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03 May 2019
Chapter 1: What is Shorthand and how does it support storytelling teams?
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joined shorthand, but he is not the founder, but joined shorthand back in 2016. That was three years after launch. The early investors who owned about 100% of the company basically kicked out the first two founders. He's now running it, driving great growth, 100% year-over-year growth from about 60 grand in monthly recurring revenue in August 2017 up to about 125 grand per month today.
That's from 250 customers that pay on average 500 bucks a month, but those are all annual plans, so about 6,000 per year. Again, those are usually paid all up front. 2.5 million raised all in, that's US dollars. 2% revenue churn per month, that's on a gross basis, spending about 50 cents for a new dollar of ARR.
Or said differently, they're spending about $3,000 to acquire a new $6,000 customer with a six-month payback period. Team of 10 people based in remote locations, but mainly New York City and London. This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn.
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With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Ricky Robinson.
He's the CEO at Shorthand, maker of the visual storytelling platform trusted by the BBC, Business Insider, Refinery29, Honda UK, Save the Children, and hundreds of other publishers, brands, nonprofits, and universities. They make it simple for storytelling teams to create memorable stories that audiences want to share. Ricky, are you ready to take us to the top? Absolutely. All right.
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Chapter 2: How does Shorthand generate revenue through subscriptions?
So the editor, the editor is really magical to use. A lot of our customers say, you know, it's the best part of their day, using shorthand to create stories. So we put a lot of effort into that. And then the rest of the magic is all in the browser on the front end.
And I think one thing that we do that a lot of other platforms don't, and I guess why the likes of BBC and Business Insider are using shorthand is because we kind of make sure that all these interactions work across every device, every platform. So we do put a lot of effort into that. Give me an example of Business Insider. So what's the post they used you on?
Yeah, so Business Insider, they use it for commercial content. So they do sponsored content for, you know, likes of Volvo, Cartier, those sorts of brands. And that's a fairly big use case. So... news publishers wanting to offer their brand customers something special and a cut above what they've been offered previously, but also something that they can do on a repeatable basis, right?
So again, in the past, they've done these stories, but it's taken a lot of effort. And now they can kind of create a lot of these stories in a very quick timeframe. Yeah, it makes sense. Walk me through what the average price one is per year. I want to avoid going on every customer cohort. I'm Yeah, absolutely. So it's 6,000, uh, us got it. 6,000 per year.
And, and what, what generally do people get for that? Is that like one piece of content per month or how do you, how do you define that? No. So we'll, we'll talk about that in a minute, but I think one of the lessons we learned was, was not to offer it on a, on a per piece basis. Um, and we'll talk about why in a based on features.
But the big differentiator between whether you're paying in the tens of thousands for shorthand or less than that is whether you're exporting the story onto your own infrastructure. Um, there's a big difference between customers who want and need that ability and customers who are happy to have their stories hosted on shorthand infrastructure.
And so there's a, there's a big difference in value there. Walk me through how you're tackling something like load speed, right? So I've tested a bunch of these sites before I did it. And the load speed was really, really bad because it's such interactive content, right? Some of these things I imagine on the BBC, you're not actually hosting them. So, so how do you handle things like load speed?
Yeah. So, I mean, load speed is an interesting one. I think you'll find that for the kinds of stories that these are, shorthand stories do load fast. And one of the things that... If they're hosted on you and not exported. Yeah, well, it depends. A lot of our customers do a good job of putting that on decent infrastructure, CDN in front, all of that kind of stuff. Yeah.
One thing that shorthand is that's different to some other platforms is that it's static files, right? They're flat files. So you are loading... The HTML, the assets, CSS, all off just a normal web server, right? It's not being dynamically served out of a database.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Shorthand face in its early growth?
So that's one thing that is quite different to other solutions. And it's a big trend on the web at the moment is these static files, right? So when did you launch the company? What year? So we got started, we incorporated in 2013, but there was no product until 2014. Okay. And so how'd you support yourself over that time? Did you guys raise capital? Yeah, we did.
So we have an investor, well-known guy in Australia called Graham Wood. So he's backed us. He's the only backer at the moment. How much there in the beginning did he give you? Yeah. So 3 million Australian. Okay. And, and total raise, total raise to date is how much? That's it. Yeah. Oh, just the three. Sorry. We, sorry.
We, we, we did, uh, we raised another 500, um, basically to open up a shop in New York. Okay. So you've raised 3,500,000 Australian dollars, which is equivalent to about two point today, which is equivalent about 2.5 million us dollars. Yeah. Okay. Great. And just from one investor, that must be nice. Yeah, I mean, Graham's really supportive.
He's always been very interested in independent journalism, good journalism. He funds The Guardian in Australia, so The Guardian newspaper, and he's had a bunch of other projects in this space before. And over the past couple of years, what have you been able to scale to in terms of total customers using you guys? Yeah, so we're just shy of 250 customers at the moment. That's great.
Now, if I take that 250 times, now you said that 6,000, obviously it was annually, but that puts you at about a $1.5 million run rate. Is that about accurate? That's about accurate. Yeah. That's great. That's very good. And talk to me about growth. So if you're at about 1.5 in a year today, where were you about a year ago? Interesting. Yeah. About a year ago, we were doing, where are we?
We're doing about 60, 60 MRR. So you've learned double. Yeah. Over this year, I think the last Australian financial year, which kind of ends in June, it's been a little bit slower than the previous year. And I think the reason for that was these story limited plans that we offered, right? So we offered these plans for $3,000 and then $3,500, which gave you like a couple of stories.
And that was great for growth. They sold by the bucket load. The problem is that a lot of those customers, once they'd created those stories and exported them, that was it. They were done. Gone. And so churn over this last six months or so has not been great. It's been terrible. Our churn is like 2%. It's like 2% logo churn per month? Yeah. No, that's revenue churn. 2% revenue churn per month.
That's net or gross revenue churn? Uh, that is, that is, uh, gross. Okay. So you're not adding back any upsells? No, no, no, no. Okay, great. And so why do you, why do you say that's horrible? That's actually, I mean, that's not horrendous. It's for us. It is because we know where we were before. Where were you? Our churn was, was awesome. So less than half of that. Okay.
So what, sorry, what changed? So the story limit story limited plans, right? So offering these things where they create two stories, uh, And that's all they need. And they move on. So I think our problem there was in plan design. And I think we've sorted that problem out now.
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Chapter 4: How does Shorthand differentiate itself from traditional content creation methods?
Like we obviously don't offer those plans anymore. But it turns higher. Well, churn is high at the moment because we've got annual plans, right? So we sold a plan a year ago, one of these $3,000 plans, they're churning now. Oh God, they're not renewing at the new price point. I see what you're saying. So that's been our issue.
But if you remove all of those story limited plans, our curve looks a lot nicer. Yeah. I would argue that 2% revenue churn per month on a gross basis generated by the fact that you're asking people to essentially, who were paying $3,000, now pay $6,000 for the same thing. That's actually not bad at all. Walk me through new customers you're onboarding. What's your CAC?
Yeah, so our CAC, it costs us $0.50 on the new ARR dollar. Yeah, so you spend $0.50 for that new dollar of ARR. Yeah. So I guess, uh, three, you know, it's $3,000, um, to bring on a new customer. Yep. 3k CAC. And so then you're getting paid back what in about six months? Um, yeah, roughly that. Yeah. But it's all up. Is it all paid up front? So on a cash basis, it's instant. Absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So, so our cash, I mean, you know, the last Australian financial year, we, we had a cash flow positive year. So it was, yeah. And grown and grown, you said about 100% year over year, that's healthy. Yeah. Talk to me about team size. How many team members and where are you based? We have 10 FTE. We're based all over the world. So we have an office here in New York, London.
So London, the UK, Europe is kind of our main market. That's where we got started. That's where we got traction with a lot of the big publishers. The US is kind of just coming up and maybe going to overtake that over the next 12 months. And then we have our development team in Australia, in Brisbane mainly. And we have a guy in Japan and another guy in Seattle.
So we're kind of very distributed, very remote. That's great. And walk me through kind of in terms of what you're doing with the company today. So are you looking at raising more capital or drive growth? We're not sure. Like we think, you know, obviously we've done a bit of analysis. We know what levers we have to pull. You know, if we spend this much here, we're going to grow by that much.
Tell me about one of those levers. Yeah. Yeah. So we've spent nothing on marketing, literally nothing. We've grown to where we are today just based on publishers coming in, creating great looking stories, putting them on their website, people reading those stories going, holy cow, how did they make this?
Most of the stories have a shorthand logo at the bottom and people click that and come through to our website. So I'd say 30, 40% of people reach us that way and the rest is pretty much all just search. And so we've done very little there to optimize that search as well. Currently, that's a big project for us at the moment is SEO. And so how are you tackling that project?
Does it have to do with hiring SEO experts or what? Yeah, so that, so just bringing in, we've done a contra deal with an agency that kind of specializes in that. We have a data scientist on the team, very, very smart, quickie. And, you know, there's just so much low-hanging fruit for us in that space because we haven't done anything.
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Chapter 5: What is the average pricing model for Shorthand's services?
We have a lot of fun. We have great customers. Yeah, but Ricky, you have, come on. You're an entrepreneur. You're taking all the risk. I believe what you're saying. Like, that's the right answer. But you're taking all the risk. You own no equity. Correct. Today. Today. Yeah. So what is your path to equity?
It's finding a buyer who will then also say, hey, Ricky, now we bought Graham out and gave him a great return. Now we want to give you 10% equity and incentivize you to keep building the company. It's going to be something like that. Yes. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So do you take a $20 million deal or actually does Graham take a $20 million deal?
Um, I think, I think we'd, we'd, we'd need to consider that. Um, it will change the way that, that shorthand operates. Well, of course, shorthand, I mean, you know, the story so far is, you know, we've, we've kind of dug ourselves out of a hole. Um, and now we're cashflow positive, um, Um, and things are kind of going great. Right. And, and then we look at, we look at investment.
We say like, do we want to change that? Um, just be clear. Let's not call it, let's not call it an investment because it's not someone else would basically buy out. It's a sale. And then a restructure of the cap table. That, that may be the way it goes down. That may not be that there have been like, so like, there are multiple different paths to how this could work.
Okay, well, if one of the paths is someone investing 20 million, right, and owning 10% of the company, that gives you guys a valuation of something that I would just want to understand how the hell you do that because 20 million for buying 10%, that's like a $200 million valuation on 1.5 in AR, that's like 200X. Completely agree. It boggles my mind as well.
But just to be clear, you don't have offers for 20 million to buy 10% of the company. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a buyout. No. What we have discussed, and I'll be clear, there is no offer. What has been discussed is that we reach something like two to three million ARR. At that point, it'll be basically a 30% cut to Graham.
So it will be as if Graham has owned 30% of the company in the past. And then the investor will come in by 30% of the company. Okay, so let me just play this through. You have $3 million. A year from now, you're coming back on the show. Nathan, we hit $3 million in AR. Great. Someone came in. Graham currently owns 100%. Someone pays $20 million and buys 70%, which means Graham now owns 30%.
Where do you fit in this picture? No, no, no, no, no, no. So... The investor will buy 30% of the company. So 30% will be Graham. 30% will be the new investor. Okay, well, where's the other 40%? The rest is the team. Yeah, but someone has to buy that from Graham though. Someone has to buy that from Graham though. He owns it right now. Yeah, absolutely.
So the company is going to pay him for that extra 40% to then make it basically an employee option pool? I'm not sure what you mean. Graham currently has 100%. For him to get down to 30%, someone has to buy 70% from him. You're saying an investor is going to take 30%. Well, there's still 40% unaccounted for. I'm just saying it'll be a complete restructure of the cap table.
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