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Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show

How do you view Bears quarterback Caleb Williams after the 2025 season?

22 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What improvements does Caleb Williams want to make after the 2025 season?

2.123 - 15.105 Caleb Williams

being able to go back and look at, you know, things I could have done better. Was I too far forward? Was I too far back? You know, did I, you know, was I not consistent enough with my footwork? And, you know, did I lean off and fall off the mound is what we call it and things like that.

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15.125 - 25.363 Caleb Williams

So it's just, you know, super small things to be able to be more consistent for the guys, for the team, be able to keep the offense on the field, you know, as long as possible and, you know, be as efficient as possible.

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26.93 - 45.677 Leila Rahimi

That's Caleb Williams talking about what he wants to improve upon. This is Rahimi Harrison-Grody on 670 The Score. We spent a lot of time earlier today talking about the Coach of the Year candidates, for which Ben Johnson is up. The MVP candidates, which are four quarterbacks and Christian McCaffrey.

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46.158 - 65.102 Leila Rahimi

And it is time to delve into a little bit more of what not just Caleb Williams had to say, both on Sunday and then Monday. after the Bears game in the locker cleanout, but then also what his supervisors had to say. Head Coach Ben Johnson and Ryan Poles over at Hallis Hall. Mark Grody, you were there. We sussed it out a little bit.

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Chapter 2: How did Caleb Williams perform during the 2025 season?

65.162 - 75.094 Leila Rahimi

What were your takeaways surrounding the discussion that you heard both with locker cleanout and then just in your own impressions and then while being at Hallis Hall listening to Ryan and Ben?

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75.074 - 100.672 Mark Grote

Yeah, if I had to come up, aggregate one sort of evaluation of Caleb Williams from both Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson, it would sound something like, wow, this guy did some spectacular, great things, and we've got our quarterback. but there are still things that need to be cleaned up.

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100.712 - 112.978 Mark Grote

He needs to continue on the path that he has been on for the last five or six games, and even some of the things that Caleb was just talking about, footwork, and as he put it, I love that, falling off the mound, I love that.

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112.958 - 137.341 Mark Grote

And you even heard Ryan Pauls talking yesterday about almost like saying what he does is awkward, and I can't even begin to figure out how he gets out of some of the trouble that maybe he gets into. And we've been saying it all year. There's a box that has been checked. with Caleb Williams, and it's a huge box, and that is the ability to win games late. Now, just fill in the rest.

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137.421 - 158.271 Mark Grote

Fill in the first couple of quarters of the game. Fill in the consistency, the overthrows. And I know that his receivers have not been helpful to him this year. Way too many drops, and it reared its ugly head again in the playoff game against the Rams, Roma Dunze. But now you have the luxury of putting it together. And I would even say, and this is me talking now,

Chapter 3: What insights did Ryan Poles share about Caleb Williams' performance?

158.251 - 181.307 Mark Grote

Like Caleb Williams, like in terms of, I know, like I did learn the Bears have a quarterback. There is no doubt about it. Caleb, no problem saying that about Caleb Williams. What I don't know and what I don't think the Bears know based on what they said is how To what level do we go with Caleb Williams? Will Caleb become great? Will he become elite?

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181.568 - 188.629 Mark Grote

Right now I think Caleb is good, and I know that he's the Bears quarterback. That's where I put it right now with Caleb Williams.

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188.693 - 206.721 Marshall Harris

I don't know that I would stop at good. I think good is underselling it. I think Caleb already is great. He's not elite because of what you just talked about. But the hardest thing to figure out if you're a quarterback in the NFL is can you get it done late and in the clutch? And he's shown repeatedly you can put the ball in his hands at the end of games and he can get it done.

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206.741 - 224.657 Marshall Harris

You understand there's a lot of pedestrian quarterbacks above average quarterbacks that can get it done. And like you said, quarters one through three and kind of keep your game in it. or keep your team in it, game manage, if you will. But at the same time, Caleb Williams has already shown that he can do that. And I think what really we have discovered through

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225.295 - 241.697 Marshall Harris

The end of this season is the answer to one question, which is, do you have your quarterback? Which is a question I've been trying to answer the entire time I've lived here over five years now. And so what I want to know is, can he clean up, like you said, the little stuff at the beginning and be more consistent?

241.757 - 251.05 Marshall Harris

But as far as him being the quarterback for the future, I already told you, the Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams thing should be good to go for at least the next 10 years.

251.03 - 280.357 Leila Rahimi

Yeah, I sit with it like this. Caleb Williams in the regular season threw for 3,942 yards on a 58.1% completion rate. If that rate gets slightly higher... Think about how many more yards he's throwing for. That was good enough for seventh in the league on its own with the yards. Seventh behind Matt Stafford, who I mentioned, Jared Goff. Stafford had a 65% completion rate.

280.437 - 287.145 Leila Rahimi

Jared Goff was not at 70. He was at 68. Dak Prescott was 67.3. He threw for 4,552.

Chapter 4: What did Coach Ben Johnson say about Caleb's development?

287.485 - 312.78 Leila Rahimi

Drake May had a 72% comp rate. He was 4,394. He, in his second year, is in conversation for MVP. Then it's Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold had 67.7, 4,048 yards. Trevor Lawrence had 4,007. He had a 60.9% comp. Caleb Williams has one stat that he needs to improve right now. That's it, in my opinion, just the one.

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313.482 - 341.1 Leila Rahimi

And it's the one that could take him from already the top 10 in the league to perhaps that top five. So when it comes down to just one variable like that for me, then already I consider him in the upper third of the NFL without question. And how are we talking about him? If he takes that completion rate to just 62%, how many yards are we discussing then? Is it 4,300? Is it 4,400?

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342.582 - 347.929 Mark Grote

So I'm at good. He said great. Where are you? Good, great, or elite?

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348.668 - 370.913 Leila Rahimi

I don't think he's at elite yet because I think the elites are in the 4,000-yard club, and they're probably throwing the ball at least 61.2%. Trevor Lawrence was at 60.9%. So I think he's an MVP candidate, and he's very, very good. I think Caleb Williams is at the very, very good standpoint of this, and he's on the edge of great. And I don't think it's going to take much to get him there.

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370.943 - 390.606 Mark Grote

I'm listening too, Marshall. It's, to me, evaluating this quarterback. Of course, it literally is a fluid situation because we just watched him play in 17 games. And by the way, I shouldn't even just breeze past that. The durability has been excellent with Caleb Williams this year. There was a time in the middle of the season, maybe even a little bit earlier, that I was like, ugh.

390.586 - 407.481 Mark Grote

I'm not seeing the things I need to see out of this quarterback. But then guess what? I started seeing the things I needed to see out of this quarterback over the last five or six games of the season. And what I am trying to really take in, Marshall, is what you said about how maybe I'm not giving enough credit to what he does.

Chapter 5: What are the key statistics that define Caleb Williams' season?

407.461 - 420.902 Mark Grote

in the fourth quarter. Because you made a really good point about how there are quarterbacks who could play great for three quarters, and then they choke it away and can't do anything in the fourth quarter. So maybe I need to give more points than I already am to what he does in the fourth quarter.

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420.922 - 441.332 Marshall Harris

I think the biggest reminder is understanding how much he had to process whether you want to call it unlearning all the bad stuff that happened to him in year one, to realizing this is his first year in an offense, first year with a head coach, and how much progress we saw over the course of his second season. How can you look at, let's say, the last six to seven weeks,

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441.312 - 461.828 Marshall Harris

and not say that this guy is not exactly where you want him to be as far as just on a not finished product, but as far as development. He did everything I asked him to do in year two. In fact, he exceeded those expectations. So I don't want us to have some kind of revisionist history like, well, he's not good enough. I never expect him to be good enough after year two.

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462.088 - 466.476 Marshall Harris

I'm really looking at year three, beginning of year four for more of a finished product.

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466.456 - 476.415 Leila Rahimi

Here's the thing. If I told you that Caleb Williams was going to have more yards than Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes, what would you say?

476.935 - 490.434 Marshall Harris

I'd say what? I would say, was that because... Does it please you? No, I would say, is that because they were behind and they just had to throw, throw, throw, and their rushing attack is 15th or below in the league? And then you would tell me, no, no, they had a top three rushing attack.

490.615 - 504.715 Marshall Harris

And I said, oh, Ben Johnson's done his job in year one as a head coach, and now Caleb Williams just continues to get better. That's why I say he already is great, because I've seen him do enough great things. He will need to get more consistent, but he's already done enough great things for me to understand...

504.695 - 527.175 Leila Rahimi

he's the best quarterback to play the position for the chicago bears yeah i mean i just i look at it like you you give it you try to give a context because that's what we try to do but i think even if at the beginning of the season i had asked that question we'd all be shocked i don't know how many of us would have said like specifically justin herbert for example don't doubt or even a

527.155 - 540.978 Leila Rahimi

How far away did that seem at the time? Yeah. That's the point of, number one, the course of an NFL season and why the Bears are understanding that these playoff appearances are not guaranteed. But at the same time, it shows his progress.

Chapter 6: What challenges does Caleb Williams face in becoming an elite quarterback?

584.324 - 595.536 Mark Grote

And then there's the part where, okay, you can put that together, and it feels very doable to put together the first two quarters of the game. You might have a great-to-elite quarterback for the next 10 years.

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595.516 - 614.065 Leila Rahimi

Well, and like 773 makes a good distinction. Like, I have a second item he needs to improve on passing from the pocket. Yeah, there are aspects of the game. I'm just saying if I'm looking from numbers to numbers, like stats to stats, and accuracy and completion rate goes into that passing from the pocket point.

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614.399 - 629.269 Leila Rahimi

that if that improves slightly because of the elite plays he makes, you're talking about an exponential increase for those little completions in yards. You're talking about a very few amount of completions that need to be made to get him even farther ahead.

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629.369 - 645.955 Marshall Harris

And what I'll also say to that texter is, did you not see the last few games where... In my opinion, he stayed in that pocket too much and did not use his legs. And it was almost the opposite as he got closer to what Ben Johnson wanted him to do, be more of a pure pocket passer because it's a timing-based offense.

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646.496 - 660.555 Marshall Harris

That, I'm not going to say eliminated the special because we saw several examples of that, but he relied less on the arm talent itself and more on running Ben Johnson's offense the way it was designed to be run. And that's a good thing.

660.535 - 682.827 Mark Grote

To the point where in one of my silly little videos that I did on my walks to Soldier Field, it was the Green Bay game. I was like, hey, man, Caleb, we'd like to see him just burst out, run. You see that opening? Instead of going downfield, run for 27 yards. And here's another really good text here. You'll like this. Just the eye test alone, Caleb over everything was a resounding success.

683.168 - 685.952 Mark Grote

It really was. It truly was.

685.932 - 711.298 Leila Rahimi

And 8-1-5 and everybody who's chimed in on this. Caleb has to do more work to be elite. His wide receivers also need to make the catches they are paid to make. And Roman Dunzay falls into that category. Colson Loveling didn't have his best game on Sunday. That will happen. So, yeah, that's been a problem. And when Ben Johnson illustrated when asked about what he wanted to improve upon...

711.278 - 712.44 Leila Rahimi

Catch the ball.

Chapter 7: How do the hosts evaluate Caleb Williams on a scale of one to ten?

732.08 - 736.394 Leila Rahimi

I'm very, very good. Like he's knocking on the door of being one of the best in the league.

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736.414 - 739.343 Marshall Harris

So better then. You're in the better category for going to the better best.

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739.724 - 748.293 Leila Rahimi

Very, very good is better than better. You can't just say best, because that implies like three people.

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748.554 - 755.42 Mark Grote

But we know what he's saying. There's one level, there's a second level, and there's a third level. I'm just saying there's three levels. One, two, or three levels.

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755.48 - 757.802 Marshall Harris

And you're on the second level until you get to the third level.

758.042 - 769.994 Leila Rahimi

I'm not dividing the NFL team. I'm not dividing 30, we'll say six quarterbacks because of injuries. I'm not dividing 36 quarterbacks into three tiers. I'm doing like five, and I would put Caleb Williams in two.

770.014 - 772.656 Mark Grote

Well, well, well. Look who's got five categories.

772.636 - 774.118 Leila Rahimi

That's how the athletic does it.

775.14 - 775.28 Mark Grote

Oh.

Chapter 8: What are the future expectations for Caleb Williams in the Bears' offense?

862.866 - 885.342 Ben Johnson

He put a lot of time, a lot of effort. I thought he grew up as a professional. I thought his communication to the coaching staff grew. I thought his communication to his teammates grew. but we, we will certainly have a number of points of emphasis that he can dive into when he comes back, um, the springtime, but it's important for really all of us coaches, players support.

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885.382 - 905.315 Ben Johnson

We, we get away for a little bit. We hit the reset button. Um, I think, I think everyone needs that here at this point. Uh, the things that we highlighted for Caleb to start the season, I did think they improved as the season went along. Um, We revamped the footwork a little bit last spring, and I think the comfort level grew from that.

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906.336 - 929.998 Ben Johnson

He certainly got more comfortable with the concepts that we were running over the course of the season. That's something that we can build upon, and yet there's still a lot more that we can push through in that regard. And so I'm really encouraged about the steps he took this year. I'm Caleb Williams' number one believer. I have a lot of faith in him, what he's capable of doing,

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930.4 - 933.645 Ben Johnson

and the player that he's still striving to become.

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934.146 - 935.388 Leila Rahimi

Man, that sounds like a 6.5.

935.408 - 938.633 Marshall Harris

No, I think it sounded like a 7 right now.

938.934 - 952.416 Mark Grote

I'm more Layla on that one. I appreciated it. Ben Johnson's whole thing right now is not so fast, everybody. This season's not going to carry over. Don't be putting a 10 on my quarterback yet. We've got lots of work to do still. That's Ben Johnson saying, 6.5.

952.436 - 955.621 Marshall Harris

No one is putting a 10 on Caleb Williams, just to be clear.

955.641 - 957.083 Leila Rahimi

Who is a 10 in the NFL?

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