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Leinster go back to back and who will replace Leo Cullen in 2027?

24 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What led to Leinster's dominant victory in the URC final?

8.62 - 24.013 Neil Treacy

Hello and welcome along to the RT Rugby Podcast once again. The club season is over. Leinster are the URC champions, but we still have so much to talk about for the next month or so. To start with this week, Leinster's second URC title in a row. Leo Cullen leaving at the end of next season.

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Chapter 2: What mistakes did the Bulls make during the URC final?

23.993 - 42.127 Neil Treacy

who's going to replace him. And there's the Nations Championship coming up next week. Ian Keighley will be with us a little bit later to talk about that. Sport podcast on RTE, or sport podcast at RTE.ie to get in touch with whatever questions you like over the next few weeks. For now though, Bernard Jackman and I are back in studio this week, but still on the line.

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42.488 - 46.896 Neil Treacy

We have, we had to get him back for a chat. Jake White, Jake White, good morning. How are you doing?

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Chapter 3: How did Leinster's scrum perform under pressure?

47.483 - 66.277 Neil Treacy

Morning, Neil. Morning, Bernard. Nice to be back. We said we'd have to bring you back for a chat after what happened last week because it was a remarkably eerily similar semifinal to what happened in Croke Park 12 months ago, even down to 22-0 at halftime. At times, I couldn't really believe what I was seeing.

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Chapter 4: What is Leo Cullen's legacy at Leinster?

66.317 - 70.605 Neil Treacy

I was looking back on last year's match report thinking, can I just copy and paste this one?

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72.003 - 77.873 Jake White

Well, I think you can, Neil. I mean, that's what made me... I remember last week you asked me, is it going to be bittersweet watching this final?

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Chapter 5: Is Jake White interested in replacing Leo Cullen as head coach?

77.893 - 89.212 Jake White

And, you know, I was wondering to myself, wonder what would happen. And I did say, I think the Bulls are much better off this year than last year, based on the fact that they had so many injured players back.

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Chapter 6: What are the implications of Cullen's early departure announcement?

89.232 - 105.363 Jake White

Squad was definitely stronger. I mean, I said to you guys last week as well, they're in a happy place. The players asked for some changes, which they got. But then, you know, I felt after the game that some things, you know, there's a wonderful saying that the more things change, the more things stay the same.

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105.744 - 120.679 Jake White

And Leinster, I've said it to you many times, Bernard, I mean, I'm not a fan of Leinster just because I'm trying to win awards, but Leinster are the benchmark. You know, Leinster... I was looking at that game thinking there's only one URC team that really has a chance to win the Champions Cup.

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Chapter 7: How is Sam Prendergast preparing for the Nations Championship?

120.699 - 131.406 Jake White

Only one. Yes, we all believe we can and we all have these motivational talks about we want to play in Europe and win European Cups. But Leinster, out of all the URC teams, is the one team that can and have.

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131.386 - 149.192 Jake White

And so it showed again, you know, no Porter, no Baird, no Sneeman, no Will Connors, no Paddy McCarthy, you know, and yet they still go and win a back to back final, having had to give players away for Six Nations. I think what I got out of that is we're going to have to fight fire with fire. I mean,

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149.172 - 157.427 Jake White

I said to my mates after the weekend that not one South African side made the top eight in Europe and not one South African side made the Challenge Cup playoffs either.

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Chapter 8: What are the potential line-up changes for Ireland against Australia?

157.508 - 165.763 Jake White

So when you put that in perspective, Leinster are always going to be too much in Ireland for any touring side from South Africa.

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165.743 - 171.391 Neil Treacy

I mean, you say there was going to be too much, but Bernard, did we think too much was going to be that big of a gap?

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171.732 - 187.735 Bernard Jackman

No, I think we were surprised by the gap. I think the Bulls definitely on paper should have done better. But I think what Jake is saying, and it's rare for a coach to say it publicly because most are afraid there's a consequence of that or it looks like they're talking down their own side.

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187.715 - 204.338 Bernard Jackman

Privately, I think every top 14 coach, every Guinness Premiership coach would say the same thing, that Leinster should win the URC every year. And they are the ones, bar Bordeaux and Toulouse, who are best set up for success in the Champions Cup as well. That's just the nature of it.

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204.378 - 229.43 Bernard Jackman

But I think from a Leinster point of view, they fired on Friday night and we saw that class come to fruition and we saw it play out on the field and it wasn't even a contest. I suppose... From a Bulls point of view, the questions around why they underperformed again to that level, and basics of the game, like some of their handling, their line-out really malfunctioned.

229.51 - 247.814 Bernard Jackman

I know Leinster defended pretty well, but it wasn't anything they haven't seen before. Two block, two pods, and the Bulls seemed to get stressed incredibly easily. Yeah, and then some of their attack was very one-dimensional. And once Leinster muscled up, and were putting their bodies on the line, the Bulls looked like they had no ideas.

248.014 - 268.389 Bernard Jackman

And also, I suppose, the likes of Pollard, Keenan Moody, Willy Leroux, who you expect more of, had particularly poor games. So Leinster controlled their own destiny and it was a really good performance, but I suppose it wasn't a great look such a one-sided fan. No, it certainly wasn't.

268.549 - 287.145 Neil Treacy

And the interesting about it was, obviously Jake Leinster got off to a great start with that early try, Kane and Moody get the yellow card, but... It wasn't as if everything in those early stages went Leinster's way. Granted, they had an extra man advantage for a little while, but you're also losing Caelan Dorris inside six, seven minutes.

287.165 - 301.067 Neil Treacy

Your captain, your leader to a foot injury, which has now ruled him out of the summer. Later on in the first half, they lost Tommy O'Brien to another injury. And right around that period, Bulls started reeling off a couple of penalties. They were...

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