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1413 With $4m in ARR, This Cannabis POS System Is Market Leader Growing 3x YoY
07 Jun 2019
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Founded Flow Hub in 2015, helping folks in the cannabis industry in a legal, compliant, and regulatory way. Again, process payments on location. They're working currently right now with about 500 different locations, paying on average, call it 8,000 bucks per year. So doing about 330 grand per month right now. That's up from 120 grand per month back in August 2017.
So almost 3x growth year over year. They raised about 8 million bucks, team of 40 people between Denver, San Fran, and
la economics healthy 98 logo retention annually net revenue retention annually over a hundred percent they're just now starting to figure out and scale their marketing team to get into things like cac payback period lifetime value super healthy with low churn this is the top entrepreneurs podcast where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn
Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple of hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company. It was $160 million, which is the size of any IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers.
With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everybody. My guest today is Kyle Sherman. He's the founder and CEO of Flow Hub and serves on the board of and directors as chairman.
A legalization advocate and entrepreneur, Kyle is finding ways to use technology to help drive cannabis legalization forward responsibly in the United States. Kyle, are you ready to take us to the top? I'm ready to do it. Let's go. So I have to start with something that's going to make you cringe.
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Chapter 2: What inspired Kyle Sherman to found Flowhub?
But during the day, we're productive professionals. Right now, if I was stoned, I think I'd probably be on a couch. I have two kinds of friends, the kinds of friends that like they get tired and they pass out other kind of friends. They are most creative with the responsible kind of edible in their system or something like that. So let's jump into Flow Hub.
What do you guys do and how do you make money? Yeah, sure. So we created basically a point of sale compliance platform for cannabis dispensaries. And we're a SaaS platform. That means we charge monthly for our services. And yeah, that's pretty much how we make money today. We're getting into payments too, which is really exciting.
So when you really look at us holistically, we're a point of sale service that offers payment solutions for this industry. What's the customer pay on average per month? You know, look, our ACV year is around $8,000 today. Some go as high as $45,000. It kind of depends on the size of the dispensary, but you can break that down. We typically do a minimum of a 12-month contract.
So we look at these contracts in kind of a 12-month view. But eight grand ACV is a fair average? Yeah, I would say for our single locations, it's probably around eight grand today. It grows every year, obviously. And are you, do you have a partner for the, it sounds like there's a point-to-point sales system. Are you building the hardware yourself or do you have a partner for that?
No, so we partnered with HP earlier this year to provide an all-in-one solution. So these systems ship. uh, from HP over to our customers, uh, with our, uh, platform installed on it. However, you can install flow hub on a Mac, a PC, you know, a tablet, any type of hardware, hardware agnostic truly.
But for those who just want an all in one out of the box solution, they're opening their dispensary. You can get that from HP and it works really well. It's a very cool system. You're subsidizing that for them. You're paying for it for them or they're having to pay extra for that. No, no, they're, they're buying that. Okay. And what's that cost? All in one HP solution. No ASP solution.
I think they get those. It kind of depends on all of the hardware options they buy and what state they're in because various states need various, you know, hardware packages. You know, some states you have to print labels, others you don't. So I want to say it's anywhere between like two grand and 3,500 bucks for an entire setup. It's all your printers and everything. Something along those lines.
And how many customers, well actually put this on a timeline for me first. So when did you launch the company? What year? January 2015, we founded the company, we raised some money and then really started cranking in April. Okay. And so how much have you raised to date? About $8 million. $8 million. And was this through traditional VCs or did you have to get creative considering the industry?
No, great question. Interestingly, there's actually some VCs that are specific to the space. And so early on, our seed round was led by a group called Poseidon out of San Francisco. And they're kind of one of the premier early stage hedge funds in I guess I would consider more of a VC actually rather than a hedge fund. But they were early stage, kind of first to market in the space.
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Chapter 3: How does Flowhub's POS system work for cannabis dispensaries?
Now, if people churn, why do they churn? Typically, it's a small mom-and-pop store that maybe hasn't figured out how to optimize their margins, and so they close. So that's a big one. Another one is, look, a lot of these business owners, they don't fully know what they want to do.
It's kind of like maybe they don't understand what software really means to them, so they're going to switch software providers every year. They're constantly trying to grow their business. Maybe ownership has changed. There's these kind of variables. that kind of go into why customers would churn. The majority is truly because they shut down, though.
They can't maintain the license and the structure. Yeah, I mean, look, 80%, 90% of SMBs fail in the first year. So, I mean, I get that. The churn's actually good considering that space. So walk me through how you're acquiring these customers. What's your CAC? How are you getting them? Yeah, so the big one actually is just word of mouth.
Because we were first to market in Colorado in this newly regulated environment, we basically connected our software to the state regulators. So we could push data to and from the state, right? We could push data and pull data down from the state on behalf of our customers, which is required by law. Back then, it was being done manually.
Chapter 4: What is the average revenue generated by Flowhub's customers?
So we kind of came out and said, look, we're going to automate all of this. And so literally all word of mouth. That's how we were getting logos early on. We just started building our sales organization this year, if you can believe it. So it's, you know, it's really at this point now, it's just about scaling out the sales.
We're doing more outbound rather than just kind of relying on our inbound leads. So what's your team size today? We're about 40. 40 people all based there in Denver? No. So we have an office in San Francisco and Los Angeles. And then our headquarters is in Denver. Okay, so 40 people. And of those 40, how many of them are focused on like content or marketing or onboarding or sales?
We've got to see about six at this point between marketing and our sales org. Okay, so about six people. But you feel like you haven't yet been able to kind of successfully forecast CAC? You know, it's tough, right? Like, I think we're figuring that out. I'll have a good answer for you in about a month and a half.
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That's capterra.com slash top. Capterra, that's C-A-P-T-E-R-R-A dot com slash top. Capterra, software selection simplified. Let me ask you, you've raised capital. You said 8 million to date. When was the last round? It was earlier this year. It was right at the beginning of the year we closed another small round. Okay, whether it's a good question or not, I'm sure it came up.
I mean, when you were raising, I'm sure the CAC question and LTV, like your typical SaaS metrics came up. What did you tell these investors when they said, what's your CAC? How can you spend money to get more customers? So our LTV is five years, about $44,000. Okay. So same question though, right? If they ask you like, okay, we're going to give you a million bucks.
How are we going to use that to go essentially buy more customers? Where would you spend that money? How do you, how do you answer that question? Yeah. I mean, look, I think, you know, I don't even, I have no idea. Did they ask, did they ask you that question? No, I mean, we talked about ratios. Like we're, we're about a three to one. In terms of LTV to CAC ratio. Right. Yeah. Okay.
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