SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1338 How He Converted 50 out of 800 Users to Paid
24 Mar 2019
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, everyone.
Chapter 2: What inspired Anand to start EngageSpot?
My guest today is Anand S. He's currently 25 years old and is the co-founder and CEO of two software startups. He started coding at the age of 13, started his first business at 18, and then founded a web company called CloudFoyo in 2015, which was a web development agency.
In 2017, he started EngageSpot as a side project, which is currently one of the leading push notification platforms that sends around 400 million notifications a month. Anand, are you ready to take us to the top? Yeah, thanks for having me, Nathan. Let's get started. You bet. Okay, so tell us what EngageSpot does and what's your revenue model? How do you make money?
Yeah, so EngageSpot is actually a push notification platform that helps web developers implement push notification system to their web applications. So that's what EngageSpot is doing. So this is like when I go to CNN and they say, can we push you browser notifications? And I click accept. Then when they put a new episode up, I'll get browser notifications on my computer, my desktop.
Yeah, but we are much more different than that. There are a lot of push notification systems like that, but they're kind of focused on making push notifications available to SaaS applications. So if you consider Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, all of them have notification systems, right?
So these notification systems consist of two parts, mainly one on the on-site notifications, where you can see a bell icon, and when you click the bell icon, you can see all the notifications that you have received. And also, if you close your browser, you still receive the notifications directly on your desktop.
So we help developers implement this system, these two types of notifications, using just one line of code. So that's what we are doing. It's like a JavaScript plugin or something? Yeah, yeah, right. Very cool. Okay. And then so how do people pay this? It sounds like it's a SaaS platform.
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Chapter 3: How does EngageSpot's push notification system work?
What do people pay on average per month for this? Yeah, it's a SaaS platform. So we have two plans. Actually, we have three plans. One is a premium free plan. Then we have a $90 per month plan. Then another one is $50 per month. Okay. Again, on average, what would you say customers pay you per month? Yeah, most of the hours are on the $50 per month plan. 5-0? Yeah, 5-0, right. Okay.
And Anand, what year, put this on a timeline for us, what year did you launch the company? So we actually launched the company back in February 2017. But at that time, we were not actually, you know, it was much different from what we have now. So it was actually around mid-2018 when we launched the full version of the product. Oh, you said, sorry, 2018? Yeah, 2018, around mid-2018, right.
Okay, and have you bootstrapped the company or raised capital? It's completely bootstrapped. Okay, that's great. So we were running an agency, so from the agency to bootstrap this company. So what did you grow the agency to in terms of clientele or team size before you switched and turned on the SaaS platform? Right, so we were a team of 10 people. Okay.
And what kind of web app, like what kind of web consulting were you doing? Yeah. So mainly we were doing SaaS applications. So most of the projects that we were doing were to build SaaS products for other startups. So one of the most common thing that, yeah, one of the most common component that we saw in all these projects, SaaS projects where there's not figuration system.
So that's why we started Engage for us as a side project in 2017. I got it. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. And then what have you scaled to today in terms of total customers on the platform? So we have, in total, we have around 800 customers using our platform all around the globe. Okay, 800 customers. Yeah, 50 paying customers. Five zero? Yeah. Yeah, price zero.
Okay, so 50 customers paying $50 a month, that's about $2,500 a month in revenue? Yeah, correct, yeah. Okay, and what were you doing exactly a year ago? Were you pre-revenue? Yeah, a year ago we were implementing, you know, we were trying some feature updates and we were pivoting the product. So when we started earlier, it was not exactly like the product today.
So it was actually a marketing automation tool when we started. So let me ask you a question. I mean, you're sending out 400 million notifications every month, but your revenue is very, very small. I mean, why aren't you priced around number of notifications sent? Yeah, so as I said, actually, our product was not priced. So actually, we implemented the pricing model just a few months back.
like around six months ago. So we were implementing a lot of new features and we were pivoting the product because we didn't get the product market fit until mid-2080. How do you know that it's a fit though? I mean, you only have 50 customers. Yeah, right. But we can see the growth in the graph when you actually feel like the product market fit. So
Recently, we have seen a shift in the customer growth gap or paying customer growth gap. Okay, I guess I'm asking is how do you know you have product market fit though? You have 50 customers. I mean, of course, you've seen growth because going from $1 to $3 is 300% growth. So of course, you've seen growth. But how do you know you have product market fit?
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Chapter 4: What is the pricing model for EngageSpot?
Yeah, I'm on the website right now. Where do I see notifications? On the top right, you can see a bell icon. Yep, I see that. Yeah. Oh, I see. Okay, so these are the kinds of notifications. Okay, so you have this version of the notification and then you have another version which basically pops up on the desk.
Like if I have your site like minimized and you do something, I could get a notification on my desktop, right? Yeah, exactly. Interesting, very interesting.
You know, what's interesting to me though is you've tied your pricing to, like your pricing is around number of active users and number of websites and you give everyone unlimited notifications even though the notification seems to be the value metric. Yeah, sorry, can you please explain that?
Like I'm just saying, you've given away your most valuable part of your product for free because you give unlimited notifications to everybody. I'm just curious how you decide to price around number of active users and number of websites. Yeah, the pricing model is actually based on by comparing with the right competitors in the market. So that's how we decide the pricing. Who do you compete with?
Actually, if you consider, there's one product called OneSignal. Called what? OneSignal, that was the OneSignal, yeah. Who else? Yeah, so our main company is OneSignal, then comes iSudo and PushGrowth. So those are the main players in the industry. Yeah, PushGrowth, right? So those are the main players in the industry, and most of them are focused on blogs, providing push notifications for blogs.
So we just place the product as an authentication provider for SaaS applications. Yep. So you're bootstrapped. How many customers do you have? I mean, sorry, how many team members do you have? Currently five. Five. And where's everyone based? Sorry? Where's everybody based? We are based in India. We're from India. And then, do you have enough data yet to know what your journey is? No.
Currently, we are not in a position to want We haven't lost any paying customers so far, so that's what we're doing. That's good. How are you... What's the most effective way for you to convert one of your 800 free users to a paid user? Is it adding a number of admins or adding websites or what? You mean how we add new customers, right?
What's the most effective upsell that you're putting in front of your 800 free users that gets them to upgrade? Yeah, so once they reach the limit of the free plan, they want to upgrade to use them. to continue using the product. Yeah, so you're not having to call them and sell them. They're just naturally upselling? No, we are not manually upselling.
So once they hit the limit, they manually upgrade to the paid plan. So that's how it's working. And my question is, are you putting touch on the sale? Are you calling them? Or is it a no-touch upgrade? It's a no-touch upgrade. I see. But we usually send email reminders, reminding that you have hit the limit of the free plan so you can upgrade to continue using the service.
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Anand face in building his customer base?
Sorry, I didn't hear you. What is your favorite business book? It's Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying right now? Sundar Pichai. Sorry, who? What's the CEO of the company? Google, Sundar Pichai. Ah, got it. Number three, what's your favorite online tool? Slack.
Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? I sleep around seven. And what's your situation? Married, single, kids? I'm single. No kids? I'm single. I'm single. You could be single and still have kids from a past relationship. No kids? No kids. Okay. And how old are you? I'm 25. 25. Last question. What was your 20-year-old self new? Starting an entrepreneurship is hard.
Guys, starting a company is tricky. Again, launched his company back in 2018. Pushed notifications, EngageSpot.co. 50 customers today paying 50 bucks a month. So 2,500 bucks a month in revenue today. They are bootstrapped, operating at breakeven. Five people in India. Too early to talk about economics as they look to scale Anand. Thanks for taking us to the top. Yeah, thank you.