SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1011 How He Drove $1.4m in ChatBot PreSales
01 May 2018
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple of hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
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Chapter 2: What is Chatmatic and how does it work?
We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everybody. My guest today is Travis Stevenson, and he's a software entrepreneur and marketing coach that specializes in all things Facebook and Instagram.
He's been at it for eight years on his own and now is finally branching into a real SaaS platform for the long term called Chatmatic. Travis, are you ready to take us to the top? Yeah, absolutely. Excited to be here. All right, man. So tell us about Chatmatic. What does it do and how does it make money? So simply put, it takes advantage of Facebook Messenger.
Facebook Messenger 2016 March announced that they were allowing chat bots and messenger bots and it sounds incredibly complicated on the surface. And so what we did was we made a SaaS that allows you to take advantage of all of the capabilities without having to be a programmer, developer, understand code. So we just make it really, really simple.
And then to take it to the next level, we're also building in automations. So if you come to us and say, hey, I've got a YouTube channel, how does Messenger help my YouTube channel? We've got automations that are built into YouTube. So when you upload a new video, your Messenger subscribers are gonna get a link to that video automatically.
So we've got these automations for things like receipts for Infusionsoft, and we're working on other, you know, shopping cart providers and whatnot, but essentially we're trying to make it to where you can take your funnels that you normally would do on your own and bring them into messenger, but make that easy and conversational.
And give me a general sense of kind of the, the, the customer type you're working with. Are they paying you 10 bucks a month, 20 bucks? What's the average customer pay? It all ranges. So right now we just got done with, uh, an early, what I call alpha stage release where we released, uh, um, uh, basically it's a
minimum version of the product and it doesn't have all the features set and so when we actually release basically what we're going to do is is to kind of stir up the market a little bit at least um we're going to have flat yearly uh accounts with unlimited subscribers so okay so are you are your pre-revenue today then yeah well yeah we've actually already done uh right now we've done about 1.5 million in in sales in our alpha stage um and so broken down by what is that like how many customers paying what amount of money
It's anywhere between 697. And well, actually, we have a $97 a month account that people could take advantage of all going all the way up to $997. But we're ranging right around 1800 to 2000 ish customers, nothing big. But again, we didn't really want to roll it out too big in pre launch. So so you said to about 2000 customers and total revenue is 1.1. 1.4 1.4. Now, how did you drive those sales?
There's a lot of entrepreneurs that would love to have those kinds of pre sales before they're fully launched. Most of it's Facebook. I mean, a good majority of it came from Facebook. Obviously, I've got some I've got relationships with other marketers who have, you know, lists that are also in the same space. So there's some of that joint venture.
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Chapter 3: What are the pricing models for Chatmatic's services?
I've kind of schooled myself on UX going through it kind of trial and error, to be honest. And so it was a little bit more complicated when we first launched it. But the good news is, I would say within seven days, 60 percent of our members are active doing something.
Now, the first thing that we changed was that was one of my first questions in the new UX was when I log into the software, what do I do? Thankfully, there's a couple of things that even if you fall backwards through it, you're going to end up having some stuff going on, getting some momentum.
So it's not necessarily creating a bot as much as it is using a bot, because there's a lot of cool features that a lot of people don't know about with bots that you can do kind of automatically. But what's the value tied to, though? I mean, there is a moment where there's an aha moment. Is it the first subscriber? I mean, what is that moment?
Yeah, I mean, so subscribers is definitely one way where they're like, oh, my God, this is this is going to be great broadcasting because you can broadcast through Messenger. That's another way. But then the the other I think the best is whenever somebody comments on a post on Facebook, you're allowed to send them a message. And that's through a chat bot.
And so a lot of our users, I'd say probably 80 percent of our users are. they're most commonly using that function where if somebody comments on a post on Facebook, it'll automatically reply with something. So they're attaching it to their ads, they're attaching it to their whatever. Which also means they get opted in, right? I mean, if they get a reply, they're subscribed. Technically, yeah.
So as soon as that one, it's a one-way message originally, but then as soon as that customer comments back, it would be a subscriber, an actual subscriber that you could then have more engagement with. But right out the gate, a lot of our customers, like e-commerce, for instance, a great example, Shopify,
Customers are promoting different products with Shopify and saying, hey, if you comment below, I'll give you a 10% discount or I'll give you this. And so they're using those incentives to lower their cost for ads and do all this. So we're making it where that function is the easiest one to use because it's the most common. So as soon as you log in, that's what you're going to see.
Well, it's also the easiest way to get the first subscriber. It's just chat, right? So it makes it easy. So, so far, the 2000 you have on the platform, how many of them have gotten at least, you know, one response to the comment stream where they've gotten at least one subscriber on? Oh, actually we're around 80.
Last time I checked, we're around 80 to 85% of all of our users have at least considered one subscriber. They've gotten something that would be an action in response to something that they did.
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Chapter 4: What strategies did Travis use to achieve $1.4 million in presales?
And also they make it very easy to schedule time, right? I don't have to go back and forth via email 10,000 times with people I'm trying to meet with. Okay, at nathanlatka.com forward slash schedule. Helps me so much. And by the way, look, I like have so many meetings. I'm the best at meetings.
Chapter 5: How does Facebook play a role in Chatmatic's sales strategy?
Okay, I do them back to back. Very, very efficient. You guys know me. many people say I'm the most efficient they've ever seen. Okay. So I use the tool. It's so efficient. And by the way, I got Gavin. I said, Gavin, he's the CEO. I said, I want a great deal for my people. He said, Nathan, well, most people get a 14 day trial. Isn't that great?
I said, no, he's given us a 45 day free trial at Nathan Latka.com forward slash schedule. That's not going to stay up forever. So go get it now. Nathan Latka.com forward slash schedule. Now, is your only customer acquisition cost on this the 30% on the $700 annual sale? So, I mean, that you're paying to affiliates? That was the original, yeah.
I mean, aside from obviously overhead, but yeah, cost for sale. I mean, most, again, most of my sales came from Facebook ads running webinars. So there is that cost of... um, webinar platforms or, you know, auto webinar platforms and then Facebook ads. But, uh, you know, we were still, we were still pretty positive.
I mean, 50% cost is about what we would typically run at at most, whether it's a JV affiliate relationship or if it's ads. Got it. So sometimes you'll run ads, you'll have an ad payment, but also within a JV cut, but the worst you'll see is, you know, 350 bucks in CAC. Yeah. And so I'll never I would never run an ad and pay the affiliate commission unless we're doing a retargeting campaign.
So that's a very minor amount of sales. But the straight up cold targeting, we don't end up having an affiliate sale on that because we know that came from us. Yep. That makes good sense. Awesome. So what percentage of these 2000 do you think once you get the real kind of the real SaaS thing launched in a few months, what percent do you think are going to convert into kind of active paying folks?
Oh, man. You know, to be honest, I'm hoping that we can work hard enough. Like I'm hoping that we can actually dig deep enough into the end to get them more active and to see what it is. I would say we're going to start off with a really healthy base of over 500. I know that because you're paying the 97 bucks a month. Oh, yeah.
I mean, we already have, I think right now, 180 at that number and that's the 97. So when we actually roll it out, we're going to have a 497 a year account where you can do one fan page for a year, 497 a year breaks into like, what, $38 a month or something. So other chatbot platforms get into the several hundreds. If you have thousands of subscribers, ours is going to be capped at 497 a year.
So it's going to be pretty opportune. But that's sort of the initial goal there is to run that way. And again, we strategically didn't take on as many clients as we as we could have just based on. you don't want to end up setting incorrect expectations. And you don't want people to think that there's something that they're supposed to get that they shouldn't be.
So we said, Hey, let's do what we need to do to fund the project. And then from there, we'll kind of shut things down. And we're in that phase now. Yep. You've got a healthy base. Yeah, you've got a healthy base.
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Chapter 6: What is the expected recurring revenue model for Chatmatic?
And if I had started at 20, I give myself that excuse all the time of, oh, I'm too old now to learn, which I know I'm not, but I'm just too much in the grind. But I would have told my 20 year old self it's more important to learn how to code than to go out and do, you know, hang out with your friends. There you guys have it from Travis. Learn to code easier.
Launched the company in 2016, just recently. Chatmatic. They're now over 150 folks paying 97 bucks a month after a very healthy alpha launch that brought in about $1.4 million in capital for him to use to get the SaaS product launched off the ground. Bootstrapped, which I love. Too early to look at churn and all that yet. Spending about $210 to $350 max on customer acquisition costs.
Looking to scale here with his remote team of eight into 2018. Travis, thank you so much for taking us to the top. I appreciate it. Thank you.