Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
We thank you for joining us. This is Rahimi Harris and Grody on 104.3 The Score. It is Mark Grody and Layla Rahimi in with you. And I think that you pulled a meat. Everybody does this. The receipts. You went back in our, for lack of a better term, in our finding the whys. We do want to know what happened and why Drew Dahlman did decide to retire suddenly. We also...
started going back to things he may have said or hints that we may have gotten from like orion polls for example ben johnson caleb williams drew dalman himself and mark as the bears reporter you did that you want to take us inside what you called the evidence locker room yeah absolutely dink dink the evidence locker room is in effect and credit to to my take the north partners dan weeder and adams didzinski we did some of this on the the ttn episode as well
And you're right. And we discussed this. We're not entitled to know what's going on with Drew Dallman. Maybe the Bears are entitled to know, but we're certainly not entitled to know. But that doesn't mean we're not interested. That doesn't mean that we're not curious.
As to what happened, it doesn't mean that we're not all working sources on the telephones going back and listening to audio and seeing if there's any clues or any hints because we all missed it. We all missed it and we don't know exactly what happened. So let me present to you Drew Dahlman.
on locker clean-out day to hear if there is anything that he was saying at that moment that might have led us or one to believe that he might have been thinking about what he did, and that was to retire at the age of 27 after one year of a three-year $42 million deal.
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Chapter 2: What led to Drew Dalman's sudden retirement from the Bears?
I think we're really happy with the progress we've made and with kind of the trajectory we're on, but I don't think anybody feels satisfied with the finished product. I know this is your first year here, but this team has been looking for a franchise quarterback forever. What are your thoughts on Caleb being that guy, and what did you see from him all season?
Yeah, I mean, I guess first and foremost, awesome guy, great teammate, great to have around, all those things. And then, you know, like all those privileges as a player, like as an O-line, can't tell you the amount of times that he's helped us out when we've struggled or made huge plays for the team to keep us in games or to win games. And so I don't think, I don't know what else you can ask for.
Is there a sense that you guys are well-positioned going forward, but also that it's hard to get as far as you guys got this year? As a veteran, do you have an appreciation for just kind of how close you were to advancing, and do you think that might not be more than a younger guy? I don't think you can ever really count on, oh, we'll just do it next year. Yeah, we'll do that.
You know, like that kind of thing. So I think, yeah, certainly, like, it sucks to come up short, and you know the opportunity that you missed out on. But, yeah, I think that's one of those things, like, we gave everything we had, and you've got to come back at it again next year and hope that with increased effort, increased focus, all those things, that you'll push past that.
Was that everything you thought he'd be doing? Yeah, I mean, I can't say I have a super firm notion of what it would be like or anything, but I can definitely say Ben's an incredible coach, incredible footballer, and a great leader, and it's an absolute pleasure to play for him.
So when I hear that, I don't hear anything that indicates at that point he was ready to talk about retirement yet or at least at least hint at it with people, even in a casual conversation with the media. Yeah. And he did.
alluded to next year not aggressively or anything like that you know it wasn't like the theme was we gotta get back off can't wait for otas and training camp but there was an allusion to it so it's just interesting like going back and like like maybe now watch the film where is that that he did was there somewhere along the line that he got hurt but really the point is is even right there the the the
It's something he could have alluded if he had wanted to. If Drew Dallman didn't want to be in that locker room or didn't want to be made available, it would have been frustrating for reporters, but he would not have had to have been there.
So the fact that he was present, the fact that he wasn't afraid to talk about next year still leaves us in a mysterious position as to what the thought process was then and when this actually started. Yeah, because he actually... That's a valid point, too, is he actually addressed the media. And that's not something that you guys had happen with every Bears player last year. Notably, DJ Moore.
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Chapter 3: What insights can we gather from Drew Dalman's locker clean-out day?
And he was always great. I was just talking about this with the weed man yesterday. Dan Weiderer, for those of you who want to know. And if you need something, if you know what I'm saying, he's got it for you. But I remember like David Montgomery, if you talk to him one-on-one or in a small group, he'll give you some of the best stuff out there for sure.
So, oh, and then the thing I was going to add to that is, I don't know if people remember this, but... David Montgomery is a big bowler. He likes to bowl, the game of bowling. So was Mark Potash. At one point in time during a press conference, David Montgomery asked Mark Potash, said, we should go bowling together sometime. And I think Patsy said, yeah. It never happened.
As it turned out, Weedman, Weedzy, Dan Weider went bowling with David Montgomery and a couple other guys. Just like... Just on an average Tuesday. Probably wasn't Tuesday because that's the day off. That's fantastic. Isn't that hilarious? Yeah, bowling is, I mean, it's a great hobby, especially for a place that has a lot of winter months. So I'm into it.
Like, Diversity Bowl this time of year is popping. The House of, what is it, Rock and Roll Bowl right by the House of Blues. Love that place. Great first date place. Great first, like, an activity place. That is perfect for it. But yeah, bowling never goes out of style. So your point about players not exactly seeking media out, Drew Dahlman was doing his responsibility there. Exactly.
Chapter 4: How did Drew Dalman contribute to the Bears' offensive line?
And I've always appreciated when he's talked. I feel like his comments usually are thoughtful and you get a solid answer. And he also, you could tell even when you talk to him, like he would say phrases like narrow the aperture. And we loved that because that was a great metaphor. So yeah, In those moments, it's not like he shirked anybody. No, there was none of that. He alluded to next year.
You didn't get any indication at that point in listening back to it. I mean, even that is, like, really pressing it to think that there's something there. But, yeah, no, to answer that question, like, there was nothing about Dahlman's personality. His professionalism was all there 100%. We also have a bit, as we continue on the evidence locker room here on Remy Harrison Group.
roadie i don't know if you guys heard about this but max crosby does a podcast and i don't know if you know he had caleb williams interesting you've been hearing about all that we may have heard something about it we obsessed over that for two days when i say we i mean the collective everybody's oh my god caleb williams and max crosby because we know what they were doing
Because they wanted that attention. They knew that we would give that attention because it's Max Crosby and Caleb Williams. They knew what they were doing. Yeah, you're right. They did know what they were doing. Solid podcast producing out of Max Crosby. Yeah, we see you, Max Crosby. Solid work. Yeah.
Now tell your team not to cost us two first-round picks to get you here in Chicago, where you'll be very happy. But there was Caleb Williams on the Max Crosby podcast talking about Drew Dahlman. Did I have a beast of a center? Yeah. He's... Dolman? Yeah, Dolman's insane. Yeah, he's a beast. Yeah, he's a beast. He's supremely smart, you know, really stout, you know, center and things like that.
I mean, he's unbelievable. But, you know, just helping him more, you know, building that bond, that belief and trust between us. And, you know, what we're seeing is, you know, same thing from, you know, Ben to me to me to Drew is, you know, seeing eye to eye and, you know, probably having more meetings with him, you know, throughout the weeks and things like that.
See, that's the key part there, and that's the part, and we've discussed it, just the importance not only of that position, obviously, with a developing young quarterback in Caleb Williams, but that particular guy who is so smart and so good at identifying things that need to be identified pre-snap and helping Caleb Williams with that and being in all of the quarterback meetings with Caleb Williams, which is unique relative to the rest of the offensive line.
And, you know, that's something that we've heard from our interview with Joe Thomas yesterday. That was excellent. Olin Krutz has alluded to that and talked about that in his discussions with both our afternoon show and our morning show, Mully and Ha, today. So that's something that you hear echoed. But some are better than others at it.
And I feel like to help Caleb Williams transition into a new offense, you couldn't have asked for a better partner in that combination. That's what makes this so tough. It really does. I heard Mark Potash was on in the 5 o'clock hour yesterday with Lawrence Holmes after he was abandoned by his partner, Spiegel. Had to take Ruben on a high school tour, which is pretty cool.
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