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What Up Holmes?

24 Oct 2025

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wait you're listening okay all right okay all right you're listening to radio lab radio from wnyc

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20.095 - 47.519 Jad Abumrad

Hey, it's Latif. This is Radiolab. So just last week here on the show, we had a conversation between our own Simon Adler and law professor Kate Klonick talking about how the idea of free speech in this country is playing out and often not playing out online right now. But these questions of free speech in the United States... Go back literally to the beginning.

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47.86 - 74.015 Jad Abumrad

It's the first amendment for crying out loud. And as we argue over what people should be seeing on these apps, on social media apps, it took me back to a story we did a couple years ago that feels like it gets to the origin of the modern notion of free speech. In particular, the idea that there should be an open marketplace of ideas, right?

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74.355 - 97.842 Jad Abumrad

That's the reason any of these social media platforms are allowed to be as wild as they are because they are theoretically open marketplaces of ideas. And as I told our then host, Jad Abumrad, surprisingly, that whole idea of the marketplace of ideas came from one moment and even more surprisingly, from one guy.

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102.158 - 103.922 Thomas Healy

Oliver Wendell Holmes.

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Magnificent is the word for Oliver Wendell Holmes.

106.829 - 110.077 Thomas Healy

Regarded today as the greatest Supreme Court justice in our history.

110.278 - 114.027 Jad Abumrad

That story was told to me by this guy, Thomas Healy.

114.287 - 117.134 Thomas Healy

Professor of law at Seton Hall University School of Law.

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