SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1248 Bootstrapped Appointment Scheduling Tool Hits $1m ARR
24 Dec 2018
Chapter 1: What inspired Casey Sullivan to launch Bookafy?
launched the company back in 2015. Today, 11 people all remote around the world, 4,000 paying customers, about a million dollar run rate.
Chapter 2: How did Bookafy achieve a million-dollar run rate?
Let's call it doubling year over year. Bootstrapped, which I love, based up, again, HQ in Seattle, but spread all over the place. 1.5% logo term per month, so healthy economics from Casey. This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burned.
Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple of hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
Chapter 3: What challenges did Casey face while bootstrapping his company?
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Casey Sullivan.
He is the creator of a company called Bookafee.com. Casey, are you ready to take us to the top? Yeah, it's pronounced Bookify, though. Well, good. It's funny. I just asked you right before we started. By the way, why not go buy that domain, like B-O-O-C, sorry, B-O-O-K-A-F-Y is the domain you have, correct? Right. You need to go get like I-F-Y and E-F-Y and all the variations.
Yeah, that's a good idea. Do you have those? No, they're owned by some kind of random other software that's not... quite related, but yeah, I've thought about it. Got it. That's a bummer. Okay. Well enough about them. Tell me about you. What, what do you do and how do you make money? Yeah, cool. So we're a pure B2B SaaS company, um, bookifies an online appointment scheduling tool.
Um, we originally created it for our own company use and then we began to share with our friends and now we're serving businesses all over the world, uh, from startups to universities, marketers, uh, churches, coaches, um, people doing podcasts, no pressure. Yes, we have a ton of SMB folks using it, a lot of individuals from companies of all sizes, and then a handful of enterprise clients.
So we're working our way up the food chain. I was going to say, so most people start SMB, then kind of go up. What would you say the average customer pays you per month right now? It's $22. Okay, you knew that very quickly. So that's an average. I watch your show. So I kind of have an idea of what you might ask. Oh, that's good. Do you like it? Are you enjoying the show? I love it. Yeah.
I love it. It's good. Good. Good. Okay. And then, yeah. So, so put this on a timeline. Uh, 22 bucks is kind of an average. When do you launch the company? Uh, 2015. And where were you kind of in your life at that point? You just like quit corporate or, you know, what happened? No, I had, I was running another company. Um, and so, um, So I started using this software for our own company.
And then I, you know, as this grew, it seemed to be more of an opportunity. And so we took this on full time. That's great. And so that was 2015. So I guess three years later today, how many customers have you scaled to? We have just over 11,000 between paying and free customers. Okay. And how many just paying? Um, about a third of that. About a third. Okay, good.
So call it about 3,300, something like that. Yeah. Closer to four probably. Okay. And what, what's the number one thing that gets someone to move from one of the 11,000 like free into like an actual paid plan? What's like the activation metric, you know, you have to get them to hit. Yeah. So, um, the, the main difference between free and the pro plan is, um, is the different integrations we use.
So a pro, you add the ability to take payments, to do classes and group events, to have teams, so more than one user, and then getting text message reminders and syncing to all your personal calendars and all that stuff. The basic free plan doesn't include the pro features. And we have one plan above that, which is our enterprise plan. Got it.
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Chapter 4: What types of customers does Bookafy serve?
Yeah, a little less than that. Okay. And what's growth rate? Where were you a year ago? We were a lot less, probably less than 50%. Okay. So less than 40 grand a month in revenue. What drove most that growth? Was it, you know, a Capterra deal, AppSumo deal, you know, government organizations? It's a combination of a lot of things.
So, um, you know, most all of our money we've been spending on product development. So as the product has gotten, I mean, our 2015 product was pretty bad in hindsight. Um, and so we've spent just, you know, almost no money in marketing and almost all of our funds have been on product development. So as a product has gotten better, you know, our logo turn has gone down.
Our people are willing to pay more, pay more often. I mean, so there's more users per count. So there's a combination of, of many things that are working, but we're still on almost a, like a zero marketing budget at the moment. So we're, we're kind of relying on people loving the tool enough to, to give it a try. Yep. How are, I mean, well, let me, let me dive into your team first.
So what is the current team size today and how many are engineers? 11 and eight. Okay. Okay. Wow. So all in Seattle? All remote. Oh, everyone's remote. So our offices in Seattle, we're all remote. We have three customer service, including myself. And then between project manager, designer, and development team, there's another eight remote. Yep. Interesting.
How did you find kind of the remote developers? A lot of people struggle with this. Yeah, it's, it's not easy. So, um, I've been the company I had before we have remote developers, we had, um, onsite one person in Seattle that managed the team. And then, you know, if you have one good person, it's a lot easier to hire other good people.
But I think, I think it is a challenge if you go from zero non-technical people to hiring a team of technical people in the office. But yeah, so we did it incrementally. Um, And then with those contacts I had from the other projects, we were able to grow our team and now we have a nice fully functional remote team. And I'm going to love you so much more if you say you're still bootstrapped.
Are you bootstrapped or have you raised? We are bootstrapped. Yes. I love that. That's great. I know you love the bootstraps. Yeah. Well, everyone, everyone, I just feel like, like tech crunching these people, they just, they sell the wrong message, right?
Like I, I would much prefer to get the story from the CEO doing a million bucks a year in revenue bootstrapped and paying himself like a quarter million dollar check. Then I would like the guy that's like, you know, a billion dollar company with a three X liquidation preference ratchet clauses in a board that he hates or she hates. Right, right, right. Revenue. Yeah. What'd you say?
And no revenue. Yeah. And no, and pre-revenue. Yeah. Yeah. Revenue with a billion dollar valuation. That'd be nice. Yeah. Tell me about churn. So what is your turn today? Yeah. So we're about 1.5 per month. Logo. Okay. And what is that on a revenue basis? Do you know? Um, well on a revenue basis, it's tough because we, so we,
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Chapter 5: How does Bookafy differentiate itself from other scheduling tools?
And partly because we don't have a marketing team per se, so we've been doing, like I mentioned before, we're spending almost all of our time on product development, not on sales and marketing. And so when we've done sales and marketing through other channels, I've just had a lot of pain.
Going through, say, Facebook, we get customers who are really interested in the product and they're like, oh, that's awesome. And then they just never really, they would set up but then never actually use the product or eventually, of course, pay. And so our percentage of people going from using to paying was really low, where I think
when we're getting direct clicks from, say, Google or from Capterra, they're already expressing a need for a software like this, and then they're coming to us, and we actually are... Yeah, we actually do pretty well with that customer because they're looking for a product. We're super versatile. It's a really pretty product.
And so we actually do pretty well with those customers, especially when they've looked at a bunch of customers. So do you, I mean, do you know off the top of your head how many click, I guess clicks is the right number, how many clicks from Capterra you get per month? I do. So we have a really, really low budget. So as I mentioned, we spend almost nothing on marketing.
So our budget, the only money we spend on marketing at the moment is through Capterra, and we spend less than $500 per month. Okay. $500, like just... Like, and we primarily use it for, um, you know, metric tracking and feedback and kind of building our, our sort of long-term scaling plan, but we haven't actually really put the pedal to the metal. How many clicks where you get from that?
What's that? How many clicks do you get for the 500 spend? We spend less than a dollar per click. Okay. Dollar per click. And then how many clicks do you need typically to convert a customer from Capterra? Do you know? Yeah. So it's about, so our, our conversion from. Somebody coming to our site to actually signing up for our product is just under 20% at Keptera.
Actually signing up for free or actually signing up with paid? Signing up in general. And then of that, about 35% will become a paid client. I see. Okay, so if Keptera gives you 100 clicks, what you're saying is because there's an intent there, 20 will sign up for free and paid. And then of that, call it... Like around seven-ish will become a paid customer.
I mean, that's actually a pretty healthy channel, actually. It's actually really good. Yeah. So why not double your spend there? Um, we just haven't, I mean, honestly, I've been more focused. Like we have so much we're doing on a product side and that I just, um, I just feel like I want to make it.
And this is probably, um, not, I mean, I know there's, there's a, there's a blind spot here, but you know, I'm, I'm so, um, interested in making the product better that I haven't really focused on the sales side of it. Yeah. And are you a developer? Do you code? I don't. Okay. So you're like specking stuff out and passing it to the dev team. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
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Chapter 6: What marketing strategies has Bookafy used for growth?
Rework. That's always been a favorite. Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? I actually do really like Jason from Basecamp, and I think he would be on my list for sure. Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building a company besides your own? Online tool? So we use a lot of ā we use Zapier and we use ā
Jira and we use Stripe and all those are great for autoimmune, but I actually use a tool called Snagit, a massive amount to give feedback to my team. It's like a screen capture thing on steroids.
Chapter 7: How does Casey manage a remote team effectively?
So I think that's the product I use the very most in running the business. Strangely. Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? Eight. That's good. I sleep from about 10 to six every day. That's good. And I, it looks like you, I see dad posters behind you and makes like soccer pictures. How many kids you have? I have four kids from four, seven, 10, and 11. Four, so married?
Yeah, 17 years. Holy mackerel. Amazing. Married, four kids, and how old are you? I'm going to be 40 in December. Congrats. That's exciting. Last question. What was your 20-year-old self new, Casey? Yeah, I thought about that question. So I think I would, you know, when I was 20, I was mostly focused on, you know, growing revenue. So building businesses and
and flipping houses and doing all this stuff to grow revenue. I think in hindsight I would have told myself to slow down and focus on the relationships and the money whether you have a big house or a small house or like any richer or it's the relationships I think that I would have told myself to focus on more. Slow down, build the relationships. Again, launched the company back in 2015.
Today, 11 people all remote around the world, 4,000 paying customers, about a million dollar run rate. Let's call it doubling year over year. Bootstrapped, which I love, based up, again, HQ in Seattle, but spread all over the place. 1.5% logo term per month, so healthy economics from Casey. Casey, pronounce the company for me again. See, that's how you make sure you don't get it wrong.
You have the CEO pronounce it. Thanks so much for taking us to the top. Yeah. Hey, thank you. Take care.
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