SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1101 Bloomreach CEO: We've turned down acquisition offers in $400m range
30 Jul 2018
Chapter 1: What entrepreneurial experience does Raj Daddada bring to Bloomreach?
This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. Our guest today is Raj Daddada.
He has brought 10 years of enterprise and entrepreneurial experience with him when he co-founded his current company, Bloomreach. Before launching the company, he was entrepreneur residents at Moradavido Ventures.
Prior to that, he served as Cisco's director of product marketing and was on the founding team of telecom company Firstmark, LambdaNet, which grew to 80 million in run rate, in AR, I presume. He also worked in technology investment banking at Lazard Ferries. He holds a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from Princeton University and an MBA from Harvard Business School.
His thoughts on navigating the challenges of high-growth startups can be found on his blog at ddata.com. That's D-E-D-A-T-T-A dot com. Raj, are you ready to take us to the top? I am, absolutely. All right, tell us more about BloomReach. What's the company do and how do you make money? Absolutely. So what BloomReach is, is we're in the business of offering a platform to power digital experiences.
So think of every interaction you have online. You go out, you buy a pair of shoes, you look for a date, you're organizing a movie. All of those experiences online can be pretty painful. The start of the company was really asking the question, why couldn't every experience on the web feel the way it does at Netflix or at Amazon or at Uber or some of the much more modern tech companies out there?
When we think of enterprise brands, the banks and the airlines and the insurance companies and all of the other big businesses we interact with in the world, their digital experiences feel nothing like Netflix and Google and the like. So we came about trying to say, let's create a great digital platform that makes it possible for every enterprise in the world to build
an amazing digital experience, and let's offer that platform to everybody. Let's get 7 billion people around the world to have an amazing digital experience. That's why we started the company. And fast forward now several years later, we make money in a SaaS-based business model.
So we offer our services in the form of a subscription and large enterprises sign up and we drive their digital presences. And are we talking, give me a sense here of generally on average in a year, they're paying 10 grand, a hundred grand, a million, 10 million. What's general size? Average, uh, average ASP for us is around 250 K per year.
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Chapter 2: How does Bloomreach enhance digital experiences for enterprises?
So obviously significant capital raising after that, um, was, you know, I want people to make sure they pull the right lessons from this interview. I mean, one of the reasons you were able to get 5 million early on, obviously it's because of your guys' backgrounds, right? It's not as simple as just saying, look, here it is. It's going to be a success. Boom. Right. Yep.
So it was, you know, I, I'm a third time entrepreneur. I've done this before. Ashu was a well-regarded machine learning kind of guru out there. So it was our backgrounds. And I think we had a crisp problem statement that was pretty different. Nowadays, The use of AI and machine learning is popular.
In 2010, 2009, we were very early in saying we're going to have every website and app in the world powered by that. And so it was a distinct message and a distinct proposition of, hey, we'll do something pretty different with this class of technology, solve it in a different way with a different kind of team and with a fairly clear vision.
business idea that we were going to go after enterprises in a SaaS-based pricing model. And so we were fairly clear what we wanted to kind of go about doing. And what's interesting so many years later is the mission of the company hasn't changed. So what have you scaled to today in terms of total customers you're working with? Yeah, so we work with about 250 large enterprises, and they have
tens of brands each. So if you think about it in terms of websites or apps, it's probably a thousand plus. If you think about it in terms of companies, it's probably 250. The number you gave me early of the 250 grand ACV though, that's really per, that's per company you're working with, right? Per 250 that you work with or no, it's per website or something else. Yeah.
So that's that's that's an average per account. And you can think of the scale of the business as being between 50 and 100 million dollars. Yeah. I was just going to say, so if I take 250 times 250 grand a year, you know, you're cranking somewhere, you know, 5.2 ish, I think, per month that comes out to or somewhere around what, you know, 55, 60 million annually right now.
Yeah, and so when we have services revenue that we charge for as well, because when people use our platform, they have to implement it, and we support them through that. So you can think of our total revenue as between $50,000 and $100,000. Got it. Now, of the number that I just gave out, though, the basically $5 million a month, is that pure play SaaS, the $250,000?
Or did you include the professional services in the $250,000 ACB? I did not include the professional services in the ACB. And is one of the reasons, so tell me the correlation between how you think about professional services and what that's done to help you reduce your churn. I assume you're basically taking that money in to do onboarding and things. That's right.
We do a couple of things with professional services. We help with onboarding. We help with analytical services. People use our services. How do they get more value out of the software once they've bought it? We'll do things like premium support services. So some of them are technical in nature. Some of them are business consulting in nature. We also have a very large partner community.
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Chapter 3: What is Bloomreach's business model and revenue generation strategy?
Some of the smaller businesses will go out of business. Some of them will use the platform and decide they have a change of strategy. They want to build some of the software. Others might, a selection of them will go to competitors. At the scale that we're operating at now where we're driving the number of accounts and the number of deals that we're doing, it could be for a variety of reasons.
But what's interesting in our space is I think We are very much a challenger in an $8 billion market that is dominated by people like Adobe that have a $1.2 billion software revenue stream in our market. So from the market's perspective, we're sort of the fast growth challenger with a net new platform that's opened and has... machine learning and intelligence built in. It's much more cloud.
It's much more subscription. All the sort of new software models that we in Silicon Valley take for granted is still not the predominant model in the industry. Would you sell to Adobe for $400 million if they offered it? Well, I think it's fair to say that we've received very healthy acquisition offers from you know, at or around that range and turn them down. Yeah.
And walk me through as an entrepreneur, how do you manage that risk? I'll never forget the mistake I made at my first company where I turned down an acquisition offer that would have changed my life. But I'm like, you know what? I read that mark turned on Yahoo for a billion. And you know what? My dick's big, too. So I'm going to say no. Right. And it was a huge mistake.
So how do you manage when you take your wins and move on to the next big thing? Yeah, I think there's no right answer to that question. One, it's a very personal question. Each individual, I think, is in a very different spot in their life. And so one, I think you've got to ask yourself, you've got to not be doing it for ego.
You've got to be doing it because it's what you really want in your life. No one will reward you for making a bad decision later, but just because you made a decision to satisfy your ego at the time. So know yourself would be the first thing I would say. The second thing is know your opportunity and be real about it.
You know, I think every time you turn down one of these things, the moment that I've talked to every entrepreneur about is you have that oh shit moment after you say no or something bad happens and you're like, man, I should have taken that deal. Right. And you got to know that's coming. So it will happen. Yeah, it will happen. You got to know the risks as you do it.
And then, of course, it's about the rest of your shareholders, ecosystem, customers, employees. I make I believe in the promises that we make. both to our investors, our employees, our customers. So I take those things pretty seriously. It's not just about the money. Last few economics questions here before we wrap up with the famous five.
So at 12% gross revenue churn, I mean, what do you assume a minimum is? Maximum can get dangerous because you're doing so well at churn, but what do you assume a minimum is in terms of lifetime value on these accounts once you get them in? You know, I think in our kind of business, these accounts are with us for a minimum of, you know, five to seven years. Yeah.
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Chapter 4: How did Bloomreach secure its initial funding and what were the challenges?
What's your team size today? About 250 people. All in Mountain View? No. We've got offices in Mountain View, Dallas, a small office in Boston, London, Amsterdam, and Bangalore. Bangalore. Interesting. And last question, your growth, what are you targeting? What are you at? Yeah.
I think that the, the, the, without talking about today's growth rate, I think that the intention for the company is to get to a point where the company crop, when it crosses a hundred million dollars, it's a profitable company growing at 40 to 50% year over year. And we're on track for that. Okay, good. I mean, can you give me a sense of the past 12 months?
Have you doubled, tripled year over year? Year over year has grown really nicely. Okay. I mean, is that more than two or three X? What's really nice for you? it's grown really nicely without getting into the specific. Okay. So just to be clear, my audience may not know what really nice means, but you, that's something you don't want to dive into.
I'm not into diving into the specific growth rates or the exact revenue numbers. I think it's a, it's between 50 to a hundred. We're on track. That's great. Good. So, so over the past 12 months, you've grown between 50 and a percent revenue. The revenues is between 50 to a hundred million dollars. Got it. And the expectation is that as we approach
a hundred million dollars, it will grow between 40 and 50% and it will be profitable. And that's within sight. Yeah. Because of how large numbers work. I mean, it's fair to say you have to be growing faster than that though currently. Right. And you're, as you get bigger, you'll settle into 40 to 50.
You have to, you have to manage your, both the growth and the profitability to achieve those targets. Yeah. Growing really fast and burning really fast. You don't get the profitability targets. And if you're, on the other hand, growing too slowly, you don't hit the growth target. So the art is in balancing both of those. It's certainly a dance. Let's wrap up here, Raj, with the famous five.
Number one, what's the last business book you read? Well, actually, let me just say the last book that I read that I believe applies to business is The Giver, which is kind of a children's book and is about a world without emotions and irrational behavior. and what that looks like. And what that tells me, by the way, is there's a lot of things we like about our life that are irrational.
Number two, is there a CEO in Mountain View you're following or studying? Well, the CEO that I admire the most is certainly Jeff Bezos. I think what he's done with Amazon is extraordinary and a lot to learn from him. Number three, besides your own, what's your favorite online tool for growing the business? Yeah, I think my favorite online tool to grow the business is actually Salesforce.
As much as I like all the cool MarTech stuff that we do, I think the single most important thing to get right is use of Salesforce at our scale. Number four, how many hours of sleep are you getting every night? I get about seven to eight. Okay, so that's healthy. And what's your situation? Married, single, you have kids? I have two kids and I'm married. Awesome. Two kiddos.
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