SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1455 How Groove Scaled To 400 Customers, $5M in ARR on $3.8M Raised
19 Jul 2019
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Just passed about $5 million in ARR. That's more than double year over year. 400 customers paying about a grand per month is how we get to that number. Net revenue retention, well over 100% year over year. They've raised about $3.8 million to date. They're using that in the form of CAC, for example, spending about eight grand to acquire a $13,000 a month customer.
So about a nine month payback period, no matter which cohort you're looking at, small customer, big customer, et cetera. Team of 35 folks based in San Francisco, Seattle, and other remote locations founded in 2014. Chris, thanks for taking us to the top. This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn.
Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple of hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company. It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers.
With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Chris Rothstein. He's the CEO and co-founder of Groove, a sales and engagement platform.
Before Groove, he built, scaled and managed enterprise sales teams at Google. Chris, are you ready to take us to the top? Yes, I am. All right. You threw your hat in a very hot war. So tell us what Groove does and what's your revenue model? How do you make money? Yeah. So we are a sales engagement platform.
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Chapter 2: What is Groove and how does it generate revenue?
Got it. That's where the, that's where the misnomer was. I was like, okay, no, no, no, no. That would be very, very nice. Yeah. So just to be clear, you're doing about 450 grand a month today. That's up for about 200 grand a month a year ago. Yep. That's great. Okay. But by the way, still healthy. So you're still doing more revenue than what you've raised. Yes, exactly.
Talk to me what now when you look at kind of expansion revenue, usually companies at your stage, they have very clear pricing axes that allow them to drive expansion. And usually it's like a seat model, a feature model and a kind of data usage model. What are your axes? Yep. Yeah, we have kind of two. We grow seats, obviously, but then we have a modular element.
So you buy into our platform, platform fee, and then after that, you can add on different elements, a dialer, an unlimited SKU, SMS, and all these different things. So you add on these, and that's kind of how we upsell. We honestly haven't even focused on upsell. Most of it's been natural growth. Interesting. Okay.
So that flat though initial fee, that is like a base recurring fee and then you can add on top. Is that accurate? Yep. And all the add-ons are also reoccurring fees as well. It's just, you can enable other parts of the platform.
And basically, so if I have a hundred seats and I'm paying you for the base thing and each one is 20 bucks a seat, if I add on the cost gauge or it's like adds $5 per seat across the whole account. Exactly. That's a beautiful thing. If it happens, is no touch a lot of it? A lot of that is right now. We should be doing more, but we aren't because we're still a little resource-strapped. Yeah.
No, I totally get that. I, like you guys, have never been able to find a project management tool that I love. You know, my blog writers like one thing, my developers like one thing, my designers like a different thing, and it's so difficult to get them all on the same page.
So when I had Roy Mann, the CEO of monday.com on the show, I was pleasantly surprised at what he told me regarding his traction and his growth. And I said, maybe I should try this thing. So we now use monday.com. I started with the magazine. We've launched the Latka magazine, solely dedicated to SaaS founders. It's the only magazine focused on SaaS.
And my content writers and my designers worked beautifully together on that project using monday.com for project management. I then said, well, let me give it a real test. Let me see if I can use this for sprints and product cycles with my developers using it as well. And so we did that for Git Latka on our last release. It worked like a charm.
Never before have I been able to find one tool that my developers, my designers, and my writers, and myself can use and be happy with. You know, for me, I do most of my work waiting on the boarding deck about to get on a plane. I have to be able to access this stuff on my mobile device, and it works beautifully.
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Chapter 3: How many customers does Groove currently have?
And how many of those folks are sales? 10 in sales and then about 10, 12 in engineering and then, you know, basically admin others. Yeah. Yeah. And where's everyone? Everyone in San Fran? Yep. No, we now have a couple of people in San Diego and then four people or three people in Seattle. Okay.
Chapter 4: What funding has Groove raised and how is it utilized?
Very good. That's great. So growing any plans to raise? That's the big question right now. Yeah. It sounds like you're cashflow positive as you don't need to. We don't need to, we can definitely be in a nice spot, but at the same time, we're in a market, I'm sure you're aware, that's very competitive.
So at some point, it makes sense to just go a little faster yet, and we'll probably consider that. Yeah, if you do, this is obviously all hypothetical, if you do decide to raise at your current kind of economic structure and your current run rate, how much would you like to raise? That's the part I need to figure out. I would say it would have to be a reasonable amount for it to make sense.
Otherwise, we should just grow this way. So I'm not sure. Honestly, I would say it's going to be more than $5 million. More than $5 million. And when you say reasonable, you mean worth your time to do the whole funding process? Yes. No, just if we're going to go that route, we need to know we can make some great investments.
And those investments have to be, you know, big enough that we just don't make those with, you know, bringing on new customers and doing it naturally. So if we're going to do it, I think it makes sense to go one route or the other. I see what you're saying. And if you do raise five, I mean, you're well connected in value. You probably hear valuations thrown out all the time.
But if you do raise five at your kind of current levels, I mean, what kind of valuation do you think you could probably get? I have no idea. I haven't went out and had any conversations yet. I think we would just like to, if we did, we would just want an evaluation that would be the next milestone that we can march to that made sense for both sides.
That's how we've always built this business and we want to continue to. It's not fully bootstrapped, but it's also not this hyper you know, raising insane amounts of money. Yeah. So if someone, we have a lot of investors listen to the show, if one of them reach out to you after it goes live and says, hey, Chris, would you consider like a five on a 30 pre? I mean, is that an email you'd read?
I think it depends who they are, probably. Good answer. Assuming that's a great fit though, economically, is that the kind of ratio you're looking for? Yeah, probably. I think whatever the norm is for the market, you know, I would have to Well, you know, it's very different. If you're in San Fran, it's very different than if you're in Idaho, right? Yeah. By the way, I love Idaho.
So there's a lot of great bootstrap companies out there. Talk to me real quick before we wrap about product. So again, this space is very fragmented. I mean, is your model basically just keep having your engineers at, you know, create add-ons because you know, X percent of your base is going to upsell that and it grows your revenue that way. I mean, what does structure look like product wise?
Yeah, I think a lot of it is just continuing to build out where we're strong. We focus more on AEs where a lot of the space focus on the sales development area. So I think that is one thing different. There are a few new areas that I'm very excited about this whole account based area and so on that I think are really interesting. We're building some cool features.
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