Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
ICE’s War Turns Deadly, Trump Seizes Oil Tankers, and RFK’s At It Again
09 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlov, and our Friday regular is back for 2026. We didn't let you go over the holiday. The one and only Aaron Parnas. Aaron, Happy New Year. How was your huge break? Happy New Year. It really wasn't much of a break. Oh, you were posting last. I feel like you were relaxed. That's true.
I was posting last because I actually didn't leave my couch for I think it was like 10 straight days. I didn't know what day it was half the time between like the day before Christmas and January 3rd. And then I decided to sleep in on January 3rd and then woke up to us bombing Venezuela. So then my break had an abrupt end very quickly. Yeah. OK, that's fair.
I don't think that people expected that that's what the weekend before you have to get back to work is going to be like, you know, thinking like Sunday scaries. And then you're like, oh, actually, Majora's in Brooklyn suddenly. Yeah. He's writing rap songs with Diddy. Yes. Some of the memes have been great. Like Diddy being like, what are you in for? And he's like oil. And then Diddy's like oil.
Me too. Yeah. You know, except I don't really think it's about the oil. But I yeah, it's a it's a little it's all crazy. Anyways, here we are. Happy New Year. A few things I wanted to chat with you about. First, the fatal ice shooting in Minneapolis, then Trump's expansion ambitions around the world. That's the Maduro chat. RFK Jr. 's vaccine pullback and the latest on the Epstein investigation.
So let's start in Minneapolis, where an ICE agent fatally shot 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good, a widow and mother with a young child. Federal officials are calling it self-defense. Local leaders say that doesn't hold up, with weeks of warnings about ICE activity and Mayor Fry calling this a test of the, quote, endurance of our republic. This isn't just one tragic death.
It really feels like a flashpoint over federal power, local authority and breakdown of trust. What are your top line thoughts on what happened? I know, I mean, we were texting and sending back and forth different angles on the car, the slowdown, you know, the fast forwards. What are your thoughts this morning? Yeah, I have a few thoughts.
Number one, I think America has never been so divided when it comes to immigration enforcement ever. I mean, truly, truly ever, because within minutes of the horrific shooting, people took sides immediately and there was no like middle ground. There was no like, let's just see what happened. It was immediately one side saying one thing, one side saying the other thing.
But to that end, one side had the responsibility of making sure all the facts were right before putting out a statement, and that was the federal government. When the federal government releases a statement on an officer-involved shooting, or in this case, an ICE-involved shooting, they have the responsibility to ensure that what they're putting out is factual and accurate.
And the Department of Homeland Security's initial statement saying that this was domestic terrorism, that it was clearly self-defense without having any iota of an investigation being conducted before all of the angles of the video were even released, that is irresponsible.
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Chapter 2: What happened in the fatal ICE shooting in Minneapolis?
Right, like there's footage of him just coming down the street afterwards. And also, I'm sure you've seen these videos too. Before the confrontation with this ICE officer, Renee Nicole Good actually waves another ICE vehicle ahead of her. She wasn't in a hurry to get anywhere. She clearly wasn't thinking, oh, I'm just going to be polite to the ICE officers and then I'm going to go and kill one.
And I'm curious to see... I want to say that there will be some level of accountability, but if they kind of back off of this one, because I noticed that the statements that they were giving even to NBC News did not have the full throated defense of the officer that you would expect based on what Christine Noem said out of the gate.
And it feels like one of these situations where they're just going to try to fight it as a media war more than a literal war. Right. Like you turn it into the conversation about ICE officers are under attack. And there have been some horrific things done to law enforcement officers, which are completely inexcusable.
But that feels like a safer place for them to go than necessarily to be looking at the facts of this particular case, which I should note, of course, are still evolving. Well, I think.
Honestly, what this administration should have—and you're right, because if they wanted to win this argument, honestly, in the media, what they should have done from a PR perspective, they should have come out and said, we saw the horrific shooting. We saw the horrific video. We're going to conduct a full investigation. We'll have more information for you soon. If that's all they said—
we'd be in a very different place today because I think, I mean, you have to investigate this. You can't just say immediately it was self-defense. You can't do that. And looking at the video, I mean, there were a couple of things that really stood out to me. Number one, if you look at where her tires were turning, her tires were turned to the right, right? Like they weren't straight.
They were turning away from the officer. That was number one. And number two, and I think the most important part of the video that not many people are talking about, when you look at it in slow-mo, the officer actually takes the gun out of the holster before the vehicle is moving forward. So the vehicle is going backwards, comes to a bit of a stop.
And at that moment, the officer takes the gun out of the holster. So it's even before the vehicle is actually moving forward. And the time that the officer took to remove the gun from the holster could have been to just... step a foot to the left or to the right and just to move out of the way.
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Chapter 3: How does the ICE shooting reflect the clash between federal power and local authority?
And that didn't happen. And I don't know. I mean, I really do think this is a flashpoint for ICE. ICE shouldn't have been on the ground. I'm going to be honest with you. In my opinion like that, I think these ICE raids across America, we've seen complete overkill. They're not going after the worst of the worst. They're not going after criminals. ICE probably shouldn't have been there that day.
If ICE wasn't there that day, she'd be alive today. And that's kind of where I go at the end of the day. Yeah. I also think it's important, of course, the angle of the tires matter, the time it took to take out the gun. You could have moved out of the way. You could also take it out of the gun and shot the tires. Yeah. Right. And just like stopped her.
And then if you needed to arrest her, have a conversation, it didn't seem like she was doing anything that would have been arrestable. I don't know if you saw the Atlantic article that came out today, but ICE agents only get 47 days of training under this administration. Right. Well, isn't that cute for our 47th president? Right. 47 days of training.
Many of them, they're just picking people off, literally off the streets and like saying, hey, you're deputized as an ICE agent. So like we have to have a serious conversation. Who was this person? I just want to add one thing before we move on to talk about Venezuela and maybe taking Greenland by force. You know, there were multiple shots involved in this.
And you point out like the first one through the windshield. Let's say that that's the one that you could think about. Maybe he felt endangered from that, right, as the car was moving, at least facing in his direction. But she was also shot at a 90 degree angle through the window.
And it's part of your training and it's also part of common sense if you're not trying to just kill people that you reevaluate between each shot. Right. So there's a scenario in which I think you have the one shot through the front of the windshield and then that's the end of it. Yeah. And that visual from the side into her car with the stuffed animals in her glove compartment. Right.
And then I'm sure you saw the video as well of the citizen by the side of the road who's a physician saying, can I go over there and check her pulse, try to help her in any way? And the ICE agent is basically just like, fuck off. Like, no, you know, we're dealing with it. Well, I think, I mean, I've been involved in numerous murder cases, not as a witness or a murderer, but as an attorney.
And what differentiates oftentimes like the levels of murder and like the levels of culpability is kind of that premeditation, what you're thinking about. And in this case, to me, like even and I don't think the first shot was justified in any means. I'm going to preface this. Even if you say that first shot was justified, shot two, three and four were not justified.
And that is that is evidence of premeditation right there. So, I mean, it's just all bad for this officer. And I mean, justifiably so. He should not have pulled out his gun. Do you think that ICE just continues at this clip? You know, J.D. Vance sat down with Jesse Waters last night. He's basically indicating, you know, it's all a go and even mentioned that they're going to be going door to door.
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