SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
$20k Upwork Side Gig to $200k ARR SaaS Project Editing Real Estate Photos
27 May 2021
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Got it. A thousand floor plans at 10 bucks a pop is 10 grand a month in revenue, plus 5,000 photos at a dollar each. That's another five grand. So you're doing about $15,000 a month in revenue? Yeah. And then plus the VA side of things, because we do have supply them with virtual assistant and then the 3D renders and things like that. And 3D virtual tours, VR tours that we do also the editing.
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After three heartbreaking business failures in his 20s in the construction and outsourcing industry, he founded Revastaff.com in 2018, and now things are growing nicely. OJ, you ready to take us to the top? Yeah, sure. Well, thank you so much for, for inviting me on your show, Nate. So what is, what is Revistap and how are you guys making money? Yeah, so Revasab is a two-sided marketplace.
We have photographers in the platform and we supply them with the post-production staff like editors and floor plan artists and CGI artists and things like that. And mostly these are people from the Philippines, Vietnam, and India. And most of these real estate photographers are in the U.S.,
So we have about 20 photographers in the platform and about 30-ish editor staff on the editor side and the drafter side, things like that. So one side of the marketplace are the photographers and editors. Who is on the other side of the marketplace? Who's hiring them? The other side of the market is the US side real estate photographers.
On the other side of the market is the editors from the Philippines, Vietnam, and India. And then we just match the requirement of these editors, whether it's going to be photo editing in Photoshop or grafting floor plans. And the end user is actually the real estate agent who would market all these properties.
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Chapter 2: What is Revastaff and how does it generate revenue?
All via Upwork. No, no, no. All organic, like cold calling, cold email, Facebook groups. Let me cut you off, but I just want to get the story here. So you launched in 2018 on Upwork. You did 20 grand in sales. You didn't saw an opportunity. You moved yourself off Upwork, launched Revit staff, and you did approximately 40K in 2019 and 120 grand in 2020. That's right. I see.
What do you think you'll do here in 2021? We project about $250,000, but then with a new client coming in, as I said, we triple our headcount overnight. How many are on the team today? What's that again? What's headcount today? We have about 30 freelancers on our platform. How many are full-time employees building RobotSouth? Everything is contractor, but about 20 of them are working full-time.
But they are considered as contractor, not as full-time employees. Okay. How many of the 20 are engineers? We have one CTO and one guy helping him out. So just a couple. Okay. So what are the team people on the team doing if they're not engineering? They're the ones doing the work, Photoshop and doing- No, no, no. Don't include the marketplace.
That'd be like Uber calling all their drivers employees, which is not the case. I'm just curious, how many people are on your team building Reva stuff? Not the editors, not the photographers. Right, right, right. Gotcha.
Chapter 3: How does the two-sided marketplace model work for Revastaff?
So we have one CTO and then one guy helping him out, like a project manager kind of thing. And then a couple of VAs. So like four people. So four. Okay, got it. That's great. And have you bootstrapped this or raised? Yeah, we've been bootstrapping. It's very hard to raise in the Philippines, man. So being on your show, hopefully you will be able to get some American dollars coming over here.
Why do you want to raise capital? Well, the market is so huge. I mean, we're just serving about 2,000 realtors and there's about 2 million realtors in the U.S. And we can leverage, obviously, what we have here in the Philippines because our people are doing full-time work and they are getting paid
American dollars and it's still like below minimum wage US, but here it's like three times the minimum wage here. So it's uplifting their quality of life. And we saw this opportunity that we've been able to scale this to many to many Filipinos, Vietnamese, and people from India who can just go to the platform and have a full-time career just making photos and editing photos all day long.
And they would be able to have quality of life working from home and things like that. And during the pandemic, obviously, we have people just saying, yeah, we are lifesavers. No, we got laid off from our companies. And then we saw this platform, and now we were able to take care of our families and things like that.
So given that opportunity, I would be good because we're already earning $200,000. K U S and living in the Philippines. That's like, you know, we're living like Kings, right. But and living by the beach and things like that. But seeing this opportunity that this can really scale with also working with photographers.
I don't mean to cut you off, but again, I want to get a lot in, in a very short amount of time. So, so if you did, like, if you had another $50,000 today, where would you spend it? Marketing. What specifically? Are you talking ads or what? Yeah, yeah, ads and salespeople. So right now, it's just me. Just me, like, cold calling, closing deals.
So maybe if I would be able to duplicate myself, like, three OJs, that would, you know. What would that cost you in the Philippines to hire another OJ? I would start with probably just $1,000 a month for somebody to do all those things that I can do. Yeah, I would look at doing this deal, but let me ask you a question before I do this.
If someone wrote you a $50,000 check, how much equity would you be willing to give them? We did a Shark Tank show here in the Philippines, and we asked for $100K for 10%. Okay, so value in business at a million bucks, which seems fair. It's about 4X revenue currently. Now, did you do a deal there or no? No, no, because they wanted more and it's not like a startup.
So that's why the ecosystem here in the Philippines is not mature enough that they would want more equity on their side. And the deal was kind of like getting us an in-house team of the real estate company, something like that. So we did the deal. OJ, I'm building FounderPath. We're helping founders. That's what I want to talk to you about, that FounderPath.
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Chapter 4: What pricing structure does Revastaff use for its services?
But we want to tell them that, no, you could actually get more work and just outsource editing. So if they are doing like one or two house a day and they could get like four or five and get rid of all the back end stuff and have Revit staff take care of that for them. How many of the 20 photographers put at least one picture or floor plan through you each month for the past six months?
In other words, is it sticky? Do they keep using you? Yeah, yeah. Every time that the photographer would use us, they would use us at first. They would use us for floor plans because they want to edit their own photos. My question is, though, is it sticky? Are they coming back every month and giving you new floor plans and new photos? Yeah, for sure, for sure.
So we just started with, as you said, one photographer, then five, then 10, then right now it's about 20. Amazing. Okay, you're building something special, man. Let's wrap up here with the famous five. Number one, favorite business book? I would go old school, E-Myth. Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? Right now it's going to be Elon Musk.
Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building Revistaff? Uh, rabbitstuff.com. Besides your own? Uh, Dropbox. Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? Uh, seven to eight. And what's your situation? Married, single, kids? Uh, wife, two kids. Very cool. And how old are you? I'm 35. 35. Last question. What's something you wish you knew when you were 20?
I was 20 that everything will be okay. Guys, he started on Upwork, did $20,000 in revenue in 2018, helping real estate agents edit their floor plans and their pictures. He then built his own platform, Revastaff.com, did $120,000 in 2020, on track to $250,000 this year in 2021. Has about 20 photographers that are spending on average $75 per month on the platform, so $15,000 in MRR.
Asked for $100,000 for 10% of the business, ultimately turned down. We'll see if we can get a deal done on Founder Path. OJ, thanks for taking us to the top. Thanks, Ethan. Appreciate it.
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