SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1098 Website Redirect Service Launches, Hits $15k MRR Thanks to "Great Partners" Like Hubspot
27 Jul 2018
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. My guest today is William Richards.
He's a serial entrepreneur with extensive experience in large enterprise systems design and development. A software architect by trade, he's been building web-based technology since the late 90s and has held senior technology positions in large companies ranging from startups to agencies to global enterprises. William, are you ready to take us to the top? I am. All right. Easy Reader.
People may think this is like a scripted competitor, but it's not a reading company. What do you do?
Chapter 2: How did William Richards bootstrap his company?
No, we do URL Reader X for business. Okay, so this is like a bit.ly but enterprise. Yeah. That's right. Sort of, uh, the distinction that I would draw between Bitly or rebrandly and us is that they teamed, they tend to be focused more on the, uh, on the, uh, marketing side of things in that, like the short kind of short link stuff, easy to create those.
We're more focused on the IT side of things. So give me an example of that. Sure. So what I mean by that is that, uh, Our customers tend to be enterprise type folks who come to us because they're currently managing some infrastructure around URL redirects themselves, and they don't want to do that anymore.
Or people who are launching websites or doing website migrations, and they usually stumble upon this requirement at the last minute. And they're looking for a solution that is quick, but that they can trust. And so that's kind of where this came from. So William, this is like, so for me right now, I've built NathanLatka.com for 10 plus years. I've just launched GetLatka.com.
For a lot of SEO terms, I'll rank on NathanLatka.com. So I don't want to shut it down and consolidate to GetLatka.com, but I still want the SEO juice. You can help with that. Exactly. Exactly right. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. I won't get into all the technical terms of how it actually works, but tell me more about the business model. How do you make money? Sure. Very simple.
We charge a recurring fee on a monthly basis. SaaS is beautiful, isn't it? Yeah.
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Chapter 3: What is the business model behind the URL redirect service?
All right. So what are people paying on average? Are we talking like $100 a month, a grand, $10 million a month? What is it generally? So lowest price plans are $10 a month. Highest price plans go to the hundreds of dollars a month. But it really does depend on the requirement. Typically, we see around $30 to $40 would be our kind of average cost per user. Got it.
So this problem seems like an enterprise problem, like buying and selling websites, acquiring companies, merging them. Why do this at such a low price point? Why would someone pay? Give me a case study where it's a smaller kind of person doing this. I hate saying smaller, but you know what I mean. Yeah, no, I do. Yeah, for sure. So I think it's an interesting conundrum.
And I struggle with this a lot. We do a lot of talking about this exact point. Sometimes, you know, you're looking at companies that don't have a lot of capacity to do this themselves. So they're not really huge enterprises. So there's actually like I kind of say that any anyone who has a website could be our customers. And so you've got the whole gamut of range of people in there.
So some of them are quite small, mom and pop shops. Like we have customers who are plumbers, like single shingle plumbers. And tell me the life event in that plumber where they're changing their website URL. What is actually happening? So they probably need a website, definitely need a website, and they've gone through perhaps some sort of website migration or a small acquisition.
We see a lot of work in the mergers and acquisitions space. People buy stuff, sell stuff. So, but companies of all sizes do that. But, you know, we have that, but we don't focus on that. Where we are focused is in the larger enterprise market. Obviously, there's more money in that. There's greater retention in that. So there's a lot of reasons why we do focus on that space.
What is retention today? Churn's obviously tough for SaaS companies. Tell me about how you think in that area. Yeah. Our churn is quite good. Uh, I don't have an exact number for you, but I think it's, you know, very low single digits. Okay. And that's annually or monthly? Uh, annually. Okay. So it called annually five-ish, maybe two-ish, three-ish percent. And that's logo or revenue?
Uh, that's revenue. Revenue.
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Chapter 4: How does the company ensure customer retention?
Okay, great. Okay. That's very, very healthy. Um, walk me through more of the growth story here. What year did you launch the company in? Launched the company in 2015. Okay. Started... We... So... This is all bootstrapped. I bootstrapped this myself. I love that. Our growth story is slower than you might expect for obviously a well-financed company, but it's working out for us actually.
So started in 2015, and we've been slowly adding and growing our customer base, and the growth is increasing on a month-over-month basis. And we've had a couple of inflection points where we've really jump-started things. Tell me about the last inflection. Actually, first, give me your growth at year over year right now, and then tell me about that last inflection point. Okay, revenue.
I actually did pull up these numbers for you. Revenue growth year over year is 275%. Wow, okay. That's great. Customer growth was 156%. So going to show that we are actually making more money than we have before. And what are you at now in terms of total customers you're serving?
Total customers are in, I'm not going to get into exact numbers, but I'll say that they're in the hundreds of customers per month that are active current. We've done thousands of trials, many thousands of trials. Okay. But I mean, is it fair to say, I mean, so not more than a thousand, but can we put a, I want to give you credit.
So can we say like more than 500, but between 500 and a thousand, is that fair? Yeah. Okay, good. Let's do that. So minimum 500 and, and you're growing 275% year over year. Now, if I take that 500 times that $30 ARPU, that's 15 grand a month. Is that about right? Size-wise? Yep. Okay, good. So bootstrap the company, healthy retention, doing all the right things.
Tell me about the last inflection point. Last inflection point was when we launched a feature that does the automatic SSL certificate management. So this is a really big deal for companies, especially because now Google is saying, you know, your site should be secure and that has an SEO impact. So people are starting to be concerned about that.
And not only that, because people have been doing this for some time, they now have links out in the wild that reference HTTPS. So now they need to support SSL redirects. And that has typically been really annoying because you had to manage all that SSL certificate stuff yourself. And now we do it entirely for you, completely automatically. It takes zero work.
Okay, Top Drive, many of you ask me all the time, how did I get my website up so fast, so quickly, and why is it doing so well? The answer is simple.
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Chapter 5: What factors contributed to the company's recent growth?
I use HostGator.com to keep the thing cranking along. They've got a 45-day money-back guarantee, which is great. I used their free website builder to get this site up because it's ideal for WordPress. It's just what I use. They've got 4,500 templates and a free e-commerce plugin as well. And 24 seven support, which we love, right? We love that. I bug the hell out of them.
They always get back to me. So I've got you 30% off along with $100 in free AdWords credit. To grab it, just go to HostGator.com forward slash Nathan. But you got to do it now. Again, HostGator.com forward slash Nathan. Why do you define that as an inflection point? Talk like metrics to me. That's...
So when we launched that feature, you could see in our analytics that conversions and signups, trials, everything, the whole world just went boom. It was a huge growth point. Did conversion rate hold? In other words, pre that launch, you were converting 10% of trials as a customer. Did you keep it at that high percent, even with more volume coming in the top? Yes. That's great.
That's really great. Okay. How are you getting these customers? What does your CAC look like? Um, so, okay, so where they come from, let's talk about that. Um, we have really pretty good SEO. We've been working on that really hard. Um, so our SEO is doing quite well.
We used to spend more on, on kind of CPC, like how much, um, we're spending very little now, very little, like less than $500 a month. How much were you spending? Oh, we were spending thousands. Oh, wow. Okay. So, I mean, a pretty significant portion of your revenue. Yeah. But it's gone now. We don't do that anymore. You shifted that spend to, hey, let's get an SEO guy in here.
Let's optimize some SEO stuff. And now you get the traffic for free. Right. So we've spent a lot of time building blog articles. So we've got a lot of thought leadership posts. We've done a guest post with NS1 where we've kind of co-branded that. And we've established some good relationships with players. We have a really good relationship with HubSpot right now. They refer us a lot of customers.
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Chapter 6: How does the company handle customer acquisition?
NS1 refers us a lot of customers. And, you know, we treat their customers really, really well. So I think that they're happy to continue doing that. And what's the team size at today? We're at about five people in some sort of capacity of direct connection. And then we use a number of subcontracting companies for various things on a sort of project by project basis.
Full time, though, what, two or three? Yeah, three. Three people, okay, full-time. And where are you guys all based? Currently, we're all in Calgary, just because that's where I know everyone. But we are all remote. We don't have an office. We all work out of our own place. And I want to continue growing the company as a remote company.
Yeah, it makes it it adds a lot of freedom if you can figure out how to get your kind of virtual infrastructure set up to allow that to work. So going back on the question, it sounds like I mean, you really minimize spend here, but you're spending 500 bucks a month right now. What's it spending you do or what's it costing you to acquire a new customer?
I don't have that exact number, but not a lot. I can tell you that we have less than 30 bucks. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you're getting your pay. If people are coming on and your average price point is $30 a month, you're getting paid back in less than a month easy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Interesting. So why not do more paid spend? That's a quick payback period. You know, we're looking at it.
We're trying to find the vehicle that works. We've tried a lot of different things. And I don't know. Nothing's just really clicking for me on that. You know, obviously we're going to continue to iterate on that and probably pull in some people who are frankly smarter than the rest of us to help us figure out what that solution should look like. This is interesting.
So you're, I mean, you're in the early days, you bootstrap this, you've had a few exits in your past, right? What's that? You've had, it sounds like you've had some success in your past, right? In terms of exits? Uh, I haven't done an exit yet thus far, but this is not my first startup. That's for sure. Okay. So you've got, so I've learned a lot.
I was going to say, what did you learn like at the last one that you've implemented in this one? Oh man. Uh, what did I learn at the last one? Uh, concentrate on your business. So my background is technology.
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Chapter 7: What role does SEO play in the company's success?
So, you know, that's where I used to focus a lot of effort. And so I focused all of my effort on the business in this. And not only that, the other lesson that I learned is iterate, iterate, iterate, do tiny little things and test them. Yep. There's a big belief that I've got, you know, Malcolm Gladwell wrote that book about 10,000 hours.
I think in our world for a software person's brain, it's the first person to 10,000 tests win. And the higher velocity tests you can do at scale that I mean, look at Amazon, Facebook, they're running 100 millions of tests annually. Yeah. So what infrastructure have you set up to run these tests? Um, so we've got great analytics. So I've really focused hard on analytics.
Um, and, uh, so that's giving us a ton of data that comes in all the time. Now it's figuring out, okay, what is meaningful in this? Um, and, and then using that to make decisions and test further theories. Yep. That makes good sense. Well, let's wrap up here with the famous five. Number one, what's the last business book you read? The last one, I'll talk about my favorite one.
And my favorite one is Rework. I'm a huge fan of the guys at 37 Signals, Basecamp now. And they're just general strategy on business. So that's one for me. Number two, is there a CEO that you're following or studying there in Calgary? Well, I really like Toby from Shopify. I really like the way he speaks. I like the way he talks about his company. I think Shopify is a great company.
Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building a business? Hands down, intercom. Number four, how many hours of sleep are you getting every night? Lots, like nine. That's great. What's your situation? Married, single, you have kids? I'm married. No kids? No kids. And how old are you? I'm 42. 42. Okay, last question. What do you wish your 20-year-old self knew?
What do I wish my 20-year-old self knew? Worry less about the details and be better as being a generalist. Interesting. Less about the details, more about being a generalist. Coming from a guy with a tech background, I like that piece of advice. He's learned a lot of lessons at his last startups. He's now building again.
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Chapter 8: What lessons has the guest learned from previous startups?
Easy reader. Launched in 2015. Team of three full-time, five full-time and part-time contractors, obviously. helping companies really get their redirects down, whether it's enterprise or a plumber that just bought a smaller plumbing company that needs a redirect working properly. They saw a big point kind of change in terms of customer growth when they introduced SSL redirects.
They're serving 500 customers today, paying on average $30 a month for $15,000 a month in revenue, growing about 275% year over year right now. Will, thank you so much for taking us to the top. Thanks for having me.