Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Fri, 11 Apr 2025
Scott and Jess sit down with Mark Cuban to break down the aftermath of Trump’s tariffs, take stock of the Democratic Party, and hear how he plans to shake things up. They dig into the broken media ecosystem, the growing crisis among young men, and why empathy seems to be in dangerously short supply across the political spectrum. And yes — they go there on the Luka Dončić trade. Plus, Scott makes his case for why Mark should run for president. Follow Jessica Tarlov, @JessicaTarlov. Follow Prof G, @profgalloway. Follow Raging Moderates, @RagingModeratesPod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are Trump's Liberation Day tariffs and their impact?
I mean, my initial reaction was it was shock and awe and it would just it would be turned shortly. And obviously that hasn't been the case yet. And I just think everything is so convoluted that it's hard to come to any conclusions right now other than it's really messy.
Well, speaking of mess, you've been advising people to stock up on everyday items, including toothpaste and soap.
That sounds... Well, no, let's take a step back there. So I read this book back in college, How to Retire. No, it was the only investment guide you'll ever need. And one of the things it said was one way to earn a guaranteed return was buying in bulk the normal things that you use on a daily basis when they're on discount.
And so I said, OK, you know, stock up on things you have room to store, toothpaste, toilet paper, whatever, because tariffs are going to increase their price. I wasn't suggesting they were going to go out of stock like they did during the pandemic. It's just smart economics. If you can save 20, 30, 40 percent to avoid tariffs and get a discount at Costco, you're making money.
It feels like with any volatility, there's an opportunity to make money. I mean, I would argue, I think most economists would argue that this on the whole is just bad for everyone. There's few more elegant ways to reduce prosperity globally than tariffs, as far as I can tell.
But as an investor and someone who's a student of the markets and has done really well, if and how has this changed your investment philosophy or do you see any opportunities? What is Mark Cuban doing right now with his portfolio?
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Chapter 2: How should we prepare for rising prices due to tariffs?
So there's a lot of different things. First of all, when Trump was elected, I sold most of my stocks and went to cash. So I'm actually a tiny bit net short coming into this. And so, you know, I didn't get hurt except I own a bunch of Bitcoin. So I got hurt a little bit there. But overall, you know, I'm treading water because I'm long and short.
And so I went to cash just in anticipation that something like this could happen. And so in terms of what I've done so far, I bought a little bit of Berkshire Hathaway and sold calls on it because there's so much volatility. So not to get too in the weeds, but... Warren Buffett went to cash.
And if I had a choice between having me invest my cash or Warren Buffett invest my cash, I'll have Warren Buffett invest my cash. And then selling the calls when the VIX is up high, meaning there's a lot of volatility, then you get the greatest return on selling calls, covered calls. So I did that. And that was two days ago.
I want to talk a little bit about cost plus drugs. And you've mentioned that tariffs on goods from India may cause you guys to have to increase prices. Can you talk a little bit about what's going on there if you feel like the price hikes are inevitable and what the general ecosystem looks like for your company?
So there's a couple of things. One, right now, the tariffs don't apply to medications. So it has not been an issue, but they're doing a study and we think that they will at some point. So from a cost plus drugs perspective, there's a chunk of drugs that we actually manufacture in Dallas where it won't impact us at all.
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Chapter 3: What is Mark Cuban's investment strategy amid economic uncertainty?
And then there's drugs that we'll buy from Canada that may or may not be impacted. And then there's drugs we buy from India. We don't buy anything from China that would be impacted most likely if there are tariffs. And we've already gone through the process. And what we'll do is, you know, with CostPlusDrugs.com, you go to the site, you put in the name, we show you our actual cost.
and our markup of 15% and a pharmacy and handling fee. And we'll just add tariffs to the cost when you check out so that you know what they are. So if it's a 10% tariff, it'll show up at 10%, 25%, whatever our actual cost out of pocket is, we'll just pass that on without any markups. So we'll be straightforward and transparent, but I think what's really going to be interesting
80 plus percent of prescriptions are controlled by three pharmacy benefit managers. And I would be shocked if they just pass through what the actual tariffs are without any markups or using it as a way to raise prices.
Do you feel like that's going to be an opportunity for your company to get even further reach? Because I feel like so much that goes on in the health care sector is under the cloak of darkness and that you just show up and you see a bill and you're like, how the hell did this possibly happen?
Yeah, without question. I mean, it's it's most likely a positive. You hate to say that, you know, charging.
Yeah, I don't want to profit off sick people. I'm just saying it's good for people to know actually how tariffs work and that the cost is coming straight to them.
Yeah. The issue is, you know, everybody can see what the tariffs are because they're publishing what the tariffs are from any given country. But when you're buying your medications, we'll probably be the only one that actually published our actual cost out of pocket for the tariffs.
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Chapter 4: How are tariffs affecting the pharmaceutical industry?
And so most of the other pharmacy benefit managers won't show you that and will use it as a chance to exploit it, and we won't. So if they do exploit it at all, we'll look even cheaper, and that's a benefit for us.
Elon Musk and Doge, your thoughts?
I'm all for Doge, right? I think it's a great idea to cut government that's too big. It's a great idea to cut costs. It's too expensive. But you don't do it all at once. That is the definition of lack of strategic thinking.
Because what happens is when you do it all at once, there's no chance for communities, cities, states to adapt at all or anticipate or put in processes or plans to help people find other jobs or to replace lost revenue. And what we know is that small cities, towns, states, they're far more reliant on federal spending than bigger cities are.
You know, if there's a treasury office in the city of Parkersburg, West Virginia, that has 2,000 people, the city of Parkersburg, West Virginia only has 29,000 people. And if you guess that 15,000 of them are working age, already they've cut 100 plus people from that office. If those cuts continue, that's a disproportionate impact on Parkersburg and the area.
When you look at, there was somebody who published NIH cuts and the impact they had on different communities. Iowa City, the home of the University of Iowa, lost $79 million. If it's maybe NYU and the city of New York, it's not nearly as impactful as Iowa City, Iowa. Or you're seeing in coal mining towns throughout Appalachia where they cut back on the monitors and the people who evaluate safety.
And, you know, that has a significant impact on those communities when not only did they lose the jobs, but there's nobody dealing with mining safety for them. And that, you know, that just changes the whole culture of what they're having to deal with. And so I just don't think I want smaller government. I want less spending. But you've got to think it through.
If they would have staggered it and staged it over, you know, 12 months, 18 months and said, here's where our cuts are coming. And Parkersburg, West Virginia, we anticipate cutting X number of people. You can do the math to see what the impact is on your tax assessment, your tax revenue collection, and what services you may need to give up, how many people you may need to help find jobs.
But we're going to give you some time to deal with this before it happens. If they had done it that way, Elon might be a hero for doing it the right way, but just slicing and dicing it, ready, fire, aim is no way to govern, and that's the way it feels right now.
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Chapter 5: What challenges do young men in America face today?
What do you think, if you were to advise the Democratic Party going to 26 and 28, what do you think is kind of the unifying message or messages? I mean, help people.
Just literally get on the ground and help people. If you agree with what I've said about Parkersburg, West Virginia, about cattle farmers, beef farmers in Nebraska, about people who've lost their jobs across the country, go out and help them. You know, you can't use the T word anymore. You know, Trump, when you mention the word Trump, it just triggers people.
You know, it's almost like talking to somebody who's in a bad relationship and you knew it was going to be a bad relationship and they would never admit it's a bad relationship. And the minute you bring it up, they get defensive. And it's the same way with a lot of Trump supporters.
And so rather than trying to convince them to change, because the only person who can change the mind of a Trump supporter is Donald Trump. And so my feeling for the Democratic Party is you have to go on the ground. And having the town halls is great, but the way you make those town halls impactful is by being in those towns and saying, okay, what can we do to actually help you? Can I go find...
Can I talk to the largest employers and see if there's anything that we can do to help them? Can I help, you know, are there any programs that I know of that I can connect people who have lost their jobs to help them find new jobs? You know, can I, you know, put pressure on that local Republican House member to realize that they're in a catch-22?
They either have to support their local constituents or Donald Trump. You can't do both because they're on opposite sides of the spectrum. So going out there and actually doing things for people, that's what builds momentum, in my opinion, because it helps in two ways. One, when people say, what's the Democratic Party doing?
You just tried out all these people and leverage the virality of social media. If I'm trotting out people who said, yeah, I voted Republican, but this isn't about Donald Trump. This is the fact that the Democratic Party in the state of Iowa helped me get a job when nobody from the Republican side or the White House even cared if I got fired.
Somebody helped me get this program or that program and put those people online and just flood the zone with videos of interviews like that. so that people see it continuously. That's part one. And part two of that is by putting all these Republican House members in a catch-22, right? Doge is killing your local community. Doge is killing the tax revenues that you're creating.
And here's the services that the mayor said were going to be cut. What are you going to do about it? Because if either they go against Doge and against Trump as a result, or they're going to lose in the midterm. So it's a no-lose situation for the Democrats. And that gives them content to do what really matters, which is flood the zone.
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Chapter 6: What lessons can be learned from the last election regarding young voters?
So doing those things for people, I think really gives you content, but also you're doing the right thing. And doing the right thing still matters to people. And people want to see that in their social media feed. And I think that will build a lot of positive groundswell for the Democrats.
It feels like you're describing the moral moment, as Cory Booker put it last week during his epic speech. Do you feel like Democrats are meeting that moral moment?
No, I don't. Look, to me, parties are far less relevant than they used to be. You know, if you look at the Republican Party, they zig and zag on whatever Donald Trump tells them to zig and zag on. The Republican Party is now the family business for the Trump family. And I think until there's a frontrunner for the Democrats—
You know, it's hard to define who you are as a party because, you know, you're defined by your actions. The Republican Party is defined by one person, Donald Trump. It doesn't matter what anybody else does. And there's not that one person. So the Democrats have got to have that moral moment, that moral high ground, but, you know, define themselves through action.
And, you know, when you do the right thing, when you help people, people ask, you know, who's helping me? And, you know, why are you doing this? And they in turn support you. And I think... you know, that gets the Democrats where they want to go.
So speaking of speaking of candidates, I've asked you a couple of times if you have any interest in running for president. So I want to ask it in a different way now. Imagine in two and a half years, you looked into a crystal ball and in two and a half years, it ended up that you were running for president.
What series of actions or events up into that point would you believe had to have happened such that you'd be running for president in two and a half years?
Nice try. Uh-huh. That's right.
I like that one, Scott.
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Chapter 7: How can the Democratic Party effectively reach out to voters?
And her staff didn't want to go for it.
Yeah, she just fell off. I think she really blew it because Joe Rogan, I think he would have been, I think he would have, my sense of Joe is he tries to set his guests up for success. I don't, yeah.
Yeah. Oh, I do too. Yeah.
Just on that question of media, do you see any, I know you're backing Skylight, a new equivalent to TikTok. So talk about why you're backing it, but also just in terms of the media landscape, where obviously, you know, podcasting appears to be playing a bigger and bigger role. Any thoughts on the media landscape?
So media encompasses a lot of different things, obviously. On the social media side, I'm really active on Blue Sky because it's a distributed network. It's not owned by any one person. It's got 35 million users now. And so it's not quite at a tipping point.
It's had the network effect, but it's not quite at the tipping point, which I think it needs to get to 60 or 70 million users to really start to have the X level impact. But what I really like about it is... it's, um, it's moderated because, you know, you know, when you go on X, you're going to, I'm going to get anti-Semitic responses. I'm just going to get a lot of dumb shit.
And when I'm on, um, blue sky, I'll get engagement and I can have a normal conversation because I know if anybody says something really, you know, off the wall, it gets moderated out or I can block them or report them and then they're gone. And so you can have, you know,
different types of conversations you can really interact with people now you know it's not to say that it's everybody's really you know really sweet and nice all the time like you know a third of my responses to anything i post are going to be you know we'll eat you last or billionaires are a policy failure and you know shut up and go home rich guy you you don't get this and that's okay you know it beats hate speech you know and and so i think the counter to um
right-wing media, if you will, is having Blue Sky really succeed. I think MSNBC has done a great job supporting it. I think CNN is blowing it by not being active there because it does lean left. And so you've got a lot of support there.
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