SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1637 The Art of Shifting $60M in 1991 Revenue to Pure SaaS
17 Jan 2020
Chapter 1: What is the background of Advanced Solutions International?
Founder of Advanced Solutions International, really serving nonprofits. Currently, they've got over 500 customers that are pure play SaaS customers. They make about $5 million of the company's total revenue, of which is about $60 million. So a lot of it's coming from old kind of on-prem software and kind of SLA agreements, update license agreements. Founded in 1990.
The SaaS component is growing about 60% year over year. So 300 grand a month, about a year ago, again, now 5 million bucks in terms of AR. Cashflow positive, about 56 million raised. All that money going into the company, about 42 million, except 14 million going into secondary, early founders, early shareholders, et cetera, early investors, early on.
They've got about 375 people across many different locations, so remote, almost to 101% net revenue retention annually.
Chapter 2: How has ASI transitioned to a pure SaaS model?
That is their goal in the near future. Hello, everybody. My guest today is Bob Alves. He is the co-founder, chairman, and CEO of Advanced Solutions International, or ASI. He is a dynamic entrepreneurial leader who's grown the company from its beginnings in 1991 to become the leading and largest global supplier worldwide of software to nonprofit organizations.
With offices on three continents and more than 4,000 clients served, he's kept ASI in the forefront by consistently making innovative solution-oriented decisions on behalf of his clients. Bob, are you ready to take us to the top? I'm ready. All right. Nonprofits.
Chapter 3: What revenue does ASI generate from its SaaS offerings?
Walk us through what you guys do, and are you a pure play SaaS company? Well, we're trying to be. We started 27 years ago as a Windows solution, so we've been transitioning to a pure play SaaS over the last four or five years. Today, all of our new sales are a subscription in the cloud. We still have lots of clients that are moving to the cloud. Okay.
So if we, just to understand like how, where you're at in terms of the transition, if you look at total revenue over the past 12 months, what percent was coming strictly from SAS revenue? About 5 million, which is about our new sales number, you know, out of about 60 million. Okay. So, okay.
Chapter 4: What challenges does ASI face in moving clients to the cloud?
Got it. So what is that about a little under 10%, 9%? Right. And it probably would be worth telling you that The business model that we had starting from the beginning was a subscription model. People bought our software as a traditional license, but then had to pay a 25% of list price fee. So another 25 million is a subscription, even for people who are not in a pure place SaaS structure.
You said 25 million? Yeah. And these are like SLA contracts for on-prem installations or something? No, they're basically software update contracts. They're licenses. They get entitled to updates. Oh, I see. So it's a subscription to an update service. Got it. And you deliver these updates to the cloud? If they're on the cloud. We do have clients that are in other forms.
They're on-premise as well.
Chapter 5: How does ASI maintain high customer retention rates?
So we do have 500 or 600 clients in the cloud. And then, you know, more than a thousand that are out in the field on premise. Okay. So when you push on-prem updates, I mean, are you having to send field teams out to physically and manually? That's the old fashioned way. Yeah. Yeah. So you founded the company about the year I was born.
So, uh, this is just what you do when you started 27 years ago and then you move into SAS. Yeah. So just focusing on the SAS component today, and we'll include the on-prem updates. You've got maybe you got about 500 clients that are just playing for cloud solution that makes up 5 million bucks right now in ARR.
On top of that, in terms of recurring revenue, you've got another call at 2025 million, which are essentially licenses for updates. Right, correct. And we jumped right into the numbers, but let's step back for a second. What do you offer for nonprofits? What are you delivering for them? It's basically a business software solution to run the business of a nonprofit.
So it's an ERP, CRM, and website solution all in a package. Okay.
Chapter 6: What is the current team structure at ASI?
And 500 customers, if they make up 5 million bucks in AR, that means they're each paying about 800, 900 bucks a month for this tool. Does that sound about right? Well, actually, it might come out neatly that way, but the clients are all over the board in terms of sizes and also what they use. Yeah, yeah, I'm talking an average. Yeah.
Do you have a few amount of customers that make up more than 20% or 30% of the revenue, or are you mainly more focused on long tail? No, not really. No, it's widely dispersed. Yeah. So, in 1991, you found the company. Where was your head at that point? I mean, why get into selling to nonprofits? Yeah. Basically, that was the opportunity.
We were in the business of delivering solutions to nonprofits prior to starting the company. And then Windows was emerging. So we built a package, the first package for Windows. And it took the company really literally in three years all over the world. We were an Inc. 500 company the first five years in business.
Chapter 7: How has funding impacted ASI's growth?
And then we basically have just migrated everybody over the longer term to internet web-based solutions that started even around 2000. And then in the last five or six years, we've been, you know, basically getting people on a shared cloud and, you know, it's all obviously all internet based. And Bob, help me understand kind of the growth of your shared cloud business.
So if it's at 5 million bucks in AR today, where was it about a year ago? Well, back about three or four years ago, it was zero. And the $5 million that I just threw out to you is just this year's sales. So if you go back, there's recurring revenue in there as well. So it's probably closer to $10 million over the last five years.
And I'm just talking about monthly recurring revenue that is pure play SaaS. If you're currently at a $5 million run rate, that means about $400 or $415 grand a month is what you're doing on the cloud product. Is that accurate? Yeah, that sounds right. Okay. And I'm just curious. So if you're at four kind of 10 in thousand today a month, where were you a year ago just for the SAS platform?
Our SAS business is growing about 60%. Okay. Okay. Got it. Very good.
Chapter 8: What are Bob Alves' final thoughts on business and life lessons?
So you were at maybe a call. Would that be about 300 grand about a year ago? Something like that. That's great. And what's the biggest challenge in, in flipping someone from an on-prem kind of license model to a, in the cloud kind of pure play SAS model. Yeah. Well, our solution has a lot of breadth and depth. So people are doing a lot of things.
And so it's something that they just don't snap their fingers and do. They plan. So it's really just getting people to plan that move. It's not that hard. It's actually getting easier and easier. More and more people want the benefits of the cloud. They mainly want automatic updates. And... it's just getting people to plan for that and to go through a transition.
It's, you know, it's like moving to a new system. Those are, these are bigger, more complicated mission critical systems. So they have to move their whole employee base. And it's just a question of getting them to plan. It's a, you know, it's. What is, help me understand kind of what the team looks like today. How many people are on the team? We have 375 employees roughly.
And where's everyone based? All over the place. We've got three offices in the U.S., Austin, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C. Then offices in Toronto, London, and Melbourne, Australia. Okay, so 375 folks spread out, a lot of remote there. And of those 375, how many of them are focused on kind of marketing, onboarding, kind of sales and support functions? I'm sorry, you broke up.
Sure, of the 375, how many are focused on kind of sales and marketing? Sales and marketing? Oh, it's probably about a hundred. Okay. A hundred. And then what are the rest? Engineers and support or? Engineers, support, back office, HR, accounting, that sort of thing. Professional, we do have some professional services. Okay.
And, and, you know, churn is critical in any kind of software business, right? What is your churn today and how do you make sure to keep it low? Well, we've had historically a 95% retention rate. We've had that historically. That's mainly because the systems, as I said, are pervasive. They have a lot of breadth and depth. It's not easy to move off once they're on.
So we have a very high retention rate. Okay. So about 5% revenue churn per year? You retained 95? I said pro plus 95. So it's probably more like 2% revenue churn. Okay. And do you- I can tell you this year we have a goal to have a positive revenue churn, 101% revenue churn, which you factor the whole business together. Yeah. I'm not quite sure what that means.
Do you mean net negative revenue churn? Or do you mean over 100% retention, meaning your expansion revenue makes up any churned revenue? It's a complicated formula. So it's probably better not to try to do it on this call. Okay. I just mean that we have high retention rates and we are in a position this year where we actually have a goal for our churn to be over 100%. Okay.
But you understand that doesn't... I don't mean just losses. I mean, you know, add-ons to clients minus losses. Yeah, but Bob, sorry. I'm going to repeat back what you just said. You just said your goal is to have over 100% churn. That doesn't make any sense. No, no. I'm sorry. Negative 1% churn. 101% positive number.
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