
16 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We can’t create sustainable change for the stuttering community without disrupting cultural norms around speech. The first step towards breaking dow...
Stuttering In The Military
02 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Having a stutter can be extremely frustrating and stressful, especially while at work. Stuttering as a Marine though might take the cake for the most ...
Let Us Finish: Similarities Between Stuttering & Being In Recovery
18 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Replacing words is common experience among people who stutter. What we find out in this episode is people in recovery may have similar experiences. Lu...
Reframing Public Speaking With A Stutter
04 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Josh Compton is a Professor of Speech at Dartmouth College. Joining me as this week’s co-host is Josel Gaston, host of Find Your Daily Calm Podcast....
Receiving Stuttering In The Latino Community
21 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
DJ Portugal is a creative Chicano soul from South Central Los Angeles. His current job is a community organizer in Phoenix, AZ where he works towards ...
Filmmaking, Being Biracial, and Hiding Your Stutter
07 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Gina Chin-Davis is a writer and filmmaker. Growing up with a stutter and being a bi-racial woman has influenced the kind of stories she wants to tell ...
Bus Driving With A Stutter Is Not What You Think
23 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Dustin Wells drives the 5 Fulton bus route in San Francisco. He didn’t identify with being a stutterer until he heard about Proud Stutter on his loc...
Acting With A Stutter: Starring As Stuttering Huntress in New Animated Series
09 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Desiree Tracie Cole wanted to act ever since she first saw Annie. When she saw a post on Facebook looking for a young woman who stutters to play the l...
1-Year Anniversary Highlights, Evolving Proud Stutter, & More!
22 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Proud Stutter’s 1-year anniversary is right around the corner. I wanted to take this bonus episode to reflect on the first year, what’s ahead for ...
Advice & Hope: An Elementary School Teacher’s Stuttering Story w/ Melissa Herrera
12 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Maya speaks with Kyeli Eastland, an elementary school teacher who stutters. The co-host for this week is Melissa Herrera, host and producer of Mimosa ...
Stuttering Stigma and Amanda Mammana’s America’s Got Talent Audition
08 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Amanda Mammana’s America’s Got Talent audition put a national spotlight on stuttering. At first, I couldn’t understand why it made me feel so un...
Stuttering, Code Switching and Redefining A Good Day With Dana Amihere
29 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In our debut episode of Season 2, Maya speaks with the show's first Australian who stutters, Cameron Raynes, a lecturer at the University of South...
Exploring Stuttering and Intersectional Identities (Live Interview!)
11 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Intersectional identities overlap, connect, disconnect and can even attempt to cancel each other out. During a live interview at the National Stutteri...
Communicating In A Second Language and Stuttering: An Interview with Dad
21 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Maya’s dad is one of her biggest fans. He’s listened to every episode and now it’s time for his podcast debut. In this bonus episode, Maya talks...
NSAW Recap, Season 2 Announcement, Public Speaking With A Stutter, and The Evolution of Speech Therapy
31 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It’s always National Stuttering Awareness Week with Proud Stutter. Maya highlights the festivities from NSAW for this bonus episode, including an ed...
Can 'Flow' Activities Have A Positive Impact on Stuttering?
13 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Is there an activity where you feel 'at one' or ‘in the zone’? There's a term in psychology for this state of being called 'flow&#...
National Stuttering Awareness Week 2022: Be Part of It!
27 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This year, National Stuttering Awareness Week is May 9 - May 15. Let’s talk about its history, why it matters, and how you can help spread the word....
Nina G on Stuttering Representation in TV, Film, and the Media
15 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Proud Stutter launches its new membership program today. All funds of the program will go back into the podcast. We won't be able to do the show w...